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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 11:22:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

This kind of braggadocio is fairly common around here... I think it comes with the "You, too, can be a Dominant!" initiation kit.

Would be truly something if the actions live up to the words.

I have LOTS of real life refferences. Do you?

RRafe,

Trust me, don't bother engaging these two, it is a waste of time. They are deeply impressed with each other and make themselves feel better by tearing others down. At least that is what I would say if you called me for a reference on them.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 11:28:25 AM

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After reading the "Prince Charming "and "Knight in Shining Armour" threads it made me think....and maybe "Ideal princess" isn't the right descpription, but it fit with all the fairy tales...

Soooo how many of you have been "victim" of trying to live up to the perfect ideal that is shoveled into our heads by the media from childhood on. Whether that is some fairy tale "princess" or June Cleaver or Donna Reed? Even though your Master/Mistress/Dom/me tries to reassure you that you are just fine the way you are.

i am very guilty of this. Trying to always attain the unattainable perfection and if it isn't totally perfect then it is a failure. i look at my Master/Daddy as a King of the Castle and of our realm and am always trying to do it all perfectly....trying to be the perfect little Suzi Homemaker and total nasty little slut all rolled into one.

my ideal though is much harsher to accomplish than that which he wishes of me...but this just sets up for alot of failure on its own (in my head).

I've heard this concept alot from other sub types and it seems like a very common thing....and yet...it seems acceptable and like a positive to want to attain this level of perfect for one's "M"...not necessarily wanting to be a Princess in a Shining apron and stillettos..but close....and yet all of the Prince Charming/Knight in Shining Armor stuff seems to be looked down on.

Just something that made me think.
What do ya'll think?

I actually, after several attempts, attained perfection approx. an hour ago.

(It's pretty damn cool, I have to admit).

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 12:52:12 PM

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RRafe,

Trust me, don't bother engaging these two, it is a waste of time. They are deeply impressed with each other and make themselves feel better by tearing others down. At least that is what I would say if you called me for a reference on them.

These two? They? Them? Are you now referring to me with Royal plurality?

We are amused.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 1:07:04 PM

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~fast reply~

Possibly not going to be a popular opinion but at least the 'ideal princess', the goddess who can cook, clean, be a lady and a tramp is attainable.
The 'prince charming / knight in shining armour, man / woman to solve all your problems and make everything is ok, is so a rarity.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 2:30:27 PM

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i have been unable to attain it as of yet though that could be attributed to my lack of desire to be so. I don't know how to explain it other than stepford wives come to mind. Part of me would be lost i feel like ... i do not know if this is actually true but i feel like it will be.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 6:46:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry
The desire to do all of that perfectly and then kicking yourself if anything is not "just so"

d.c - I thought this thread was going to be negative, but its turned out pretty well, thanks. I sure never had princess fantasies ( much less treated as one as a girl)
BUT, I have known men who have - kicked me - for not being 'just so'.
( yes,

I do kick myself sometimes..)

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I really don't seem to have the issues that a lot of men do-it's sort of strange to me..........That guys who claim to be dominant have so much fear.

Thanks Rrafe.

Its passive aggressive and stupid too!

Some men in modern society really do - FEAR - natural sexuality in women !!!
I am out of time and place, maybe, but current culture is .. f*cked up!

It's seems to me: to be "made" to wear diapers is far more sincere!

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 6:47:17 PM

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i have been unable to attain it as of yet though that could be attributed to my lack of desire to be so. I don't know how to explain it other than stepford wives come to mind. Part of me would be lost i feel like ... i do not know if this is actually true but i feel like it will be.

Stepford Wives....that it kind of the thought in my head...only nasty and filthy and dressed waaay sluttier than them :) i try but i just can't get there....but i also enjoy doing all of those "wifey" kinds of things....i didn't before my Daddy so much but there was a part of me deep inside that wanted to.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:05:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Baroque

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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry
The desire to do all of that perfectly and then kicking yourself if anything is not "just so"

d.c - I thought this thread was going to be negative, but its turned out pretty well, thanks. I sure never had princess fantasies ( much less treated as one as a girl)
BUT, I have known men who have - kicked me - for not being 'just so'.
( yes, I do kick myself sometimes..)

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I really don't seem to have the issues that a lot of men do-it's sort of strange to me..........That guys who claim to be dominant have so much fear.

Thanks Rrafe. Its passive aggressive and stupid too!

Some men in modern society really do - FEAR - natural sexuality in women !!!
I am out of time and place, maybe, but current culture is .. f*cked up!

It's seems to me: to be "made" to wear diapers is far more sincere!

At least with some of my methods-a woman can actually figure out that I *enjoy* control.........and I'm literally willing to clean up the mess afterwards-rather than run from what I caused to happen. And I have no fear of being rejected for being upfront about it-in fact-I prefer to chase off women not interested in letting go of the really stupid inhibitions and steroetypes that society imposes.

I don't expect perfection-I expect honest effort. And we BOTH need to be able to do some growing and changing in positive directions. I refuse to let my ego destroy the ability to feel a sense of elation that my partner is giving me wonderful things-and not just in the bedroom.

What bothers me the most is this. That the bdsm culture is copying a lot of those same vanilla stereotypes-winding in a little kinky sex, some really DUMBASS pornography-like "the story of O". And then having the gall to call it "origional"?

It's just another case of serial stupidity-I'd like to live my life as I see fit-not by a script that worked aeons ago-or that some third rate hack writer dreamed up.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:07:01 PM

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I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's a difference between 'embracing imperfection' versus proving that you have real value regardless of your imperfections.

Thanks DMF.P. That's a great way to say it, it's concise, well understood.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:14:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry

i also enjoy doing all of those "wifey" kinds of things....i didn't before my Daddy so much but there was a part of me deep inside that wanted to.

I admit to being torn on this issue cherry ..there was a time i quite enjoyed doing these things however i have lost a lot of joy in these activities. Perhaps in time it will be sparked once again. Now if i could just find someone to tolerate my cooking haha ...

i honestly believe that what happened is that the relationship i was in ... nothing was ever good enough and, as i eluded to in my previous post, i gave up. Not a good quality admittedly but it was too frustrating.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:19:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I don't expect perfection-I expect honest effort. And we BOTH need to be able to do some growing and changing in positive directions. I refuse to let my ego destroy the ability to feel a sense of elation that my partner is giving me wonderful things

I think this is a more realistic expectation of people. I revolt against keeping up with the jones'. An honest try and real growth as well as growing opportunities are what i try to achieve.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:20:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

This kind of braggadocio is fairly common around here... I think it comes with the "You, too, can be a Dominant!" initiation kit.

Would be truly something if the actions live up to the words.

I have LOTS of real life refferences. Do you?

RRafe,

Trust me, don't bother engaging these two, it is a waste of time. They are deeply impressed with each other and make themselves feel better by tearing others down. At least that is what I would say if you called me for a reference on them.

I begin to wonder if they aren;t the same person,playing with two profiles. Does anyone here actually know either of them in real life?

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:21:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: astarri

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I don't expect perfection-I expect honest effort. And we BOTH need to be able to do some growing and changing in positive directions. I refuse to let my ego destroy the ability to feel a sense of elation that my partner is giving me wonderful things

I think this is a more realistic expectation of people. I revolt against keeping up with the jones'. An honest try and real growth as well as growing opportunities are what i try to achieve.

That does not mean I will let a girl out of trying. But I'll at least let her have success where it is due.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:22:59 PM

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*looks around and cannot resist adding, if for NO ONE'S BENEFIT BUT HER OWN....

I'm not a f_c_i_g princess. Anyone who thinks to can go Jungle Farkin'

WOOHOO!

Jungle Farkin' can be fun, but is by far a WASTE OF A GIRL'S TIME

PERHAPS SHE SHOULD DO AS SHE SAID AND TAKE HER OWN ADVICE?

p.s. ... perhaps not... she's confused.....

A WISE MASTER once told a girl that the source of most confusion in the world was the lack of knowledge that they were already GOREAN and just CONFUSED.

Perhaps a girl is mistaken, though?

Am I part of the winning team yet or just playing another trivial game?

ORIGINAL: I should just serve well, for my own reasons..... Anything else is just forum BS.

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MASTER is GOREAN
GOREAN is MASTER
perhaps a girl is just "confused" or "a stray" though

All who are a stray have merely gone astray. Be careful who you "extend a friendly paw to. there are those who might wish to declaw a wild thing such as yourself." I AM CAREFUL. I AM NOT IGNORANT.. I MADE MANY MISTAKES

Many Master have corrected many mistakes, many times..... over and over again.... Nobody seems to know why though. Perhaps it's just "me" talking to "myself" again, though?

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:24:21 PM

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At least with some of my methods-a woman can actually figure out that I *enjoy* control.........and I'm literally willing to clean up the mess afterwards-rather than run from what I caused to happen. And I have no fear of being rejected for being upfront about it-in fact-I prefer to chase off women not interested in letting go of the really stupid inhibitions and steroetypes that society imposes.
Thanks for the insight! ( and more.. truly)

I don't expect perfection-I expect honest effort. And we BOTH need to be able to do some growing and changing in positive directions. I refuse to let my ego destroy the ability to feel a sense of elation that my partner is giving me wonderful things-and not just in the bedroom. You were right all along.

What bothers me the most is this. That the bdsm culture is copying a lot of those same vanilla stereotypes-winding in a little kinky sex, some really DUMBASS pornography-like "the story of O". And then having the gall to call it "origional"?
Damn! I tried and can't even write that shit! ( but you see, I haven't read castle realm and am fresh out of old copies of Penthouse letters - which at least I'd enjoyed!)

It's just another case of serial stupidity-I'd like to live my life as I see fit-not by a script that worked aeons ago-or that some third rate hack writer dreamed up. Amen

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:29:08 PM

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I think this is a more realistic expectation of people. I revolt against keeping up with the jones'. An honest try and real growth as well as growing opportunities are what i try to achieve.

That does not mean I will let a girl out of trying. But I'll at least let her have success where it is due.

But an honest try does not mean letting someone get away with anything ..if she has tried her hardest and yet still dinner tastes like ummm glue ( i dont understand cause i CAN bake but i cant cook) but she honestly tried her hardest ... well not that you should be expected to eat it but acknowledgement of the effort would be nice.

edited because i type and think at the same time which ends up not always correlating well

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:38:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: astarri

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I think this is a more realistic expectation of people. I revolt against keeping up with the jones'. An honest try and real growth as well as growing opportunities are what i try to achieve.

That does not mean I will let a girl out of trying. But I'll at least let her have success where it is due.

But an honest try does not mean letting someone get away with anything ..if she has tried her hardest and yet still dinner tastes like ummm glue ( i dont understand cause i CAN bake but i cant cook) but she honestly tried her hardest ... well not that you should be expected to eat it but acknowledgement of the effort would be nice.

edited because i type and think at the same time which ends up not always correlating well

Which is why the girl occasionally ends in in the cage in the diapers at times-to get some refocusing done. If she does really well-I may take HER out to dinner.

Intent means a lot to me-but it's useless without paying attention to how you APPLY it.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 7:59:30 PM

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Which is why the girl occasionally ends in in the cage in the diapers at times-to get some refocusing done. If she does really well-I may take HER out to dinner.

Intent means a lot to me-but it's useless without paying attention to how you APPLY it.

Well at least this is much more interesting than normal vanilla punishments. (and yes i believe vanilla people punish each other all the time but in non-constructive ways)
Applied Intent ...i like the concept.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 8:01:14 PM

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Which is why the girl occasionally ends in in the cage in the diapers at times-to get some refocusing done. If she does really well-I may take HER out to dinner.

Intent means a lot to me-but it's useless without paying attention to how you APPLY it.

Well at least this is much more interesting than normal vanilla punishments. (and yes i believe vanilla people punish each other all the time but in non-constructive ways)
Applied Intent ...i like the concept.

I have a saying.

Never shit where you sleep.

It can become a literal thing-but I do have an ironic sense of humor.

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RE: I'll see your Prince Charming and raise you an Idea... - 11/24/2007 8:02:44 PM

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I begin to wonder if they aren;t the same person,playing with two profiles. Does anyone here actually know either of them in real life?

Believe what you will, if it helps you to try to keep the tatters of your illusions.

When I read this thread, at Treasure's suggestion, I told her that she had challenged a basic shared belief and method of presentation of self of many men and doms, and likely would receive some comments.

My gut feel was that you were likely man enough to understand her point, even if she didn't say it in a fawning, obsequious, kowtowing and ingratiating manner.

However, your apparent alignment with SM (not an indication of stability or deep understanding in my opinion), and now your attempt to deflect Treasure's well made point with personal enmity and attacks seems to place you in the "waste of human flesh" category.

I'm willing to entertain the possibility I'm wrong. I've not really interacted with you before, and perhaps you just are having a bad day.

But ... believe me, if you think Treasure has claws .... wait until I decided you need spanked.

You could say that she is my more cultured, fined and ... polite ... alter-ego, if you wish, and you'd be closer to the mark than believing we are the same person.

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