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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 8:47:32 PM

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"Black Men Must Take Responsibility"

I happen to know more than a few black men who take responsibility for there actions. If you ask me, it's more important to see that ALL Men take responsibility. After all, taking responsibility is not a race thing.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 8:55:41 PM

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I have strong passionate opinions about race but it's Christmas so I kept it light while enjoying what others have written.

But seriously, I could use that vile and a nice big butt chubby white girl at my feet too, actually any race as long as she's chubby with a big butt and cute.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:05:34 PM

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You sure do read alot more into what someone posts. Socio-economics is the reason, but notice the Socio part in that. Cultures have alot to do with economics, whether people want to admit it or not. Would you care to compare the economic status of Blacks and Hispanics? It will kind of fall apart if you base it just on economics, but if you include cultural and sociological things, it starts to make more sense.

You can give alot of excuses to fail at something, but then you have people succeed in the same environment, and then you have to look at the individual level.

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This is a good reason why what?

If you compared both groups economically, the single white female bunch would fair better than the other groups... want to know why? Because they have more access to education, jobs, and cultural capital, that is why...

And another thing, it is very hard to build families when historically speaking there were things that happened to your community that did not lend themselves to monogamous lifelong relationships with an involved man on the scene... historically slavery set up the situation in which Black men were not in the position to be "responsible" fathers... not to mention that socio economically it has been harder to establish one's self in a job that one can afford to care for a family. The sex drive being what it is, people make the babies anyways... and if you think that is "wrong", well people make babies no matter what, it is called the biological imperative.

Now seeing that schools are funded at the local level by property taxes, the schools in certain areas are way underfunded... it is pretty damn hard to break out of that environment. If you aren't raised knowing how to get a good job, an education, and you know absolutely no one to help you advance... it probably is going to be pretty darn hard for you to do so... especially for the person of average intellect.

If you do not think so, well strip yourself of all your connections.. take your cell phone, your car, your education.. and we will drop you in East LA, tell you to make your own way out... but just to make it interesting... if you do manage to get out, we will add cops to harass you where ever you go to boot.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:10:56 PM

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Hey I don't like these cards!!! I want a new deck, a new deal and a new dealer!!!

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:23:12 PM

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You sure do read alot more into what someone posts. Socio-economics is the reason, but notice the Socio part in that. Cultures have alot to do with economics, whether people want to admit it or not. Would you care to compare the economic status of Blacks and Hispanics? It will kind of fall apart if you base it just on economics, but if you include cultural and sociological things, it starts to make more sense.

You can give alot of excuses to fail at something, but then you have people succeed in the same environment, and then you have to look at the individual level.

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I have spent a lot of time learning about these things, the economic part, the socio part, and the cultural part.

I know that most people that blather on endlessly about how people need to be "responsible" would be no different from those they judge if they had to walk a mile in those shoes...

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:24:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

I have strong passionate opinions about race but it's Christmas so I kept it light while enjoying what others have written.

But seriously, I could use that vile and a nice big butt chubby white girl at my feet too, actually any race as long as she's chubby with a big butt and cute.

Well my ass has been called a flabby white girl booty on this board.... not that it matters since my ass is spoken for anyways...lol

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:26:02 PM

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"Black Men Must Take Responsibility"

I happen to know more than a few black men who take responsibility for there actions. If you ask me, it's more important to see that ALL Men take responsibility. After all, taking responsibility is not a race thing.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I would add all PEOPLE need to be responsible... there are some women that could take a lesson in being responsible for their kids too

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:29:54 PM

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How about if they walked a few miles? Your telepathy is not working. So with your all powerful knowledge, tell me why some black men are successful Fathers, and successfully educated, and successfully economically and others are not?

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You sure do read alot more into what someone posts. Socio-economics is the reason, but notice the Socio part in that. Cultures have alot to do with economics, whether people want to admit it or not. Would you care to compare the economic status of Blacks and Hispanics? It will kind of fall apart if you base it just on economics, but if you include cultural and sociological things, it starts to make more sense.

You can give alot of excuses to fail at something, but then you have people succeed in the same environment, and then you have to look at the individual level.

Live well,
Orion

I have spent a lot of time learning about these things, the economic part, the socio part, and the cultural part.

I know that most people that blather on endlessly about how people need to be "responsible" would be no different from those they judge if they had to walk a mile in those shoes...

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:36:23 PM

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How about if they walked a few miles? Your telepathy is not working. So with your all powerful knowledge, tell me why some black men are successful Fathers, and successfully educated, and successfully economically and others are not?

I have lived a rather colorful life, one that I have not spoken about extensively on cm..,. what made me better my life as an orphan, a single mom that split up with a junkie, what made me successful?

I came from a loving stable home, otherwise I would probably have failed, and almost gave up on improving myself because of the challenges I have had... and if you came from a stable loving home, you have an advantage even when hit with adversity. You have a road map for how to keep on keeping on. Those who escape generational poverty and go on to be successful have my deepest respect for their fortitude... but the reason such individuals are celebrated is because they are the exception and not the rule.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:39:17 PM

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.... my teen years were spent on the wrong side of the tracks

     Not very far across though, from the understanding you are displaying here. Let me put this into very simple terms, freebasing is incredibly fucking expensive, crack is dirt cheap.

       Manufacturing crack and converting good coke into smokeable forms are very different things. It isn't purity that causes the different levels of impact, but how the drug is delivered to the brain. The same is true of opiates and amphetamines as well. With crystal meth or heroin, for example, the manner of ingestion is entirely up to the user. Snort it, shoot it, smoke it, wrap it in a Kleenex corner and take it like a pill, addicts choice. Cocaine can't be smoked as a powder. There is more than one way to convert it.

     What you may have seen a chemist type spend a lot of money doing, is not where crack comes from.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:49:41 PM

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I understand the difference between freebasing with ether and rocking with baking soda

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:51:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

I have strong passionate opinions about race but it's Christmas so I kept it light while enjoying what others have written.

But seriously, I could use that vile and a nice big butt chubby white girl at my feet too, actually any race as long as she's chubby with a big butt and cute.

Well my ass has been called a flabby white girl booty on this board.... not that it matters since my ass is spoken for anyways...lol

I know! No fair!

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/12/2007 9:56:01 PM

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a nice big butt chubby white girl at my feet too, actually any race as long as she's chubby with a big butt and cute.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/13/2007 3:03:15 AM

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I get a kick out of these stats because the way that Whites are treated by law enforcement and the justice system is drastically different than what Blacks experiece. The crime of having a bag of cocaine carries a lot less of a penalty tha crack cocaine... I wonder if they came down as hard on the Ken Lays of this world if the prisons would be filled with Whites...

Its got nothing to do with colour. Crack is seen as more addictive so it carries a heavier penalty. If you are charged with carrying crack, you face the same possible sentances.

Have you done both crack and powder cocaine? I have, and I can tell you addiction to cocaine is addiction to cocaine... one is just purer than the other, but there are other ways to get pure powder uncut coke... the sentence for pure cocaine should be the same as for crack.

And the sentence for crack cocaine deals with who uses it, which at one time was mostly Black men.

I am still waiting for White collar crime to be prosecuted with the same sort of passion that people put into the crimes of the poor and economically challenged. Because I tell ya, criminality isn't a Black thing, it is a human thing.

Julia it`s your lucky week then. Three bankers from the UK have just been tried in America for fraud, involving share prices. Conrad Black, the media tycoon has been given six and a half years for much the same thing. In your supreme court this week there was a case upheld where a judge had given someone less of a sentance for possessing crack, due to the disparity with cocaine.

Well done for getting off drugs, i have two nephews who have just beaten cocaine habits, although they didnt use crack as far as i know, so i do have some idea of how hard it is. i posted on a previous thread that crack has become a big problem in more afluent areas of society but i was shot down in flames. Its good to know that you government is undertaking a study of crack use.

I still say that the disparity between the two drugs is because one is more addictive, but because it addicts people quicker, although you would know better than I.

As for being born the wrong side of the tracks, its not all bad and i did have a smile seeing someone say that, people from more affluent areas of society are better educated ( True ) and generally nicer ( Not what i have found ) So maybe early background has a bigger influence than we think. Even when we have escaped it.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/13/2007 3:04:52 AM

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I have spent a lot of time learning about these things, the economic part, the socio part, and the cultural part.
I know that most people that blather on endlessly about how people need to be "responsible" would be no different from those they judge if they had to walk a mile in those shoes...

I believe that you dont know what you believe you know. lol
You are a product of a misguided idealistic Liberal arts education system that will twist and turn and face anyway possible to avoid seeing what is right before their eyes.
That is.......
Differences exist across racial/cultural boundaries and not all racial groups are equal.

It does NOT follow that persecution should result but it is almost certain that if policies are based on denying such truths then things will only get worse.
Mr Mugabe and Zimbabwe being about as perfect an example as it is possible to get.
Anyone who is interested take a look at what Ian Smith said when trying to maintain Rhodesia under white minority rule.
South Africa is going the same way as Zimbabwe.
When I hear liberals bemoaning say for example the starvation that now exists in Zimbabwe not once do they ever mention their part in bring it about. Why is that ?

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/13/2007 7:16:23 AM

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I still say that the disparity between the two drugs is because one is more addictive, but because it addicts people quicker, although you would know better than I

Crack reacts faster, it is more intense, but from what I have seen cocaine addiction is a cocaine addiction. People are willing to sell their souls for their habit. If one is addicted, they are addicted. I never got addicted to it... but my ex was addicted to everything white he could smoke or put up his nose.

Meth is worse than crack.

I do not know if people appreciate that it is White people that keep the drug trade flowing in both directions.... they make the ultimate profit off of it, and they are the largest percentage of customers... yet it is Black people that are disproportionately in prison...

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/13/2007 7:27:22 AM

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By the way, crack cocaine offences should no longer carry a longer penalty than 'white banker on a naughty spree' snow.

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. Sentencing Commission voted unanimously Tuesday to allow some 19,500 federal prison inmates, most of them black, to seek reductions in their crack cocaine sentences.

[...]

Roughly 3,800 inmates could be eligible for release from prison within a year after the March 3 effective date of Tuesday's decision. Federal judges will have the final say whether to reduce sentences.

Inmate family representatives and other advocates had said a Supreme Court decision on Monday could only improve chances the commission would address the long-criticized disparity in sentences for crack and powder cocaine offenses.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/11/cocaine.sentencing.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/13/2007 7:29:41 AM

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"Black Men Must Take Responsibility"

I happen to know more than a few black men who take responsibility for there actions. If you ask me, it's more important to see that ALL Men take responsibility. After all, taking responsibility is not a race thing.

I will take that further. ALL PEOPLE need to take responsibility and quite dragging out the big fat Book of Excuses, when they do stupid ass shit.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/13/2007 7:36:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

"Black Men Must Take Responsibility"

I happen to know more than a few black men who take responsibility for there actions. If you ask me, it's more important to see that ALL Men take responsibility. After all, taking responsibility is not a race thing.

I will take that further. ALL PEOPLE need to take responsibility and quite dragging out the big fat Book of Excuses, when they do stupid ass shit.

agreed

it solely should NOT fall on Black men to take responsiblility for majority of the ills of society. however all of man(woman)kind should take responsibility for their each and individual actions. no race should blame the other for their downfalls and problems. we created the problems and we're the solution.

my $0.02 for today

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/13/2007 7:41:46 AM

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Politesub53,

I don’t mean to sound rude, I really don’t, but every time I saw you post on this thread I wanted to say something, but did not, but now I can not hold it in any longer.

You are a str8 white male, what do you know about being discriminated against?

Don’t get Me wrong, I don’t doubt you have had one or two times in your life where you may have felt something, but until you experience someone elses life, you can not call on it.

Do you know what it feels like to get pulled over everytime you go out? For no reason other than your skin color? Do you know what its like to get searched at the border, everytime you go to see your family on the other side, bc your are dark? Do you know what its like to live in a Ghetto? Where nobody seems to care, but its more like they have given up hope.

Do you know what its like to not be able to trace your family tree, for the sole reason that your family was broken up and sold off by slave traders? Or should the blacks that are ancestors of slaves just get over it? After all, they were freed really only about 140 years ago, after 250 years of forced slavery, and murder and rape and whatever other things happened. Then they were kept in debt by the same people that owned them, working like dogs just to survive, trying to pay off a debt that was set up against them so it would never happen. And really they were not all freed until after the second world war, so that is more like 60 years ago, but oh yes, they still were not allowed to sit in certain places, or get a proper education, or any other basic human right,. And that was fixed how long ago? How hard was it, not long ago, and even in some places still, for a black male from that background to get a good job? One that can support a family.

Anyway, this post really has nothing to do with the main topic, as I already stated My views on that. I just find it very offensive when ppl don’t think. Just like when white people slam rappers and shit, “oh all they talk about is ghetto and drive bys”

CUZ THAT IS WHAT THEY LIVE, that is what they know. They know you don’t even have to do anything to end up in prison, if your skin tone is right and they need someone to pin it on, if you are poor and can not afford proper legal help.

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