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as I said above, any religion that isn't shoving itself down your throat is flawed- becuase if you know what god wants, you have to share it with others- keeping it to youself would be wrong, wouldn't it?
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

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Judiasm does not make conversion an impertive at all. In fact, potential converts are discouraged because Jews believe there is no need to convert. A person's own faith, whatever it is, will get them to heaven as long as they are good people.

Dear AS-
 
not quite- actually, zion (heaven) will only be attained by the chosen of God- that is, those who's mother's were jewish, and have lived in theirs lives by the law of god- you know, killing homos, stoning the impious, killing the children of your enemies.
 
as I said above, any religion that isn't shoving itself down your throat is flawed- becuase if you know what god wants, you have to share it with others- keeping it to youself would be wrong, wouldn't it?
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

"Jews have never believed themselves possessed of the only "true" faith of exclusive pathway to God, which is why Judaism was never a missionary religion. Since the rabbis taught that all the righteous among the nations could attain "the world to come," there was no need to save the souls of the non-Jews; their own religions gave them access to the Holy One and to salvation." Choosing a Jewish Life, page 24 by Anita Diamant

"As a preface, it is useful to repeat Judaism's central belief that the people of all religions are children of God, and therefore equal before God. All people have God's love, mercy, and help. In particular, Judaism does not require that a person convert to Judaism in order to achieve salvation. The only requirement for that, as understood by Jews, is to be ethical." http://www.convert.org/differ.htm

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Time to grow up, people, and stop blaming goods will for our wars, poverty, cultural injustice, genocide, and the intrawebs destabilising influance on marriages in america.

Partners? yes, a few relationships have ended becuase I came to realise that they weren't just kidding about the whole god thing. I mean, what if god comes to them in the night, as he often does, and tells them to cut my head off  while I sleep?
 
Doctors? Absol friggin lutly! the only reason a educated professional would espose a belief in god is to pre-excuse their failure! "'we did all we could, but it was god's will that he die..." I'll take a grown up who can say, "I did my best and he died anyway" rather than trying to fob off their failure on some bearded fascist hiding in a cloud.

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I was raised roman catholic, lived as a practising Buddishist for over twenty years, and only a few years ago realised the what the world need was not more religous tolerance, but less- in fact, the only hope for the planet is total, global (in both senses of the word) intolerance of religion.

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I was raised roman catholic, lived as a practising Buddishist for over twenty years, and only a few years ago realised the what the world need was not more religous tolerance, but less- in fact, the only hope for the planet is total, global (in both senses of the word) intolerance of religion.

You hope for peace through anger?  Your reasoning eludes me.

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M. CL2112,
 
Not anger- not anger at all. If there's a rabid dog threatening my loved ones, I am Not going to be angry at the dog- I am just going to put it down. Likewise, those who will not live in peace should be delivered to the peace of the grave. No anger about it at all. Just intolerance.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

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Although I've worked with doctors for years, many of them quite open about their spiritual beliefs, I have yet to hear a doctor say that first statement.  I'd say they actually reflect the national  average--about 90% believed in what the anonymous people call "Higher Power."  Frankly, the doctors who believed that they actually did NOT have all the answers gave better care.  (That last is my subjective opinion, and the stat comes from here)

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M. CL2112,
 
Not anger- not anger at all. If there's a rabid dog threatening my loved ones, I am Not going to be angry at the dog- I am just going to put it down. Likewise, those who will not live in peace should be delivered to the peace of the grave. No anger about it at all. Just intolerance.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

So all those who will believe their own beliefs with no threat to you or others will be continued to allow to believe as they will? Or will you kill them all, even through they pose no threat - making you no better than those who kill in the name of Allah, Shiva, Zeus, God or any other deity?

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Dear AS-
 
you misunderstand- my premise is that those that believe in this silly 'god' stuff are a danger to anything that lives- becuase they believe in a higher authority that human law, than morality , or rational thought- they are beyond compassion, and have surrendered their humanity. They pose a threat, and wrapping themselves up in holy rags doesn't buy them any more tolerance that a rabid dog wrapped in a USflag.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

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M. CL2112,
 
Not anger- not anger at all. If there's a rabid dog threatening my loved ones, I am Not going to be angry at the dog- I am just going to put it down. Likewise, those who will not live in peace should be delivered to the peace of the grave. No anger about it at all. Just intolerance.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

So all those who will believe their own beliefs with no threat to you or others will be continued to allow to believe as they will? Or will you kill them all, even through they pose no threat - making you no better than those who kill in the name of Allah, Shiva, Zeus, God or any other deity?

Dear AS-
 
you misunderstand- my premise is that those that believe in this silly 'god' stuff are a danger to anything that lives- becuase they believe in a higher authority that human law, than morality , or rational thought- they are beyond compassion, and have surrendered their humanity. They pose a threat, and wrapping themselves up in holy rags doesn't buy them any more tolerance that a rabid dog wrapped in a USflag.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

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Dear AS-
 
you misunderstand- my premise is that those that believe in this silly 'god' stuff are a danger to anything that lives- becuase they believe in a higher authority that human law, than morality , or rational thought- they are beyond compassion, and have surrendered their humanity. They pose a threat, and wrapping themselves up in holy rags doesn't buy them any more tolerance that a rabid dog wrapped in a USflag.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

I pose you no threat at all, yet I am included in that statement. I wish you no ill will, I have no desire to convert you to any faith, yet you find me a threat and would wish for my death.

You are not that different from the religious extremists, so convinced that only you are right that you can not tolerate a different view when it poses no threat to you. I see this view as the same as sucide bombers.

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You know...for someone who belongs to the church of rational thinking and logic, you sure do have a lot of erroneous ways of reasoning about facts.

Your creating a generalization for an entire sect of people based on a small enumeration of instances.

Fanatics are not an adequate representative of all people who believe in God.

To create a generalization from a handful of particulars that make up of a very small percentage of the whole is a sin against logic.

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Dear AS-
 
So, you know what god wants, but you don't feel that you are obligated to share this with the rest of the world? Don't you have a duty to humanity? And wouldn't this semi-supreme being be able to simply give this revelation to all people? Why hasn't he? And why does he allow suffering and evil to exist in the world. when is he going to do something about famine and disease? Or did he create them to punish the wicked? Isn't it a little unfair that he doesn't reveal exactly what we are being punished for? WHy are you doing something about it- your the one with gods ear- or is it just that you enjoy seeing others suffer and you are hogging this grace for yourself?
 
Stay warm,
lawrence

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You know...for someone who belongs to the church of rational thinking and logic, you sure do have a lot of erroneous ways of reasoning about facts.

Your creating a generalization for an entire sect of people based on a small enumeration of instances.

Fanatics are not an adequate representative of all people who believe in God.

To create a generalization from a handful of particulars that make up of a very small percentage of the whole is a sin against logic.

Sir,
 
True- but as you pointed out this is my religion, and you are all required to respect and tolerate it.
NENANENANEENER!
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

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I have just witnessed the false "freedom" in atheism- offend all people, their "religious" beliefs, have no compassion, and answer to....NO ONE....and end up in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, unless you repent for your heresy and blasphemy. May this offend no one, and touch someone. 

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You know...for someone who belongs to the church of rational thinking and logic, you sure do have a lot of erroneous ways of reasoning about facts.

Your creating a generalization for an entire sect of people based on a small enumeration of instances.

Fanatics are not an adequate representative of all people who believe in God.

To create a generalization from a handful of particulars that make up of a very small percentage of the whole is a sin against logic.

Sir,
 
True- but as you pointed out this is my religion, and you are all required to respect and tolerate it.
NENANENANEENER!
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence

Actually, I think I was the one that pointed it out. And I do respect it.

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C'mon- we are taking about educated, hopefully intelligent people here. They just spout that 'higher power' mumbo-jumbo to sooth the ignorant. It's the same impulse that you pointed out that makes political leaders spout off about god to sell their bill of goods to the masses. If they believed in a supreme being, they'd be petitioning him via prayer to cure that cancer, instead of cutting it out.
 
I am taking this aguement, as I said earlier, to rediculous degree. And I did once fire an oncologist who started taking about gods will- I just found it scary and offensive. And truly, if I had a deeply religous tradesperson working in my house? I would keep a real careful eye on them. they tend to be criminal types<g>.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence