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Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 11:15:49 PM)
there is no doubt the us has enemies, however they range all the way from the oil pumps to the federal gov.

Zensee -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 11:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: I've said it many time before but Islam needs to go through a reformation I'd suggest that Islam is designed to be the most "Reformation Proof" religion around. Hell, they've been fighting over the freaking succession problems 1300 years ago! ONCE you get that figured out, then MAYBE it's unified enough for a Reformation. But I ain't buying it. This is a perfect example why a "Western Democracy" is incompatible with any Islamic State. The entire notion of "All people are created equal" is excluded from their worldview. It just ain't going to happen. And the shortsighted hope that it will, is an example of the sloppy thinking which pervades the issue. Catholics and Protestants in Britain were still murdering each other over the Reformation right up until a decade or so ago. Even after World War Two the big, national religions were still directing social policy in many western countries. Hardly a lofty perch to sneer down from. By rights, Islam has another seven hundred years of adolesence to go before anyone insists it grow up and act its age. quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Maybe once they start getting connected to the Internet they'll mentally modernize, and grow up some. Afghanistan and Iraq can connect now, who does that leave out... I think you have hit on an important ingredient. Information and education in general but the internet as a specific and effective tool. Too bad all the resources poured into Iraq hadn't been used to prepare the next generations of Afghanis for life in the modern world. Flood the country with cheap laptops and high-speed data pipes. I agree that people are not necessarily trapped by their present habits of thinking and democracy is not a centuries distant pipe dream for the Middle East. Z.

popeye1250 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 11:53:39 PM)
Zensee, a decade ago? They're still killing each other in Northern Ireland! They killed a Police Officer two weeks ago there.

Zensee -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/20/2007 11:55:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Zensee, a decade ago? They're still killing each other in Northern Ireland! They killed a Police Officer two weeks ago there. Oh. I stand corrected. Thank you, Popeye. Sometimes I let my optimism intrude. Z.

popeye1250 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 12:09:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Zensee, a decade ago? They're still killing each other in Northern Ireland! They killed a Police Officer two weeks ago there. Oh. I stand corrected. Thank you, Popeye. Sometimes I let my optimism intrude. Z. I try to be optimistic too. The thing is unless you go online to some Irish sites you don't really hear about it in the U.S. or Canada. It's just never stopped over there, I don't know why people think it has, perhaps it's overshadowed by Iraq and politics here. On the Irish sites I tell them, "but, but, this can't be happening! Clinton said he made peace over in N.I.!"

NorthernGent -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 12:20:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I try to be optimistic too. The thing is unless you go online to some Irish sites you don't really hear about it in the U.S. or Canada. It's just never stopped over there, I don't know why people think it has, perhaps it's overshadowed by Iraq and politics here. On the Irish sites I tell them, "but, but, this can't be happening! Clinton said he made peace over in N.I.!" Both catholic and protestant paramilitaries ceased to be militant political forces decades ago; they're drugs and guns gangs. In terms of the OP, although I don't think anyone has accurately reflected the content of the article, it's obscene, but the same old "backward Islam" generalisation doesn't help.

bryhtwulf -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 12:21:22 AM)
I am going to have to come to the defense of Islam. As most of you know, I am not a Muslim, I am a Penteacostal Christian. But this isn't Islam, it's just people who use it's name for their own agenda. Islam is a decent faith that just happens to have some not-so decent people in it. But so did Christianity during the various crusades. it was common practice to kill as many jews in Europe as possible before heading to the middle-east. There are evil Jews as well. During the Shoah (Holocaust) there were Judenrat, men who decided who stayed in the Ghettos and who went to the camps. In the camps there were Kapos, Jews who aided the nazis in torture, beatings, even killings. All religions have their jerks, it's not the fault of the religion itself.

popeye1250 -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 12:28:08 AM)
Well the Saudi's aren't alone! This just came over Yahoo News about Palestine! http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071120/wl_csm/ohonor NG, And I suppose that those guys who dragged that guy out of a Pub last year and beat him to death are "only" gunmen.

bryhtwulf -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 12:31:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Well the Saudi's aren't alone! This just came over Yahoo News about Palestine! http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071120/wl_csm/ohonor NG, And I suppose that those guys who dragged that guy out of a Pub last year and beat him to death are "only" gunmen. "Palestine" is a lost cause. They don't even know what they want anymore. I'm sorry, but when you elect a known terrorist group to lead you, what does it say about your overall character? As for Ulster (NI), I have been there twice to visit family. Belfast was dank and scary where I was (Greater Shankill), nothing but drugs, loyalists, whores, and drunks. Portadown, Co Armagh was lovely though.

Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 12:46:37 AM)
quote: , quote: ORIGINAL: bryhtwulf quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Well the Saudi's aren't alone! This just came over Yahoo News about Palestine! http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071120/wl_csm/ohonor NG, And I suppose that those guys who dragged that guy out of a Pub last year and beat him to death are "only" gunmen. "Palestine" is a lost cause. They don't even know what they want anymore. I'm sorry, but when you elect a known terrorist group to lead you, what does it say about your overall character? As for Ulster (NI), I have been there twice to visit family. Belfast was dank and scary where I was (Greater Shankill), nothing but drugs, loyalists, whores, and drunks. Portadown, Co Armagh was lovely though. How do you expect people to respond when cordon off part of your land to suipport religious discrimination and favoritism?

Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 1:04:25 AM)
check out our allies! http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

bryhtwulf -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 1:20:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: , quote: ORIGINAL: bryhtwulf quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Well the Saudi's aren't alone! This just came over Yahoo News about Palestine! http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071120/wl_csm/ohonor NG, And I suppose that those guys who dragged that guy out of a Pub last year and beat him to death are "only" gunmen. "Palestine" is a lost cause. They don't even know what they want anymore. I'm sorry, but when you elect a known terrorist group to lead you, what does it say about your overall character? As for Ulster (NI), I have been there twice to visit family. Belfast was dank and scary where I was (Greater Shankill), nothing but drugs, loyalists, whores, and drunks. Portadown, Co Armagh was lovely though. How do you expect people to respond when cordon off part of your land to suipport religious discrimination and favoritism? Are you talking about palestine or Northern Ireland?

Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 1:54:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bryhtwulf quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne How do you expect people to respond when cordon off part of your land to suipport religious discrimination and favoritism? Are you talking about palestine or Northern Ireland? Isreal vs Arab

beeble -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 1:58:39 AM)
quote: popeye1250: Zensee, a decade ago? They're still killing each other in Northern Ireland! They killed a Police Officer two weeks ago there. The closest I can find is a pair of non-fatal shootings of off-duty police officers in early November. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aeoGyV0dyZZ0&refer=uk http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/NorthernIrelandpolicevowtofindgunmen/tabid/209/articleID/39241/cat/41/Default.aspx There's still occasional sectarian violence in Northern Ireland but it's way down from its peak. The paramilitary organizations are now involved mainly in organized crime rather than killing each other and the police. The second of the articles above says that these are the first shootings of policemen in Northern Ireland in six years. Things are much better than they were. In the last five years, there have been fewer than forty deaths. Most people in Northern Ireland are living ordinary lives, these days: it's fair to call the situation `peace'. (To put things in perspective, about 3,500 people died in thirty years of violence, out of a population of about 1.7 million. That's a death rate of 0.068 per thousand population per year. The murder rate in the USA is approximately 0.048 per thousand per year. The Northern Ireland death rate I've calculateded is slightly invalid because not all of the victims of the violence were in Northern Ireland itself: 143 of the deaths were outside Ulster.)

beeble -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 2:02:08 AM)
quote: NorthernGent wrote: Both catholic and protestant paramilitaries ceased to be militant political forces decades ago; they're drugs and guns gangs. Well, hardly `decades ago'. The peace agreement was only signed in April 1998. But, yes, these days, they're mainly involved in run-of-the-mill organized crime.

bryhtwulf -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 2:02:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: bryhtwulf quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne How do you expect people to respond when cordon off part of your land to suipport religious discrimination and favoritism? Are you talking about palestine or Northern Ireland? Isreal vs Arab I don't sympatize with the palestinians much. People who cheer on 9/11 don't win favor in my book. However, Israel has done some bad things, blowing up a power plant is one of them. However, that land has, and will, belong to the Jews. That is their land. And don't give me that stolen land stuff. israel rightfully won it in a series of wars. if the arabs wanted it that badly they could do this novel concept called win a war. They had Israel BADLY outnumbered and outgunned in 1948. Guess the Jews just wanted it more. Also, Americans have no room to talk. This land belonged to the natives. We took it, either through conquest, or, more appropriately, through money. Guess we just wanted it more. I sympathize with Ameican Indians though.

Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 2:09:52 AM)
Well there you go, so if the russia took over new jersey and gave it to the krishnas and then armed them with nukes thats all fine and ok...

bryhtwulf -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 2:12:17 AM)
Well there you go, so if the russia took over new jersey and gave it to the krishnas and then armed them with nukes thats all fine and ok... Sorry, but, yeah. We should have won the war. Russia just must have wanted it more. I see it in black and white. the arabs have no real right to complain. They could have crushed the Jews in 1948, but couldn't. So either Jews are the greatest warriors ever, or Arabs are just terrible soldiers.

Real0ne -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 2:42:22 AM)
or they have nukes and f16's and the arabs do not

Sinergy -> RE: Saudi rape victim gets 200 lashes.... (11/21/2007 6:02:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Divina This is clearly a hijack: When women start questioning their traditional gender roles to the extent that they may even relinquish them, actively fighting for equal status until they GET it, especially in the Middle East or third World Countries, there will be a readjustment of power dynamic that will dramatically change the world, socially -as expected- but most importantly, financially and politically. This is the next revolution, of the league of great revolutions like Industrial Revolution or the Information Revolution, waiting to take place. This may come sooner than later since the human species is well on it's way to having a surplus population of men. As the value of women grows, and their ability to provide for themselves, thrive, inseminating their children through parthenogenisis or artificial insemination, and then raising children without needing a man, men will become irrelevant to the survival of the human species I can only imagine that it is only a matter of time before archaic laws and religious concepts making women into second class citizens will be abandoned. Sinergy p.s. This assumes that patriarchal cultures do not destroy the environment we live in, killing people off, and ushering in the overlordship of the earth to cockroaches or octopi.

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