Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

The non-lifestyler perspective


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> The non-lifestyler perspective Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 6:46:15 PM   
LadyAngelika


Posts: 8070
Joined: 7/4/2004
Status: offline
I’ve been perusing these boards for over a year now. As many regulars know, I don’t consider myself a lifestyler—that is a person who lives a bdsm lifestyle—I do not define my personal relationships in a D/s or M/s dynamic.

For those who don’t know me, I am a natural dominant woman who is attracted to other naturally dominant assertive people, more often then not men, who generally like it when I take the lead in the relationship, especially in intimate matters. I am also an inherently kinky woman who has very little limits in regards to sexuality and has a penchant for sadomasochism as both a top and a bottom.

I do not live by any lifestyle code. I have my own ideas of what safe and consensual means which may or may not jive with people in the lifestyle. I have my own ideas on a lot of things that may or may not jive with people in the lifestyle. I also know that there is a lot of disagreement between people in the lifestyle which is normal. But what I'm trying to get at is that I really don't care inherently that rules get figured out. My naturally dominant side doesn't care for anyone else's rules or protocol. Just like I am an atheist and an agnostic and I don’t really follow any God-like figure’s rule.

So what am I and what am I doing here, right? I’ve been asking myself that question lately to be honest. I look at the relationships dynamics described on the boards and I have to say, though I totally respect everyone’s right to live out their relationship the way they want, I cannot relate to 90% of you. I read the posts lately and I really feel like “what on earth do I have to contribute to this”. I have to say, it hasn’t always been this way, otherwise I have no idea how I would have tallied up this many posts! It seems these boards haven’t always been so “lifestyle” oriented. Or maybe I was just clueless.

Now this is in no way, shape or form a rant. If the natural direction that collarme is going is to cater to lifestylers, then so be it. The name of the site signifies a strong lifestyle statement—Collar me—so it would seem only natural, right?

I’m actually wondering if there is a way for lifestylers and non-lifestylers to co-exist and/or if they should. I often get the feeling that many lifestylers view us non-lifestylers as players and wannabees. Now this isn’t going to affect in any way, shape or form how I view myself or my relationship dynamics, but it does affect how I interact on here. The tension isn’t super obvious but I feel it underlying and that is why I bring it up, not to point fingers at anyone but rather so that we can openly and honestly discuss it.

- LA

_____________________________

Une main de fer dans un gant de velours ~ An iron hand in a velvet glove
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 6:52:24 PM   
sub4hire


Posts: 6775
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline

LA, I believe I read someplace that you just broke up with your boy. So, I think what you are feeling is normal. We all reflect upon ourselves when we end a relationship.

I'd hate to see you go but if you must only go for a short period of time. I do feel you offer a lot to these board's no matter if you consider yourself lifestyle or not.
Granted we may not always agree but should we really agree all of the time?

I've literally lived 17 year's with a dom now between the two. I don't agree with most here. That doesn't make us any less of a lifestyle couple.

You've always handled yourself very well here. Some of the lifestylers could learn a lot from you.



(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 6:57:01 PM   
LadyAngelika


Posts: 8070
Joined: 7/4/2004
Status: offline
Gloria,

First of all, this has nothing to do with the fact that I broke up with my boy.

Second of all, I never said I was leaving.

Third, thanks for the kind words. I know a lot of people here appreciate my perspective just as I appreciate theirs.

- LA

_____________________________

Une main de fer dans un gant de velours ~ An iron hand in a velvet glove

(in reply to sub4hire)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 6:58:02 PM   
Shayna


Posts: 205
Joined: 1/16/2005
Status: offline
I have no desire to belong to any identity club. I dont see myself as a "lifestyler", though I have friends that probably define themselves in that way and I attend social events that are bdsm/fetish-focused. I see it as something I do and enjoy in my life/relationships, just like kayaking, following politics or working (which I spend more time doing than anything else). If I had to pick a primary identity for myself it would probably be related to my professional life, not my personal life.

LA, I enjoy your perspective quite a bit. I appreciate diverse opinions - whether I agree or not.



(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:02:50 PM   
sub4hire


Posts: 6775
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
I know you never said you were although you are contemplating things for some reason. The questions come to mind. So I just wanted to say I appreciate you being here.

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:04:36 PM   
MstrssPassion


Posts: 2444
Joined: 1/1/2004
From: West Palm Beach, FL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I often get the feeling that many lifestylers view us non-lifestylers as players and wannabees.


Hmmmm... I think the players & wannabees fall into a whole different category, just as there are various levels of intensity within those that identify as 'lifestyle'. Non-lifestyle does not mean player/wannabe. The ones that rub me the wrong way are the ones that are players & wannabees that are trying to pass themselves off as 'lifestyle'.

I personally enjoy many of your posts. I wouldn't be so concerned with others & their opinions... I am sure you have heard the saying "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one".

What I gather about you is that you are a very confident & capable woman. The only opinion you should really concern yourself with is your opinion of yourself.

MstrssPassion

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:10:21 PM   
LadyAngelika


Posts: 8070
Joined: 7/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

What I gather about you is that you are a very confident & capable woman. The only opinion you should really concern yourself with is your opinion of yourself.


Oh and that is totally my perspective as well. This post was not made so that I could feel validated or have people tell me that my opinion is fine.

I'm simply trying to have an open discussion about how lifestylers and non-lifestylers view one another.

- LA

_____________________________

Une main de fer dans un gant de velours ~ An iron hand in a velvet glove

(in reply to MstrssPassion)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:10:59 PM   
pinkpleasures


Posts: 1114
Status: offline
Lady Angelika, Your posts have always been thought-provoking and reality-based, and i have tried to follow them. i have noticed how infrequently You have been posting lately and have hoped it would change. When i first found the boards, You were much more active.

i cannot contribute didilly to the division between lifestylers and non-lifestylers. i have no idea who or what is meant by these terms. i have responded to my email; gone on to date one guy for some months which did not last, and still have hope of finding Someone. However, the guy i dated did not want a sexual life so i remain inexperienced. i am trying to find someone to attend BDSM events here but i am a bit reluctant since i want to relocate myself. Still, it would be nice to have friends here.

So as a novice, all i can say is i have read Your posts and found them a cut above the average. i do not want You to retreat in any way. i have no idea what You mean by the "tendency to be lifestyler-orientated" but Yours is a voice that i truely enjoy.

pinkpleasures


_____________________________



(in reply to Shayna)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:11:05 PM   
BalletBob


Posts: 1645
Joined: 7/14/2005
Status: offline
Hi LadyAngelike. I feel a little like you, and read a lot of posts where people are loking for a Lifestyle, 24/7..talking about relocating and all that. I am like you, and only get a chance to do it part time. Well I use to do it part time, but for now, I am on my own. I consider myself a Sub, because I figure a Slave is someone in a 24/7 relationship. I don't think I could do it as a lifestyle, but feel that everyone here, has things to say, and aren't all Lifestylers, though it sems most are.

Still here, BalletBob

_____________________________

"I get my kicks above the Waistline, Sunshine"

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:20:05 PM   
MsIncognito


Posts: 742
Joined: 5/24/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I'm simply trying to have an open discussion about how lifestylers and non-lifestylers view one another.



Speaking only for myself I don't even 'sort' people that way. When I come here it's to discuss ideas and it doesn't really matter to me whether the person posting those ideas is a lifestyler or a weekend warrior. Granted after a while you do get to "know" people a bit and can see their persepective based on what you know of them from here but for the most part it's not about the people, it's about the exchange of ideas.

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:22:31 PM   
kyakitten


Posts: 145
Joined: 11/21/2004
Status: offline
Lady Angelika,

I agree with you that there have been some changes in the general climate, topics, and contributors to these boards recently, and like you, I find less I can contribute to or that interests me. My perception is that there's more of a "my way or the highway" theme overriding a majority of the threads, leaving little room for divergent tastes or views - including the distinction you mention.

Someone on one of the other threads - Erin I think? - mentioned that message boards go through cycles. I'm hoping that if we hang out here long enough, the dynamic will change again. And hopefully your message will help accelerate that, since many people here will agree that the boards are richer with you on them.


< Message edited by kyakitten -- 10/5/2005 9:20:25 PM >

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:23:05 PM   
LadyAngelika


Posts: 8070
Joined: 7/4/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsIncognito

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I'm simply trying to have an open discussion about how lifestylers and non-lifestylers view one another.



Speaking only for myself I don't even 'sort' people that way. When I come here it's to discuss ideas and it doesn't really matter to me whether the person posting those ideas is a lifestyler or a weekend warrior. Granted after a while you do get to "know" people a bit and can see their persepective based on what you know of them from here but for the most part it's not about the people, it's about the exchange of ideas.


Now if only everyone had your perspective MsIncognito ;-) I think I remember a time when collarme was like that.

- LA

_____________________________

Une main de fer dans un gant de velours ~ An iron hand in a velvet glove

(in reply to MsIncognito)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:24:11 PM   
wednesday


Posts: 93
Joined: 6/21/2005
Status: offline
I don't consider myself a life-styler. If anything, I view the life-style with the outsider's fascination. It's probably why I ask so many (seemingly obvious) questions.

It's a narrow line. "Vanilla" folks, upon hearing of my personal predilictions, are given to distance themselves out of fear or distaste much of the time. And life-style folks skirt at a distance because my boyfriend and I are equals, it seems (at least that's what one person told me). Do I care? No. I've never been the type to get into a "scene" at all. I don't care enough about being accepted to immerse myself in ANY life-style.

I notice a lot of threads about semantics... I don't get why people get so riled up. Common interest does not imply linear similarity. Just because we like the same kinds of things doesn't mean we go about them the same way. BUT! What I enjoy about the threads on semantics is that it gives (to the people who notice it) a chance to see how many different approaches there can be to a given subject.

For example, I am a naturally dominant woman. I am confident, assertive, and comfortable taking charge. I am attracted to naturally dominant men. Men who will challenge me intellectually and motivationally. Not to imply that you and I are similar, but just that on the surface it might appear so.

That having been said...

I play the submissive role in the bedroom in my current relationship.

I love to read and learn about how other people arrive at their situations. If they look down on me for not living a life of service, or whatever else... *shrug* big deal

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:29:40 PM   
LadyAngelika


Posts: 8070
Joined: 7/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire
I know you never said you were although you are contemplating things for some reason. The questions come to mind.

Cos I'm a highly contemplative kind of woman ;) I guess I set off some bells as I've received 4 emails so far from people wanting to know if I was ok. The gesture is very sweet but seriously, I'm ok. This is truly just a question that has been churning in my over active mind for sometime now and on this lovely Sunday evening, I finally had time to word it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire
So I just wanted to say I appreciate you being here.

Thanks. I appreciate you being here too. :-)

- LA

_____________________________

Une main de fer dans un gant de velours ~ An iron hand in a velvet glove

(in reply to sub4hire)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:31:08 PM   
LadyAngelika


Posts: 8070
Joined: 7/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

Just because we like the same kinds of things doesn't mean we go about them the same way. BUT! What I enjoy about the threads on semantics is that it gives (to the people who notice it) a chance to see how many different approaches there can be to a given subject.


I like that too. I've learned from many here, lifestylers, non-lifestylers... everyone really, even the HNG Troll Wannabees ;-)

- LA

_____________________________

Une main de fer dans un gant de velours ~ An iron hand in a velvet glove

(in reply to wednesday)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:33:26 PM   
LadyAngelika


Posts: 8070
Joined: 7/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: kyakitten
Someone on one of the other threads - Erin I think? - mentioned that message boards go through cycles. I'm hoping that if we hang out here long enough, the dynamic will change again. And hopefully your message will help accelerate that, since many people here will agree that the boards are richer with you on them.

Liana


Erin said that huh? Wise woman she is!! I've noticed cycles, yes. And maybe this post will be a catalyst. To be seen ;-)

- LA

_____________________________

Une main de fer dans un gant de velours ~ An iron hand in a velvet glove

(in reply to kyakitten)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:33:55 PM   
stormsfate


Posts: 849
Joined: 2/1/2005
Status: offline
quote:

So what am I and what am I doing here, right? I’ve been asking myself that question lately to be honest. I look at the relationships dynamics described on the boards and I have to say, though I totally respect everyone’s right to live out their relationship the way they want, I cannot relate to 90% of you. I read the posts lately and I really feel like “what on earth do I have to contribute to this”. I have to say, it hasn’t always been this way, otherwise I have no idea how I would have tallied up this many posts! It seems these boards haven’t always been so “lifestyle” oriented. Or maybe I was just clueless.


LadyA, I can relate to your post on some level. I *do* consider myself a lifestyler and our dynamic definately fits into that category. However...I also do not relate to 90% + of the people posting here. Even so, I believe that we can learn from everyone, even if its just a statement someone makes that touches off an unrelated thought...which thought, if pursued, leads to further self-enlightenment.

Someone I recently "met" mentioned that I've averaged about 100 posts a month. That kind of shocked me, because often times I read the boards and think that I have absolutely nothing to contribute to any of the topics currently being discussed. It seems that even though I really have nothing useful to contribute, I still make comments. My response to that person, btw, was that my posts were mostly useless drivel. BUT, there are posts on occasion that touch a chord in me and makes me sit up and take notice. And THAT is the reason I am here.

I do have to make the comment that "lifestyle oriented" surely means different things to different people, because I have wished for discussion from people who are in a similar dynamic to the one I'm in...even though I understand that it is unlikely to happen here to any great degree, as well as the reasons why it is unlikely.


best regards,
fate

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:48:18 PM   
happypervert


Posts: 2203
Joined: 5/11/2004
From: Scranton, PA
Status: offline
quote:

I look at the relationships dynamics described on the boards and I have to say, though I totally respect everyone’s right to live out their relationship the way they want, I cannot relate to 90% of you.

That is likely more a function of IQ than lifestyle

quote:

f the natural direction that collarme is going is to cater to lifestylers, then so be it.

I think what you may be noticing is turnover in the personalities on the boards rather than the site catering to any group. For example, I recall about a year ago there seemed to be a lot of folks here portraying a bdsm lifestyle of honor and chivalry where the dominant knights in shining armor would slay dragons and then rescue the fair submissive maidens and then they would ride off to a castle in the sky in a carriage drawn by winged pink unicorns. Lately I don't see much of that and I figure it's just a different crowd; hang around long enough and who knows who else will show up to change the flavor yet again.

quote:

I’m actually wondering if there is a way for lifestylers and non-lifestylers to co-exist and/or if they should.

Just my opinion, but I suspect that a lot of the so called lifestylers merely call themselves that as a form of merit badge they can use to identify with others in "the community" though in reality they are no more lifestylers than you are and may be even less so. For example, I recall a thread some months ago where folks were defining themselves 24/7 simply by virtue of being able to think about their relationship even if they were at work or even away from their partner on business. To me, that is pretty flimsy justification to adopt such a seemingly serious label; although saying your 24/7 sure sounds impressive, it is really nothing more than saying you're in a relationship. Whoopie!

So I really don't care for semantic mutations as I believe occurs with the use of 24/7 or the term lifestyle; I also think it sounds so limiting as though somebody has no other interests. I also don't care for the knocking of wannabes -- first, that usually comes from folks that I can't imagine any "wannabe" wanting to emulate; second, everyone has to learn sometime; and third, there are plenty of experienced lifestylers who are still knuckleheads.

If there is a point to all this, it is that the distinctions between lifestylers and non-lifestylers aren't as great as some may portray them. So I wouldn't worry about it.

_____________________________

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live." . . . Mark Twain

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 7:56:19 PM   
AAkasha


Posts: 4429
Joined: 11/27/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I’ve been perusing these boards for over a year now. As many regulars know, I don’t consider myself a lifestyler—that is a person who lives a bdsm lifestyle—I do not define my personal relationships in a D/s or M/s dynamic.

For those who don’t know me, I am a natural dominant woman who is attracted to other naturally dominant assertive people, more often then not men, who generally like it when I take the lead in the relationship, especially in intimate matters. I am also an inherently kinky woman who has very little limits in regards to sexuality and has a penchant for sadomasochism as both a top and a bottom.

I do not live by any lifestyle code. I have my own ideas of what safe and consensual means which may or may not jive with people in the lifestyle. I have my own ideas on a lot of things that may or may not jive with people in the lifestyle. I also know that there is a lot of disagreement between people in the lifestyle which is normal. But what I'm trying to get at is that I really don't care inherently that rules get figured out. My naturally dominant side doesn't care for anyone else's rules or protocol. Just like I am an atheist and an agnostic and I don’t really follow any God-like figure’s rule.

So what am I and what am I doing here, right? I’ve been asking myself that question lately to be honest. I look at the relationships dynamics described on the boards and I have to say, though I totally respect everyone’s right to live out their relationship the way they want, I cannot relate to 90% of you. I read the posts lately and I really feel like “what on earth do I have to contribute to this”. I have to say, it hasn’t always been this way, otherwise I have no idea how I would have tallied up this many posts! It seems these boards haven’t always been so “lifestyle” oriented. Or maybe I was just clueless.

Now this is in no way, shape or form a rant. If the natural direction that collarme is going is to cater to lifestylers, then so be it. The name of the site signifies a strong lifestyle statement—Collar me—so it would seem only natural, right?

I’m actually wondering if there is a way for lifestylers and non-lifestylers to co-exist and/or if they should. I often get the feeling that many lifestylers view us non-lifestylers as players and wannabees. Now this isn’t going to affect in any way, shape or form how I view myself or my relationship dynamics, but it does affect how I interact on here. The tension isn’t super obvious but I feel it underlying and that is why I bring it up, not to point fingers at anyone but rather so that we can openly and honestly discuss it.

- LA


I define myself pretty much the same as you do (we seem to have a lot in common, even down to our lust for hockey), and I have an observation to add that may or may not be true. How many of the "lifestylers" that see "non-lifestylers" as players or wannabees are actually people who really don't have any real, longterm bdsm relationship experience at all -- and what they are thumbing their nose at is a relationship dynamic that isn't "bdsm enough" for them, and so they settle for the alternative -- nothing -- and wait for it to come along. Because generally I think most of the "lifestylers" that I know are legitimately doing bdsm in a power exchange dynamic for the long haul don't seem to have the 'domlier than though' (or whatever) vibe as just the random posters who come out of nowhere. Of course, there are exceptions.

It's like kinky people log on and start learning online and when it comes time to sort of identify themselves, they choose to go to the top of the list as they see it, the most "real", it's gotta be real, hey, it's LIFESTYLE, it's the real deal, sign them up! But their real life experience is limited to online or nothing -- that's not to say they are fakers, liars, or players -- they know what they want but haven't "found" it yet. But they don't dare label themselves as anything that won't be taken seriously. Or, their eyes are bigger than their stomach.

There is no appropriate term, I think, for people like you and me. Like you, I gravitate toward people as aggressive or dominant as me in relationships, but I must have the sadomasochistic "fix" -- so much so that I can't give it up, and it exists like an undercurrent in my life with spikes of activity and intensity, broken up by short periods of time where my batteries recharge. But I have never wanted a man to be "submissive" to me as the key dynamic to my relationship, I don't want to be "in charge" but I am not submissive either. I'm into equality. But when I am actually domming, it's incredibly intense and the power exchange is 100% there.

A day does not go by that a femdom fantasy does not at least pop into my head, there is not a time in my life - ever -- that seeing a man in some sort of restraint hasn't flipped a switch inside of me to either perk my interest at the last, or completely turn me on.

The lifestylers that live a 24/7 dynamic do have completely different issues and things to discuss than someone like me, I can totally understand that. But I wonder how many times these issues are brought up in these forums and most of the responses are hypotheticals from people because they really aren't living it, but they hold it as their ideal. And, I think newbies kind of feel like they won't be taken seriously if they don't aim for the top.

If anything, watching the dynamics change around here is interesting, and watching other discussion groups also. It has changed so much in 10 years, and I definitely think in 1995, 96, 97 on the bdsm newsgroups there wasn't even close to a division between "lifestyers" and non-lifestylers, and no one dared lump non-lifestylers into a category of less serious about their kink or less real.

I know what I have makes me tremendously happy. You know what, if I could have a femdom dynamic 24/7 and have that "rush" the entire time, sure, of course I would go for it! But that's like presuming I can just have constant intense sexual and sensual relations with little or no breaks and 15 orgasms a day. It's a nice "fantasy" but in reality, my play is intense and I need breaks. I prefer the build up, I prefer the subtle femdom flirtations that thread one "release" to the next. In fact, I like the little breaks spread out sometimes on purpose so it can be even more intense.

There's room for all kinds of bdsm'ers -- the trick is, helping people accurately define what it is they are, and what it is they seek. I don't think a lot of people here know -- or care.

Akasha

_____________________________

Akasha's Web - All original Femdom content since 1995
Don't email me here, email me at [email protected]

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/14/2005 8:08:43 PM   
Rover


Posts: 2634
Joined: 6/28/2004
Status: offline
Please indulge me my two cents (sensitive eyes/ears may wish to turn away):

1. What constitutes "the lifestyle" (historically, the "leather lifestyle" but renamed "BDSM" in the early eighties to escape the association with the organized lifestyle's exclusively gay origins, and be more representative of the transition to being inclusive and pansexual) is generally recognized to be comprised of two branches (as it were).... sensation play or SM (the vast majority of lifestylers) and power exchange relationships (a minority, and relatively recent mutation).

2. There is no recognized and universally accepted "lifestyle code" that each of us (or even the majority of us) live by. Not now, and not then (ie: not even the "Old Guard"). The lifestyle is what we make of it, each of us individually. It does not descend upon us like the Holy Spirit turning each of us into little clones, all spewing the same mantra (it's the internet that does that).

3. In order to be a member of any group, one must first identify with and accept themselves as part of that group (the only exception to that rule is the AARP). If you do not identify with being a "lifestyler", nor accept yourself as such, then you're not. We're not peeking into your windows, deducting dues from your paycheck, or sneaking into your home and depositing a membership card into your wallet (or purse, as the case may be).

4. If you're judging "the lifestyle" by what you read on internet bulletin boards, I'm stunned that you can admit to identifying with even 10 % of what you read. Ok, it frightens me a little too. Not because you're a scary person (I don't even know you), but because what I read online has so little resemblance to real life (and real time) that it is indelibly marked with "fiction" (special thanks to the folks at Sharpie).

5. Bulletin boards of all kinds (online, offline, BDSM, vanilla, religious, etc.) don't "cater" to anyone. In point of fact, bulletin boards don't "do" anything. People do. The topics, replies, etc. reflect the thoughts, opinions, fantasies (in short, creations of all kinds) of the members of Collarme (presuming we all identify with and accept said membership, and were not forced to join at the business end of a gun).

6. Historically, "collars" were representative of SM "ownership" (in a rigid, military style heirarchal organization in which each member entered as a bottom) and existed (in a lifestyle sense) long before the concepts of D/s, M/s (and other forms of power exchange relationships) evolved (coincidental with the emerging participation and acceptance of heterosexuals into the organized lifestyle). Today, collars still represent "ownership" to many (most?). But to others, they are simply a toy, a tool, a prop... to be used for scening purposes (or, as in the case of "posture collars", for training purposes). To find any significant meaning to the term in a modern day website's name is completely out of context.

7. Anyone that disparages SM sensation players (absent an ongoing power exchange relationship) are demonstrating an ignorance of our lifestyle's verifiable and documented history, an intolerance of the personal preferences and choices of the majority of "lifestylers" (I guesstimate that fully 75% of lifestylers are sensation players alone), and a narrow-mindedness that begs the question... who's really the "player" and "wannabe"?

I know that I can be a bit of a wallflower, and have some difficulty fully expressing myself or conveying my opinion (yeah, it's my opinion... not a proclamation from on high, regardless of how it may "sound" in print). So if anyone has a question, I'd be pleased to elaborate.

John

P.S. - I'm available for parties, bar mitvahs, weddings and wakes.


< Message edited by Rover -- 8/14/2005 8:15:30 PM >

(in reply to LadyAngelika)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> The non-lifestyler perspective Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.078