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The goth subculture has not one thing to do with non conformity. People into it conform to goth subculture.
Spoken like someone who is utterly clueless about what is or isn't Goth.
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...when groups of people all gravitate to the same set of asthetics based and then hang out together, that is not called being yourself or non conformity.
Oh, like kinksters who congregate together with other kinksters on a message board forum? So you're saying we're all slavishly conforming to the BDSM aesthetic and we're not expressing ourselves at all? Right then.
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Im not saying its bad to look goth,
No, you said that, for Goths to wear fetish clothing such as collars and corsets if they're not really into BDSM, "annoys" you. You didn't come right out and say "it's bad to do X" but the implication of your statement was fairly clear.
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but the genre is based heavily on catholic imagery and extremely eurocentric artistic genres, which makes it as tied to mainstream western culture as Britney Spears.
Actually, Goth evolved from the Punk movement of the 1970s. Yes, there were a lot of UK bands involved in that. However, Goth fashion aesthetic derives as much from ancient Egypt (take a look at Siouxsie Sioux's makeup), the Renaissance, Victorian, and Steam Punk eras as from the Catholic imagery of the Medieval period. If you want to, you can say that nearly all mainstream music is based on Eurocentric, religious imagery. This hardly equates to a failure to be innovative. After all, Wolfgang Mozart and John Milton were deeply ensconced in Eurocentric, religious forms of artistic expression.
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You're not really goth if you shop only at hot topic? You're not really goth if you hang out at the mall?
See my previous post re: the difference between Kindergoth and Mall Goth.
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Now that is some serious BS. No one judges my wardrobe choices like goths. I like lace and corsets and all, but Im not white or christian and I cant really justify venerating someone else's heritage to the degree that I dress gothic every day.
I've seen Goths in Mandarin dresses and Indian sarees as well as leather collars and velvet corsets. I've seen Goths in kilts and I've even seen Goths in kimono and kabuki-inspired makeup. If your point is that you don't know much about Goth fashion, you're making quite well. If you're trying to make the point that Goths are all cookie-cutter copies of each other...you fail.
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But its goths that will make assumptions and tell them to me about how Id be so shocked by how dark they are or how edgy I am not because I wear bland clothing.
Not that there aren't immature brats in the Goth scene. Adolescent know-it-alls abound everywhere and one can find a plethora of them at Hot Topic. When they start telling me how "dark" or "extreme" they are, I just smile and nod. Once, a little baby bat said he'd probably break me if he played with me. The people in the room who knew me started laughing. But I digress... It simply isn't worth my time to let them irritate me.
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My annoyance with them is minor- If they dress like that then I want to play, but often they dont want to. They have their uses of course. If not for them, then anyone who bought fetish wear would be automatically outed.
You know, it's probably not your clothes that brings out the catty in the Goths you've met. It's your snide, judgmental attitude. If I met you at a club and you came at me with it, I wouldn't want to "play" with you either. I'd probably tell you my thigh-high, 5" spike-heeled, black patent boots and my riding crop were just "fashion accessories" too.
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