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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/15/2007 6:36:42 PM

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I'd be inclined to date it more around the extermination of the Neanderthals, but I am not, of course, a highly trained and educated anthropologist. How about the Bantu Expansion, if anybody wants to get picky about Neanderthal v Homo Sapien DNA?

Dont quit your day job.

The Neanderthals died out some 30,000 years prior to the Saracens invading Spain and Italy.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/neanderthal.html

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/15/2007 6:50:56 PM

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Strumpet reminds me that most racial issues started in the early 17th century,

And 30,000 years ago would be before that, right? Right around the time modern humans arrived in Europe.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/15/2007 7:15:13 PM

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Strumpet reminds me that most racial issues started in the early 17th century,

And 30,000 years ago would be before that, right? Right around the time modern humans arrived in Europe.

Are you suggesting that the Neanderthal were wiped out by black people? White people? Puce people? Aliens? 9/11 conspirators? The Republican Party? Tree huggers?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/15/2007 7:39:06 PM

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How about just "different" people? I hope you aren't going to take the "only white people can be rascist" approach.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/15/2007 7:58:47 PM

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How about just "different" people? I hope you aren't going to take the "only white people can be rascist" approach.

Please review what I have written. I was simply responding to juliaoceania's question about which came first; socio-economic problems and discrimination, or fathers leaving their children.

You appear to be trying to derail my position and lead the topic down the garden path of irrelevancy, and I am not interested in playing your game with me as the whipping boy. If you have a position to make, please clarify this position and desist throwing red herrings or inarticulate attacks at me into the conversation.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/15/2007 8:07:35 PM

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You appear to be trying to derail my position and lead the topic down the garden path of irrelevancy,

ROFL. I must thank you for the good laugh. I will certainly acknowledge your expertise in such a forum tactic.

But I was simply raising a question to a statement (perhaps out of complete contex, but I read posts, not minds), that struck me as wildly inaccurate.

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RE: Black Men Must Take Responsibility - 12/16/2007 8:26:31 AM

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Getting back to the original topic- or at least attempting to-

I agree with Lady E and GreyArcher-race is s a human construct with alarmingly little basis in genetics. "Blacks" have more genetic diversity than any other race, while "Asians" have less- "whites" fall in the middle. What this means in reality is that if a white guy sees two black guys walking down the street, the likelihood is that he may share more genes with either of them than they do with each other.

Culture on the other hand- is another matter-and I'll certainly agree with the idea that if you'd take a white kid, dye him black, dump him in the inner city, he's have the same chance of success as anybody else. Hence, the OPs comment that black men need to take responsibility for their actions is in error- this is a societal problem- affects everyone.

So we've got a destructive culture going on here- for reasons that have been enumerated already in nauseating detail. Although Butch- having been in a courthouse in Norwalk, CT- a town with a large "black" population, if you think the courts serve as an impartial arbiter of justice with no regards to race- I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want you to look at. Remember- it's very hard to solve a problem if you can't admit that it exists.

So what doesn't work? Large vertically integrated housing projects without ownership involved. Renters don't take care of property the same way that owners do, hence a cycle of destruction and the culture replicates. What does work? Dispersal- take a struggling family and put them where their neighbors are successful, and odds are they'll learn how to be successful. Why hasn't this been done on a wider scale? Because it's more expensive up front, although if you reduce the prison population, I suspect that it's cheaper in the long run. Shouldn't be done on the basis of "race", could be done on a cultural basis though- i.e. do you identify with black culture or white culture? But this is a societal solution, and requires everyones input rather than finger pointing. And anybody that makes the argument that my property values will do down if a black family moves in gets to go to jail for discrimination. I'm tired of pandering to racist twaddle dressed up in economics.

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