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cyberdude611 -> Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 3:34:26 PM)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/20/saudi.rape.victim/index.html




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 3:39:58 PM)

Can't be...

Islam is the Religion of Peace that loves, protects and cherishes their women. This must be Zionist,  Zionist_Hindu, American or Zionist-Hindu-American lies!!!!!




Politesub53 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 3:56:38 PM)

Sad how the US and UK governments seem to be keeping quiet about this. I am sure if it had happened in Iran they would have passed comment.




Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 3:56:44 PM)



yah its almost as civil as buddism, the crusades and the inquisition.




Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 3:58:07 PM)



now if they were living in the us and uk they would discover that people do not need to rape anyone here they do it for fun :)







Mercnbeth -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:01:52 PM)

Didn't notice that the CNN version of the story didn't include the reason for the sentence. This version from Reuters provides the reasoning for the sentence:

quote:

It blamed the woman for being alone with an unrelated man.
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2057524920071120?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true 


In a flashback to the movie 'Midnight Express' when the court of appeals reviewed the case they raised the sentence from 90 to 200 lashes. That averages to a little over 28 lashes per man who raped her. She also gets 6 months in a Saudi prison which she didn't get before. I'm sure the Saudi prison guards will treat and massage her wounds.

However there is some good news. Her lawyer was disbarred; "Al-Lahim told CNN his law license was revoked last week by a judge because he spoke to the Saudi-controlled media about the case. Al-Lahim told CNN his law license was revoked last week by a judge because he spoke to the Saudi-controlled media about the case." One less lawyer in the world...its a start.




cyberdude611 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:03:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Sad how the US and UK governments seem to be keeping quiet about this. I am sure if it had happened in Iran they would have passed comment.


Money...

The Saudis have hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars invested in the west. And the Saudis are also protecting the US dollar. So the US can't say anything about this case....




Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:06:24 PM)

it seems they all got something out of it.

she orignally had 90 then upped to 200 for also speaking to the media.  The article and the vid dont exactly agree.  she was inviolation of law as well the perps.  Now if we could just get one less saudi gov down the tubes!




Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:07:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Money...

The Saudis have hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars invested in the west. And the Saudis are also protecting the US dollar. So the US can't say anything about this case....


not so sure how long that party is going to last. it seems the saudis are getting nervous about their money.




Politesub53 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:09:15 PM)

I know Cyberdude..... there was a tv documentary/play here years ago called death of a princess, about a girl who was beheaded after having an affair ( as i recall ) the repercussions trade wise were incredibile. My thoughts are that money should not dictate a countries morals.




ameha21 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:21:06 PM)

multiple crimes were committed here according to islamic law....the men that raped her violated the HUSBAND's rights to his wife...and she violated her husband's right to her as well. she inticed the men into raping her. that's her crime. it's bullshit...but every socieity has bullshit laws. 




Divina -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:23:34 PM)

This is clearly a hijack:

When women start questioning their traditional gender roles to the extent that they may even relinquish them, actively fighting for equal status until they GET it, especially in the Middle East or third World Countries, there will be a readjustment of power dynamic that will dramatically change the world, socially -as expected- but most importantly, financially and politically.
This is the next revolution, of the league of great revolutions like Industrial Revolution or the Information Revolution,  waiting to take place.




Politesub53 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:34:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Divina

This is clearly a hijack:

When women start questioning their traditional gender roles to the extent that they may even relinquish them, actively fighting for equal status until they GET it, especially in the Middle East or third World Countries, there will be a readjustment of power dynamic that will dramatically change the world, socially -as expected- but most importantly, financially and politically.
This is the next revolution, of the league of great revolutions like Industrial Revolution or the Information Revolution,  waiting to take place.


Its not like here in the west where women can, thankfully, speak out. How would you suggest they argue against the regimes without being imprisoned or worse, killed ?




ameha21 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:46:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I know Cyberdude..... there was a tv documentary/play here years ago called death of a princess, about a girl who was beheaded after having an affair ( as i recall ) the repercussions trade wise were incredibile. My thoughts are that money should not dictate a countries morals.




i've seen that documentary too. she was a princess that had an affair with a commoner. her execution was more for choosing a commoner than the affair itself.




cyberdude611 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:52:08 PM)

I've said it many time before but Islam needs to go through a reformation and the mid-east badly needs a renaissance. That religion and culture is stuck in the dark ages. If you look at Europe during the dark ages....it really wasnt all that much different than the mid-east is today. But during the middle ages Europe had a long line of philosophers, scientists, and big thinkers that helped advance the society. When you look at the mid-east....you dont see any philosophy or thinking. They can't even handle democracy without blowing each other up.




Sanity -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:57:35 PM)

Maybe once they start getting connected to the Internet they'll mentally modernize, and grow up some. Afghanistan and Iraq can connect now, who does that leave out...




Kaiynasha -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 4:59:27 PM)

Shame that women are treated this way. I find nothing about this worth any shred of comedy.




cyberdude611 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 5:25:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Maybe once they start getting connected to the Internet they'll mentally modernize, and grow up some. Afghanistan and Iraq can connect now, who does that leave out...


Well to be fair there are some areas that have broken free from the fundamentalism. Some say that Dubai is the Las Vegas of the mid-east. Some areas of Kuwait are more modern. There is an area in northern Iran where the women wear western clothes (although those groups are not Iranian, they are Azeri or Turkic ethnic groups who Iran doesnt really like but are afraid to do anything about them). Conditions in Afghanistan have improved since the Taliban was thrown out. There are still a lot of problems but women arn't being beaten in the streets for showing their ankle.

So there are some areas where conditions are improving. But this is a cultural issue. And that's not possible for us to change. The people need to change on their own and make the decision to move forward and push the radicals out of the mainstream.




farglebargle -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 5:47:33 PM)

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I've said it many time before but Islam needs to go through a reformation


I'd suggest that Islam is designed to be the most "Reformation Proof" religion around. Hell, they've been fighting over the freaking succession problems 1300 years ago!

ONCE you get that figured out, then MAYBE it's unified enough for a Reformation. But I ain't buying it.

This is a perfect example why a "Western Democracy" is incompatible with any Islamic State. The *entire notion* of "All people are created equal" is excluded from their worldview.

It just ain't going to happen. And the shortsighted hope that it will, is an example of the sloppy thinking which pervades the issue.




Divina -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 6:18:51 PM)

 In answer to Politesub53

Of course it's not. We are not in disagreement. But it is more than speaking out. The issue is raised firstly on a cultural level. There are women of African tribes for example, that are beginning to adopt male rituals, thus claiming social standing they didn't previously have. Once tradition is questioned, people's mentalities will begin to change, and the confrontations with all kinds of authorities will be less sharp. The social conditions will be ripe for changes in the legal system or vice versa. It is a process where each variable affects while affected.
To return to your point, in the west, the women can indeed speak up...but there is a lot of distance to be covered. I don't want to start issues over abortion, or priesthood for example, I simply want to point out that seeming freedom of  expression is not all it takes. Mentalities have not quite changed yet...even in the west. We are in the beginning of the process. I will give you a hint of what I am talking about in the words of Adrienne Rich (of Woman Born, 1986):

"The masculine imagination has had to divide women, to see us, and force us to see ourselves as polarised into good or evil, fertile or barren, pure or impure. The asexual Victorian angel-wife and the Victorian prostitute were institutions created by this double thinking which had everything to do with the male's subjective experience of women...The social institutions and prescriptions for behavior created by men have not necessarily accounted for the real lives of women...The experience of maternity and the experience of sexuality have both been chanelled to serve male interests. Behavior which threatens the institutions, such as illegitimacy, abortion, lesbianism is considered deviant or criminal. Institutional motherhood revives and renews all other institutions.... Physical motherhood is merely one dimension of our being. The fear and hatred of our bodies has often crippled our brains. We must convert our physicality into both knowledge and power. I am really asking whether women cannot begin, at last, to think through the body, to connect what has been so cruelly disorganised...The repossesion by women of their bodies will bring far more essential change to human society...we need to imagine a world in which every woman is the presiding genius of her own body. In such a world women will truly create new life, bringing forth not only children, (if and as we choose), but the visions, and the thinking necessary to sustain, console, and alter human existence- a new relationship to the universe. Sexuality, politics, intelligence, power, motherhood, work, community, intimacy will develop new meanings; thinking itself will be transformed.
This is where we have to begin."

When women become aware of their bodies and take full control of them...this is the key concept...(In both Saudi Arabia for instance where the victim's body suffers out of her control, or in the west, where it is still unthinkable for some to question the practices of  institutional motherhood)  
...but first they have to realise it is their right to do so.




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