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Time to grow up, people, and stop blaming goods will for our wars, poverty, cultural injustice, genocide, and the intrawebs destabilising influance on marriages in america.

It could easily be said that this is your own belief system, your own religion against religion. Making you as crazy as the rest of us.

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Time to grow up, people, and stop blaming goods will for our wars, poverty, cultural injustice, genocide, and the intrawebs destabilising influance on marriages in america.

It could easily be said that this is your own belief system, your own religion against religion. Making you as crazy as the rest of us.

Am I the only one who's noticed that the atheists on CM seem to be way more dogmatic and evangelical that the religious folk?

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M. Madrabbit-
 
<blink> I may be a bit rusty, but Kirkgraad<sp> is where I think of as where existentialism began, and think he would have been a truly rational thinker if he'd lived long enough to fully develop his work...
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

I was talking about his belief that irrationality (the spiritual void or the spiritual need) is a normal part of the human mind.

I normally enjoy being on the other end of this discussion as far as the validity of Christanity, but I think proclaiming all irrational beliefs as a form of mental illness to be a very gross, unfair, untrue, and insulting statement.

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God is Good, it creates a belief that one is accountable to one with more power than oneself.

Only crazies use it as an excuse to do evil things. Usually by using scripture twisting to justify it. After all, you can take almost anything out of context, and make it say something else-until someone who knows the whole story calls bullshit on it.

Now waitaminnit!
 
You can't say it's god's credit when people are good, but not his fault when they are bad. but you just did!

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Time to grow up, people, and stop blaming goods will for our wars, poverty, cultural injustice, genocide, and the intrawebs destabilising influance on marriages in america.

It could easily be said that this is your own belief system, your own religion against religion. Making you as crazy as the rest of us.

Am I the only one who's noticed that the atheists on CM seem to be way more dogmatic and evangelical that the religious folk?

Atheism is a religion all it's own-they worship denial.

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God is Good, it creates a belief that one is accountable to one with more power than oneself.

Only crazies use it as an excuse to do evil things. Usually by using scripture twisting to justify it. After all, you can take almost anything out of context, and make it say something else-until someone who knows the whole story calls bullshit on it.

Now waitaminnit!
 
You can't say it's god's credit when people are good, but not his fault when they are bad. but you just did!

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God is Good, it creates a belief that one is accountable to one with more power than oneself.

Only crazies use it as an excuse to do evil things. Usually by using scripture twisting to justify it. After all, you can take almost anything out of context, and make it say something else-until someone who knows the whole story calls bullshit on it.

Now waitaminnit!
 
You can't say it's god's credit when people are good, but not his fault when they are bad. but you just did!

Actually that depends entirely on what religion you are talking about. This thread is not specifically about Christianity after all. Some religions have very specifically assigned deities for good and evil

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 Do you think it is possible for someone to have 'faith' in God (or your deity or religion of choice) and live a BDSM lifestyle at the same time?If so how do you reconcile the two ?
I can`t wait to hear what folks say to this one .

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Actually that depends entirely on what religion you are talking about. This thread is not specifically about Christianity after all. Some religions have very specifically assigned deities for good and evil

Dear AS-
 
I almost wrote 'good answer' to that, but if you think about it, it's even crazier! <g>.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

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I agree. but it's also unfair that I am stuck on this planet with a bunch of crazies who will kill us all, and to expect me to say "oh gee, God wants your crusade/jihad? well, I guess I must respect your craziness!"

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And re Kierkegaard, I do thiink that, had he lived, he might well have concluded that we should try to grow beyond the sprirtual need...
 

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Actually that depends entirely on what religion you are talking about. This thread is not specifically about Christianity after all. Some religions have very specifically assigned deities for good and evil

Dear AS-
 
I almost wrote 'good answer' to that, but if you think about it, it's even crazier! <g>.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

Not really. It makes a great deal of sense for there to be conflicting forces in the world. We as humans are often conflicted with our desires. The desire to please oneself vs. the desire to please others, the desire for what will make us happy now vs. what will make us happy later and so on.

Because of the view I take on it, that God can neither be proven to exist or not exist, either is equally insane or equally sane.

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Dear AS-
 
Yes really- there's holes in the one god theory, so we're going to patch them up with more gods of different types? What are we, Mircosoft?
 
But Basing not just your life, but expecting others to base their life on something you can't prove is crazy. And I have never seen a religion that does not use concepts like good and evil to influcance the behavior of other people, and in fact, any religion that doesn't make conversion an impreitive is deeply flawed.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

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I agree. but it's also unfair that I am stuck on this planet with a bunch of crazies who will kill us all, and to expect me to say "oh gee, God wants your crusade/jihad? well, I guess I must respect your craziness!"

 

Well, I disagree, because logically, their actions are disrespectful and intolerant of other people and their beliefs. Respect and tolerance have to go both ways.

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And re Kierkegaard, I do thiink that, had he lived, he might well have concluded that we should try to grow beyond the sprirtual need...
 

Well, given his factual history, I don't think he ever achieved the level of being firmly grounded before God that he sought. He seemed to live in constant struggle which led him to write the books under pseudonym

Personally, I used to try to outgrow that part of me and block it out, but as I learn more and grow, I find myself going back to it, little bit by little bit.

I would gladly discuss and argue about the existence of the entity of God, but as far as the belief in God, I think its something that is crucial to the human psyche. I think people find someway to fill that part with some kind of conception of God in one way or another. Whether its being a football fanatic, devoting one's life to following a team, worshiping the dollar, or self idolization. Thats just my own little theory though.

If you REALLY go though the nihilistic route, you could say that your reliance on rational thinking and logic are your own personal faith.

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I agree. but it's also unfair that I am stuck on this planet with a bunch of crazies who will kill us all, and to expect me to say "oh gee, God wants your crusade/jihad? well, I guess I must respect your craziness!"

 

Well, I disagree, because logically, their actions are disrespectful and intolerant of other people and their beliefs. Respect and tolerance have to go both ways.

 

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the probelm is that if you support their right to belief, you must also tolerate their right to follow those beliefs, including the one that says the the heatherns must be converted becuase it's the will of god. Tolerance in a losing game in this- it means you have to respect their attempts to convert or kill or oppress you, becuase they have a right to their beliefs.

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Time to grow up, people, and stop blaming goods will for our wars, poverty, cultural injustice, genocide, and the intrawebs destabilising influance on marriages in america.

It could easily be said that this is your own belief system, your own religion against religion. Making you as crazy as the rest of us.

Am I the only one who's noticed that the atheists on CM seem to be way more dogmatic and evangelical that the religious folk?

Atheism is a religion all it's own-they worship denial.

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Judiasm does not make conversion an impertive at all. In fact, potential converts are discouraged because Jews believe there is no need to convert. A person's own faith, whatever it is, will get them to heaven as long as they are good people.

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Dear AS-
 
See, I would condem the Aztecs- I think it is wrong to kill people because god told you to. In the case of the Aztecs, I would cut a little slack for the time period, but these weren't cavepeople- they had long distance communication, division of labor, a leisure class- a fairly advanced cultute, wheel or no wheel. But they killed people- lots of people- for god. I do condemn that.
 
Any sort of magical thinking- be it Quezelquotil <sp?> or leylines or the fairies at the bottom of the garden, or 'god wants me to submit to my master' is something I have to condemn, as a rational human being...
 
Stay Warm,
Lawrence

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Sir-
 
the probelm is that if you support their right to belief, you must also tolerate their right to follow those beliefs, including the one that says the the heatherns must be converted becuase it's the will of god. Tolerance in a losing game in this- it means you have to respect their attempts to convert or kill or oppress you, becuase they have a right to their beliefs.

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Judiasm does not make conversion an impertive at all. In fact, potential converts are discouraged because Jews believe there is no need to convert. A person's own faith, whatever it is, will get them to heaven as long as they are good people.

Dear AS-
 
not quite- actually, zion (heaven) will only be attained by the chosen of God- that is, those who's mother's were jewish, and have lived in theirs lives by the law of god- you know, killing homos, stoning the impious, killing the children of your enemies.
 
as I said above, any religion that isn't shoving itself down your throat is flawed- becuase if you know what god wants, you have to share it with others- keeping it to youself would be wrong, wouldn't it?
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence