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I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/10/2005 10:05:00 PM   
Fidelity


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Status: offline 		Yup,this is yet another cheater rant. Ignore it if you are tired of them.

I wrote an article on another bdsm server a while back about a rather extreme sort of control form that I have practiced in the past. It's one of about four or five things that people hard limit the most-so I asked those who were interested in details to contact me privately. My intent was to spare anyone from getting "eewwed" at in an open forum.

So anyhow, I get a mail from a slave woman a few days after-and she is all excited by this. Not many Dominants go this route,and she is looking for a Master. I get interested,it looks like she could be fun.

However,in the next letter she comes clean-she has a husband, and he can't know about this. Now I admit that for a few minutes,I was extremely tempted. Then that mean old ethical system clicked in,and I saw myself in her husband's postion. And my thought was "Sonnofabitch,I care more about this poor sod than SHE does!"

I wrote back with this idea,and blocked her. I really didn't want to hear any more excuses than I already had.

So I have a question.

How can you CLAIM to love someone,and then pull this kind of crap on them?
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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/10/2005 10:26:44 PM   
GentleLady


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Status: offline 		I can understand where your question is coming from Fidelity. You might have problems getting an answer though. The ones like Me who have not cheated on a husband (Note that this is not the same thing as living in a poly relationship or having an open marriage) cannot answer your question because we have not done it. The ones who have done it will give you the same kind of excuses and justifications that you avoided by blocking the woman.

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I wrote back with this idea,and blocked her. I really didn't want to hear any more excuses than I already had.


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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/10/2005 10:26:58 PM   
luvdragonx


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Selfishness.

Since I don't know this woman, I will give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she does love him. Love, unfortunately doesn't make you automatically perfect and faultless. People choose themselves over the one they love often, just to varying degrees - from stealing covers at night, to taking the bigger piece of chicken, to fulfilling sexual desires with someone else without their knowledge. Was she right in contacting you with the proposition of playing behind her husbands back? I don't think so.

People will come up with damn near any kind of rationalization to make them feel better about the dirt they do. Who knows what she went through to get to the point of deciding that she was going to go through with it. I've been on both the giving and recieving end of dishonesty and neither makes you feel good. I learned from experience and introspection how low it makes me feel, so in my opinion, there are no excuses. I applaud your actions and hope that she took a lesson from it as well.



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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/10/2005 10:34:22 PM   
Fidelity


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Status: offline 		No,the sad thing is,she had already contacted another man who WAS willing to cheat with her. I had merely piqued her interest with the "kink" part. Part of my reply was basically to not worry about factoring me in-go be a cheater if you like-I won't be contributing to it.

Her rationalization had been that she thought she could deny her urges when she married this poor fellow. I just could not live with the sort of guilt I knew would come from this sort of involvement. I'm simply hard wired with too much empathy to go this route. It would have eaten away at me like acid.

Definitely not my "thing".

It still makes me wonder what sort of a person could take pleasure from non-consensually cuckolding a man like this...maybe a sociopath? Too close to the reptile side for me.

Again,just not my thing-does not compute.

After all,I did not pick this handle for NOTHING people.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/10/2005 10:48:20 PM   
luvdragonx


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Status: offline 		Then, yeah, selfish, plain and simple. She may very well feel she loves her husband, she just loves herself a hell of a lot more.

It takes a lot to stand up for what you believe in, and again, I commend you for not taking part in her deception. I have a no tolerance mindset - if I participate willingly in someone elses cheating, I am just as responsible. Having been on the giving end before, that selfish, immature reasoning will allow you freedom to do whatever you feel like you want to do. No expectation of accountability or responsibility, otherwise I'd have been up front about what I wanted. Rest assured, not everyone stays that way. I grew up, took my lumps for what I did and never looked back.

Edited to add:

She may not take pleasure from it, per se, most likely his feelings about what she's doing aren't even IN her equation.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/10/2005 11:39:07 PM   
MadameDahlia


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Status: offline 		Who says she loves him? Maybe she's got kids... maybe she and her husband have a mortgage... maybe she'd be flat broke and on the streets if they were divorced... maybe he won't allow a divorce... maybe it's a marriage of convenience... maybe her husband is gay and happily boinking boys up the bottom (say that three times fast)

And maybe she doesn't love him but she's a delusional liar who won't come clean with her husband because she knows that her prenup wouldn't pay as well as being married.



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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/10/2005 11:44:16 PM   
Fidelity


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Status: offline 		Excuses for doing the wrong thing don't cut it with me.

I don't have to care about rationalizations-only the end results of the actions that come from them. I HAVE noticed that misery loves company.

I can't see anyone sticking up for a sociopath unless they have the same tendencies.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 1:28:06 AM   
NakedOnMyChain


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Status: offline 		There are many reasons why people cheat. Usually none of them are good ones. I would be devestated if my husband cheated on me, and he would be equally devestated if it went the other way. A relationship without trust is not a real relationship at all. Some people don't realize that.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 1:31:01 AM   
Fidelity


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Status: offline 		I simply found it to be disturbing that someone expected me to lower my standards. I have to wonder how many cheaters realize that EVERYONE ends up being disrespected when they behave so.

It made my skin crawl at the callousness of it.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 2:28:54 AM   
Padriag


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Status: offline 		I have to agree with Luvdragonx on this, its pure selfishness on the part of the cheater. It could also be called irresponsible and unethical, and it is both of those things. It amazes me the mental gymnastics people go through to justify it; there isn't any, its wrong and its that simple. It doesn't matter what the husband is or isn't doing... doesn't matter if he's a dud in the sack, gay, or whatever... she needs to deal with that part of her life honestly before stepping out. But these people rarely ever deal with it honestly because that would mean they would have to take responsibility for themselves, their situation and their actions... something they don't want to do. They're too busy being selfish to be bothered with something as ethical as that. What amazes me more is the people who fall for some of these lines. I know a gal who is involved with a married man right now. According to him, he was active in the lifestyle 25 years ago until he married a vanilla wife... gave up two slaves to be with her. Now, supposedly anyway, 25 years later he can't suppress his "needs" anymore and is pursuing an illicit relationship with a friend of mine... and she's fallen for the lies. I've chewed her ass for it a few times but she's not got her eyes open and I suppose at this point doesn't want to see what a mistake she's made. It hasn't sunk into her head that she likely is not the first woman he's cheated with. Its unlikely those urges suddenly reappeared after 25 years, more likely is that he's probably cheated throughout his marriage. She's also likely not the only one he's presently seeing, he spends very little time with her and being that she's very attractive, I would think he'd want to spend as much time with her as he could... if she were the only one. I know at some point she'll wake up to what's going on and then want to cry on my shoulder and the main urge I'm going to have to resist is saying "I told you so."

I won't have a submissive who cheats. I want 100% from her and she can't give me that if she's involved in another relationship. Doms who even consider this ought to ask themselves two questions. First, why are you compromising yourself by being party to a lie. Second, why are you settling for a submissive who can't give you the full measure of submission you ought to deserve?

And for those submissives approached by cheating doms... consider this. If the first rule of a dominant it to master themselves, meaning to take control of themselves and their own lives... how can they say they've done this if they are lying to their spouses? And if they will lie to their spouses, what makes you so sure they won't lie to you? Ethics and integrity are always the hallmarks of a good dominant, and they ought to be self evident in the actions of said dominant, not mere words they put in a profile or a letter to make themselves look good on paper.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 2:41:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fidelity

So I have a question.

How can you CLAIM to love someone,and then pull this kind of crap on them?


Hi Fidelity,

This is being discussed on the "eating cake" thread. Life's just not always black and white. You didn't want to hear her "excuses" so you may not have the complete picture of what her situation really is. You blocked her. You didn't give her opportunity to tell her complete story, even if she were willing and interested in doing so. Point is we don't have all the facts of her situation because we're not in it. You made your choice and that's commendable that you did what you feel is right for yourself; you're certainly entitled to do so. I'm not playing devil's advocate because I'm against intentional deception in most incidences myself, but there are those murky situations and shades of gray scenarios where it's not always as clear as we want to believe.

People can love others very much and still cheat. Sometimes what they're doing is conscienceless and unethical in our personal opinion. Other times who can say for sure? We aren't in their shoes or the situation. Thankfully, we aren't judge and jury, only observers able to make our own choices based on our own personal ethics. I think it's important to temper our ethics with the potential for "understanding" or nonjudgment when a situation warrants it. I could waver on this opinion were I the one being cheated on, however, and just think it's better to approach these cheating situations on a case by case basis -- withholding judgment if we don't have all the facts.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 2:55:34 AM   
DublinSwitch


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Status: offline 		Wow - imagine someone asking the OP to drop his moral standards...the sheer 'disrespect' of this is mind boggling.

And of course everyone that cheats is a 'sociopath', people clearly have this personality disorder if they don't meet the OP's moral standards.

We in 'the lifestyle' clearly need to uphold moral standards, especially as the vast majority of 'vanilla' people would consider our activity quite immoral, and maybe even perverse.

Maybe they even think that someone who enjoys BDSM is a 'sociopath'.

Course we know that they are wrong, and I am glad that we have people like you with strict moral ethics and a good enough ego to label others as being 'sociopaths'.

Course we are not 'sociopaths' as others might label us, but its great that we can label people that we don't agree with as 'sociopaths'.

Thanks for sharing your black and white view of the world with us all.

DS


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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 3:28:02 AM   
lovingmaster45


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Status: offline 		There are as many reasons for cheating as there are people cheating. Been there...done that. I am wired for kink. I suspect that my wiring is similar to the wiring that gays have. Many gays live "normal" lives for years before they make the break. The break usually comes after they have discharged their responsibilities to their "straight" live; ie, kids are raised, mortgage is paid, etc. Some people can't deny their wiring that long and cheat; or they talk to their SO and make an "arrangement".

I had an "arrangement" with my first wife. Sort of a military approach; "don't ask don't tell."

We both had careers and we had a child. After we raised the child we split. She to go about her bible thumping and me to pursue my kink full-time.

I promised any new relationship would have to be open and honest and would involve either being involved in or accepting my perversions. It works that way for me and Head Bitch Barbie.

What another person chooses is of no concern of mine unless it impacts my family and I will not judge them harshly.

If a cheater approaches me, I try to explore the reasons they are cheating and convince them that they can talk to the SO. Often I discover that I am just plain WRONG.... what a concept.

I don't play with them; but I don't condemn them for their choices, unless they are trying to come off as a "Master" or "Mistress". Then a whole new set of values emerges and I get downright beligerant. Mainly because their actions have a far greater chance of doing serious harm to play partners. Not because of my prejudices.





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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 4:33:34 AM   
Padriag


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Status: offline 		Tad hypocritical to flame someone in such a judgemental way for being... judgemental.

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ORIGINAL: DublinSwitch
And of course everyone that cheats is a 'sociopath', people clearly have this personality disorder if they don't meet the OP's moral standards.

And for the record there was nothing wrong with Fidelity's use of the word sociopath (the clinical term is Antisocial Personality Disorder or APD). Among the characteristics of sociopathic behavior are: not learning from experience, no sense of responsibility, inability to form or maintain meaningful relationships, inability to control impulses, lack of moral / ethical sense, chronically antisocial behavior, no change in behavior after punishment, emotional immaturity, lack of or displacement of guilt, self-centeredness.

People with this disorder may exhibit criminal behavior. They may not work. If they do work, they are frequently absent or may quit suddenly. They do not consider other people's wishes, welfare or rights. They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal pleasure or profit. They may default on loans, fail to provide child support, or fail to care for their dependents adequately. High risk sexual behavior and substance abuse are common. Impulsiveness, failure to plan ahead, aggressiveness, irritability, irresponsibility, and a reckless disregard for their own safety and the safety of others are traits of the antisocial personality.

Socioeconomic status, gender, and genetic factors play a role. Males are more likely to be antisocial than females. Those from lower socioeconomic groups are more susceptible. A family history of the disorder puts one at higher risk.

There are many theories about the cause of Antisocial Personality Disorder including experiencing neglectful parenting as a child, low levels of certain neurotransmitters in the brain, and belief that antisocial behavior is justified because of difficult circumstances. Psychotherapy, group therapy, and family therapy are common treatments. The effects of medical treatment are inconclusive. Unfortunately, most people with Antisocial Personality Disorder reject treatment. Therefore, recovery rates are low.

Source: DSM-IV-TR

Emphasis in bold being mine, people who cheat typically display those characteristics so using clinical definitions, yes... cheaters are engaging in sociopathic behavior.

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ORIGINAL: themischievous1

You didn't want to hear her "excuses" so you may not have the complete picture of what her situation really is.
Sometimes what they're doing is conscienceless and unethical in our personal opinion.

He didn't need to, because anything else would have been just that, excuses; and that too is typical of APD, displacement of guilt by making excuses in order to justify one's behavior. The minute she said she was cheating on her husband and lying to him about her behavior she admitted her own culpability in behaving in an unethical way. There is no ethical ambiguity here, it is not a matter of personal opinion. Lying to your spouse in order to cover up and facilitate engaging in extramarital sex is cheating and it is unethical. If you want to sit there and try to make excuses for that or justify it that's your perrogative. But I'll just say this, don't expect one ounce of sympathy from me if your spouse or SO cheats on you at some point... after all, by your reasoning who am I to judge...

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 4:40:07 AM   
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However,in the next letter she comes clean-she has a husband, and he can't know about this. Now I admit that for a few minutes,I was extremely tempted. Then that mean old ethical system clicked in,and I saw myself in her husband's postion. And my thought was "Sonnofabitch,I care more about this poor sod than SHE does!"


I have also received emails from married men... Dom and submissive alike, my reply is pretty standard... I don't do discreet and I don't do married. I've been on the other end and I know it sucks. Yes, I have cheated... no, I didn't give a shit about my husband at the time, by that time he had slept with all but one of my sisters, his sister-in-law and just about any one with the right equipment and no I couldn't up and leave... tried it once, he hunted me down... I guess he just wasn't finished making my life a living hell... anyway, when he suspected it he asked, I told him the truth.. when, where and with who (and yes, one of them was one of his best friends... yes, I am a vindictive bitch at times) But I have to admit that I walked away from that with a new understanding. That was better then 20 years ago and I have since discovered that I can stand up for what I believe in and I don't have to put up with it and I don't have to "tolerate" it either. You can talk about the countless excuses, I know, I had those excuses, till the cows come home but the reality of the situation is simple, the choice each person has to make is whether or not to hold to fidelity. There is always a way out... I ran from that marriage 6 times and 6 times he dragged me back (believe me.... when faced with the options... you know... dying or living in hell...) the seventh time was the charm, he finally let me go and let me get that divorce... so it isn't like he didn't know that I wanted out. No more excuses, own it, the choice is totally your own.

Ok, sorry, preaching again...

Jewel

Damn typos

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 4:59:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag

Tad hypocritical to flame someone in such a judgemental way for being... judgemental.

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ORIGINAL: DublinSwitch
And of course everyone that cheats is a 'sociopath', people clearly have this personality disorder if they don't meet the OP's moral standards.

And for the record there was nothing wrong with Fidelity's use of the word sociopath (the clinical term is Antisocial Personality Disorder or APD). Among the characteristics of sociopathic behavior are: not learning from experience, no sense of responsibility, inability to form or maintain meaningful relationships, inability to control impulses, lack of moral / ethical sense, chronically antisocial behavior, no change in behavior after punishment, emotional immaturity, lack of or displacement of guilt, self-centeredness.


Source: DSM-IV-TR



Fair enough, did not mean to flame the OP, just thought the use of the word 'sociopath' was a bit strong, especially given that a lot of people would consider a lot of BDSM activity as sociopathic.

Looking at the list of 'characteristics' for sociopath all I can think is that that is a huge list, and I would be amazed if anyone can truthfully not identify with at least one of those characteristics.

The other reason I did (perhaps unfairly) flame the OP is that there seems to be a tone of 'moralising' on the boards recently that I find objectionable.

I really think that people engaged in BDSM - identified by the media and dare I say most others, as a perverted and often 'immoral' activity - should not really themselves engage in preaching about 'morality', to me that smacks of hypocrisy.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 5:11:23 AM   
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quote:

I really think that people engaged in BDSM - identified by the media and dare I say most others, as a perverted and often 'immoral' activity - should not really themselves engage in preaching about 'morality', to me that smacks of hypocrisy.


hmmm....are you saying that you don't believe that one can be engaged in this lifestyle AND have morals? Why is it that anyone who talks about holding themselves in their OWN life to a stricter code of morals, values or principles is viewed as trying to be superior, puritanical, hypocritical or judgemental? Everyone has the right to state how they feel and I don't see anyone on here trying to force anyone else to live life a certain way.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 5:26:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DublinSwitch

Fair enough, did not mean to flame the OP, just thought the use of the word 'sociopath' was a bit strong, especially given that a lot of people would consider a lot of BDSM activity as sociopathic.

Looking at the list of 'characteristics' for sociopath all I can think is that that is a huge list, and I would be amazed if anyone can truthfully not identify with at least one of those characteristics.

The other reason I did (perhaps unfairly) flame the OP is that there seems to be a tone of 'moralising' on the boards recently that I find objectionable.

I really think that people engaged in BDSM - identified by the media and dare I say most others, as a perverted and often 'immoral' activity - should not really themselves engage in preaching about 'morality', to me that smacks of hypocrisy.

Cheers

DS

I wouldn't be surprised if you were not the only person who felt it was too strong, and I attribute that to the image the media (TV, movies, etc.) have often associated with sociopaths. Not every sociopath is a homicidal maniac, habitual criminal, etc... though they can be. Most forms of sociopathic behavior are much milder and subtle and take the form of fairly ordinary forms of anti-social behavior... such as cheating, habitual vandalism, hooligans, etc. Ah well, look at it this way, it was a good opportunity to clear up some misunderstandings.

You are right, many of the characteristics are becoming common place, and that is alarming because it indicates that an increasing percentage of society is becoming more and more self centered with each generation. I have a personal pet theory on why that is but I'll spare everyone that essay

As for the question of morality, you may have noticed I don't use the term and instead refer to ethics. Moral standards are generally based on religious values, ethical values are generally based on social values (essentially only those things that affect society). I could care less if someone like Jerry Falwell says BDSM is immoral. While it may be immoral by his moral / religious values (which is fine for him, he's entitled to that), I don't concern myself with that because I know that for the most part, BDSM is not unethical. I say for the most part because there are some practices I see people engage in which I feel are unethical... essentially anything which is deliberately deceitful, misleading or attempting to manipulate people for personal gain without regard for their welfare. Cheating, I would think fairly obviously, falls into that category of unethical behavior. Misleading submissives into relationships under false pretenses is another. One example being "mentors" that use that as an excuse to engage in a sexual relationship with a submissive under a false pretense of teaching or offering guidance. There are people who are ethical mentors, but its become a term fallen into disrepute (especially online) because so many have misused it.

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 6:49:58 AM   
Fawne


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I read your profile. You are very clear about what you seek.

So, some chick comes to you and tries to manipulate you into flexing your values, lowering your standards.. My q: what the F is she thinking? Pure disrespect.. IMHO

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RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... - 8/11/2005 7:20:36 AM   
Fidelity


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the input everyone.

And yes Padraig,I did not use the word "sociopath" without knowing EXACTLY what it meant. Your example of the misleading "mentor" is yet another one of a callous, lying user. And no,I really didn't care to listen to more excuses and attempts to manipulate me by this worm.

All I could think was,"I really and truly loathe people like this-the LAST thing I will EVER do is lower myself to this sort of level by enabling it in ANY way."

If people did not so easily trust-or seek fantasies-cheaters would never have a chance. As it is,they seem to find someone to enable thier selfishness all too often.

If you are not part of the solution-you ARE part of the problem.

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