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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/2/2008 9:28:15 PM

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Just the historian in my again. (yeah, yeah, big surprise I know)

Let's supposed that there was a slave training organization that went back hundreds of years. Why would that equal a BDSM slave training organization?

And, why wouldn't such an organization be a part of recorded history? After all, slavery is a well-documented part of history, going back to ancient times and was fully legal throughout much of the world until recent history. So what would be the need for the mystery surrounding some sort of formalized slave training? Just doesn't make sense to me.

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/2/2008 9:46:48 PM

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And, why wouldn't such an organization be a part of recorded history? After all, slavery is a well-documented part of history, going back to ancient times and was fully legal throughout much of the world until recent history. So what would be the need for the mystery surrounding some sort of formalized slave training? Just doesn't make sense to me.

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I would say that's precisely part of the point many have been making. There are holes in the rationale behind this belief large enough to drive busses through. As someone else said, it really comes down to a matter of faith. On the one hand, those of us who view it with great suspicion can't absolutely say such doesn't and hasn't existed. On the other hand those who believe they exist have no evidence of such... their belief is faith in something unseen yet hoped for.

My biggest criticism of it all is still what it has always been... why even hope for it, of what use would they be even if they did exist?

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/2/2008 9:57:13 PM

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My biggest criticism of it all is still what it has always been... why even hope for it, of what use would they be even if they did exist?

Absolutely! i don't get why it is such a big deal. Whether they did or didn't exist or even if they exist today, my life isn't going to be changed because of it. It could be interesting reading but, that's about all. Way back in this thread, i asked "Why should i care?" and i got an answer about how some people make claims of having such connections and lineage with these ancient houses and, again, i asked, "So what? What does that mean to me? People can claim anything they want and it means nothing to me."

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/3/2008 9:47:45 AM

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an entire 8 pages....??? about me????
if you monitor my forum posts that closely you would have realised a few things.

1. i came onto this thread about page 6, so there are really only 2 pages.

2. i write my opinion and/or experience as it applies to the OP

3.i am generally disgusted and annoyed by most people.

you can disagree with my opinions all you want,, but when you go direspecting my opinions, then i may defend, when people voice opinion about me personally, i will defend.

and as far as anger goes, you know nothing of my anger. i get angry when i take my car to the mechanic and pay him, and then i drive away having the same problem, then i get angry. when i see someone beating their children, i get angry. on here, its more disgust than anger.

insecurities? work on your own before you try to analise mine via types words on an internet forum

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/3/2008 10:06:34 AM

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i heard cock fighting still goes on, i even saw it on the news, but that doesnt mean i can direct you to the nearest cock fight.

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/3/2008 10:14:46 AM

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The closest I have ever come to any legitimate "house" is my former Master's "Gentlemen's Club". They would sit around smoke cigars, drink brandy, and share submissives/bottoms. Each and every one of the men there were all invited and you had to attend more than once to take part in anything other than the cigars or brandy. It was a good time...but they never gave it more historical import than it deserved. Looking back, I can see that they all had a lot in common...polyamorous, middle age, well-to-do, and a dislike of loud music were a few of the driving commonalities. But, it was just a club like anything else, and they never pretended otherwise.

I always assumed that the "houses" thing came from "The Story of O"...a book I've never particularly cared for. The "houses" are a way of being an elitist and attribute BDSM activity some sort of ancient history. Just the mention of them brings up a picture of the movie "Eyes Wide Shut".

You know, I always thought that the "Ancient Houses" was also a nod to the Free Masons. Of course, that could be my imagination and everything else always attributed to the Free Masons.

This is one of the only things that I really hate about CR...the whole "house" thing is a big pile of...well, you know.

Sounds like -My- kind of club, it'd never take over here in blighty though-brits are too boring.

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/18/2008 10:35:40 PM

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History has proven over and over again that secrets can be kept effortlessly, especially in regards to men and women over issues of sex and love. Jilted lovers never reveal secrets, the media and scandal mongers never repeat those secrets, and the public in general has no interest in such tawdry tales.

Secret houses are as real as leprechauns and no I can't prove they don't exist either...

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/20/2008 4:07:47 PM

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There are secret training houses on Mars. Elvis says so.

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/20/2008 5:14:25 PM

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Just the historian in my again. (yeah, yeah, big surprise I know)

Let's supposed that there was a slave training organization that went back hundreds of years. Why would that equal a BDSM slave training organization?

And, why wouldn't such an organization be a part of recorded history? After all, slavery is a well-documented part of history, going back to ancient times and was fully legal throughout much of the world until recent history. So what would be the need for the mystery surrounding some sort of formalized slave training? Just doesn't make sense to me.

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Exactly.

If it were a really old program then surely it existed when slavery was legal. Surely it would be mentioned in some sources and I'm guessing some traditionally and professionally trained historians would have researched and written about it by now.

The only way it would be a secret would be if it was illegal, meaning that it was happening in a culture when slavery was illegal and perhaps dealing with people who did not consent but were kidnapped or enslaved by drug use or such a thing.

Either one of those though is not what BDSM is about -- remember BDSM is about consent, even those who hate SSC still may use RACK for which "consent" is still a major factor.

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/20/2008 5:41:08 PM

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the point i am trying to get across is:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
there are many things in this world that go on without our knowledge.

Why do people insist on obtfuscating this issue with existential garbage?

There is a possibility that there is a planet made of choclate, gummy bears, and candy canes. None of us can prove a negative.

However, if your going to make a decree to the public as to being an inhabitant of this planet and thus deserving of some kind of special degree of respect or fame because of it, you better be able to prove it.

The fact that a possibility still exists, because nobody can prove a negative to the issue of the Houses is nothing but a weak argument that only serves to distract people from the facts.

Those facts being that every web site, BDSM "educational source", internet looney, or even in the case of Rover's article, BDSM rock star who has made this claim has provided nothing to support it.

Zip, zero, nadda, nothing.

Where I live, we call that "Bullshit".

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RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training - 1/20/2008 11:48:16 PM

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7 billion people strong - lawl. Someone sumwhere is more organised than you and has been running it for hundreds to thousands (eesh longer!?) of years. Get over it. Do your own thing. Start your own club w/e.

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