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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/26/2007 8:23:04 PM   
vegeta


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Status: offline 		I have no problem with the goth culture dressing kinky. I love women in crsets and the goth girls are much more attractive than these Emo kids now adays.

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/27/2007 12:24:06 AM   
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but people hit on it early on Goth is a subculture. a lot of the Goth's you see at clubs have a sort of attitude because it is a club scene. Most gothic people will not shove anything in your faces.

As for hot topic and goth (easy and lazy costume pieces shopping.). A lot of goths i know make their own clothing. This is where the indivuduality comes in.

Goth and BDSM. You can be both, i am , and i loves it. Dark romance and D/s mostly for me.

Corsets are a perk to wear in both. In the BDSM culture its a nice boding expirence with your submissive.

in the gothic subculture a bow down to the Victorian ages.

Collars have been around before both, but when a goth who isn't into BDSM in any sense wears one its a Choker. Jewelry.

Goths wear black, but not only black but what ever the fashion calls for. Jewel tones are very popular as well.

but the key to the subculture is all in a intellectual and adoration of the darker romances in life, and death.


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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/27/2007 2:31:07 AM   
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I am considered "goth" by most... except the "goths" who don't like those of us that like to wear fangs... oh I could go on for hours about how this type of goth doesn't like that type of goth... there are just as many differences in goth types as there are in BDSM types...  one really cannot generalize about goths.


And that i find so stupid, i mean if one is part of a lifestyle that say they are about standing out from the crowd, and going one's own way, then why should one can what way others go. i do not wear fangs, i am very proud of my teeth strong enough to crush nuts and not taking damage and i am terrified about damaging them whit proteases. i hover do not have anything against if pepole want to wear fangs or anything else, i worry about me and let others be.

i wish you well


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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/27/2007 2:37:26 AM   
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One thing about collars you can see them on many non BDSM porn movies to. And in Norway when a women is dressing extra sexy she often wear a tight choker. This has become so much a trend that cloth chokers whit or whiteout a pendant are often called a whore's ribbon. Collars are sexy pain and simple and many wear them just becouse of that. Some also wear them just to chock their parents and society in general.

i wish you well


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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/27/2007 6:10:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		UMMM  faerytattoodgirl several of those links of online stores do take paypal if you would have bothered to look,  my son has often taken the via train or greyhound  bus into Toronto  I live in a small city 1 1/2 hours to 2 hours away.   out by London Ontario, I used to do the same before I had a car so getting into TO is not an excuse. Most online places such as ebay or online stores provide measure instruction to help  ensure items fit, so I follow and use a tape measure in order to the make sure what I want fits and I check the return policies  and shipping info/fees first, and for ebay check the buyers comments to see if there is any trend to problem  before making a decision to buy.

I don't exactly have a bunch of fet stores in my farm community here, if I want something instead of whining and complaining I get off my butt and find a way to get it, because whining gets people no where in life, I walked out of an abusive marriage at 21 with an infant son and what ever clothes I could carry and rebuilt a life with no child support coming in and no post secondary education under my belt,  by the time I was 32 I bought a house, had it fully furnished and had my own car, if had whined and built excuses instead I would have still been on the welfare system, when I was the age you are know my job became very unstable I was only work 3 out of every 5 weeks to ensure I did not lose want I spent years working for I started a home based business to help keep me financially afloat, which got me through the next 6 years until my job was safe and stable again.  I was not born with the silver spoon in my mouth , I got what I wanted in life planning what I wanted and figuring out ways to make it happen, it does not always happen overnight, sometimes there are setbacks in the plans but eventually I do get there as long as the plans are realistic.  So as I used to tell my son ......What are you going to do to make it happen ?


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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 11/30/2008 2:49:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. This is an interesting discussion. I would have never thought there was so much distain toward the Goths or Gothic Industrial subculture HERE!!

As a photographer that shoots primarily for alternative periodicals and websites, like GodsGirls, BlueBlood, Gothic Beauty, DeviantNation and the like I am really shocked. Now that I am getting the gist of this conversation/thread, I can only think that one of the reasons I am having issues is I see so many unsaid overlaps.

For instance, I live in the mid-west (some would say south). In both sub-cultures you often have to hide your affiliations in your day job. In both cases, you are considered "kink" and plastered as a "freak" by much of mainstream culture. If I am on a forum on BlueBlood, or Gothic Beauty, or ModelMayhem and a discussion comes up about fetishes, fetish fashion always is the first thought. Some of the models I deal with are into the fashion only, some are into the lifestyle, either way they look great and promote the lifestyle to a larger audience.

This reminds me of Stonewall era homosexual politics. When there were a number of homosexual men that didn't want to come out from the underground, that were happy with being in bathroom stalls and closed door clubs. That hated anything having to do with "outing" and hated anything having to do with their lifestyle having any sort of social significance. They luckily lost, and now we have even failed attempts to make tolerance an acceptance - but at least an attempt.

Wouldn't it be nice to talk about your BDSM escapades the same way that vanilla couples and folks talk about it over lunch at the office?


I am sure I am going to be flamed for this, but really. The Goths are the front line, and why not they essentially look GREAT!


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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 11/30/2008 3:23:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

The "goth" subculture is more about a reaction to how uniform our culture has become. Goths tend to revel in darker passions, but really aren't into kink. They'll sit and read Poe, or Lovecraft, or Stoker, and listen to tons of The Cure, and Peter Murphy and many, many others. The general idea is to set yourself apart from the herd. This is a sentiment that I actually find appealing.

Generally, it's about the fun of looking extreme, like you are a member of the Addams Family, while enjoying the company of others who enjoy the whole ovure as well.

Yes, the appropriate a lot of our symbols. They also draw a great deal from the Victorian and Edwardian era. (I suspect "Sweeny Todd" with revitalize the clubs for some time to come.) But it's all relatively harmless.




Funny how uniform the goth culture is. Frankly, it's a lot more uniform that the rest of us.

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 11/30/2008 3:32:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's amazing, the types of little things that upset people. Does anyone else like to sit back and laugh at some of these things that we humans do?

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 11/30/2008 6:06:52 PM   
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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 2:23:19 AM   
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can't someone just wear stuff because they like it?
like those japanese businessmen back in the 90s who were always decked out in cowboy gear =p

i've had a thing for corsets since WAY before i was ever in any sort of BDSM-related situation. corsets didn't come from BDSM, they are a historical garment with a long history and skillions of fans, whether they're "lifestyle" or not =p
it's really really silly to assume that wearing a corset means anything more than just that =p

for the other stuff, alot of it is aesthetic, and if you ask the people why they're wearing them, they'll give you answers ranging from "it's cool," to some sort of over the top intellectualized explanation =p to each their own. i really don't see why it matters =p haha
if you're annoyed by what other people wear, just take two breaths, calm down and keep walking =p

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 7:05:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Everything we wear is a costume, a mask; different costumes, masks look different to different people. 
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Absolutely!  When I use to ride motorcycles I would appear in the same places sometimes in black leathers and heavy boots and other times in a blue pinstripe suit and Italian shoes.  What I loved was watching who would and wouldn't move out of my path depending on "who" I was that day, the bad ass biker or the powerful businessman.  Some would move out of my way dressed one way but not another, some would move no matter what I was wearing.

I long ago put clothes into the "tool" category, selecting what I was going to wear, "who" I was going to be, in order to achieve whatever effect or impact I desired.

As for Goth, they are hot, look at BSB's hair and makeup as it has slowly shifted darker.  YUMM!  They are also very young and as a broad generalization, they have not had the time to explore their sexuality deeply but many do come around years later to explore some bit of BDSM.  Besides, it isn't like we invented any of this crap, we simply adopted it, just like they did.  I am sure somewhere there are Goth's complaining about how we sexualize what they wear and how pathetic we are for doing so.

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 7:48:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		not all of them are young, the "hot topic crowd" tends to be, but then again if you ask alot of people who identify as Goth, they wouldn't consider those kids actually "Goth" anyway =p
all the labelling is kinda funny =p
but i've known people who've indentified that way since the 80s, and they still do, even though they're in their 40s or so. so i wouldn't say it's necessarily an age/experience issue either.
they're just wearing what they want to wear. doesn't really matter =p

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 8:11:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the South Park episode on goth vs. vampire culture should be required watching. Anybody see it?

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 8:20:22 AM   
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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 8:34:33 AM   
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Pet peeve at these type of clubs: the guys who come up tome to talk tome wearing a collar. The converstation is as follows"

"I see you are owned..."
"What?"
"This collar," *touched collar* "you are owned"
*blank stare* "oh! no....it just means...well...that I am a sub...."
*stoney silence*
"well...? um...."
"No, thank you"

Before anyone gets in a huff, yes I get wearing a collar for show is not some sort of capital crime, its just not what I look for...as I tell the men who press me further- "Collars should lock"



This just makes it seem like you're way hung up on having everything go exactly your way. IE submissives don't get to wear a collar unless they are owned and that collar better lock, by God.

It doesn't work that way in the real world. People wear whatever makes them feel good or sexy or what have you. You could open your own dungeon where you make the rules right down to dress code but beyond that, I think you need to let things go.

Why let something so trivial peeve you?


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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 8:42:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kitttty

I appear quite preppy and straight laced. 0 tattoos, never dyed my hair, no odd peircings, boring clothes from the GAP.

I always found the goth subculture weird because so many people who wear clothing that is totally erotic in an SM type way have no interest in BDSM. I look at some of them them and wonder how they wear a latex corset and a collar without any interest in BDSM. I know Im not right to feel so, but they honestly kind of annoy me. Basically I dont get them. I get people that are into BDSM and goth culture, but the latter without the former is plain weird to me.

If you are into the goth subculture, how common is it for people in that scene not to be into BDSM in any way?


My daughter is Victoriandustrial, which is a sub-culture of Goth. She's not really into BDSM (though she is bossy and her companion knows who's boss between them). She is, however, into fetish dress, and designing fetish dress. I joke with her that she is more her momma's daughter than she ever knew. She's an intensity-slut. She lives for the experience, and the more dramatic the experience the better. She has no interest in submitting to anyone or formally 'owning' anyone, but she enjoys re-shaping her body into something that fascinates her. She wears corsets, not because they're BDSM, but because they force her body into a certain shape. It's the same reason that she does scarification, piercing, tattooing, and colors her hair the way she does.

OTOH, we have some dear friends who are into BDSM, but wouldn't think, in a million years, about cutting/scarring/piercing/tattooing their bodies, wearing corsets (in fact, the one friend, a staunch feminist, laments my daughter's decision with comments about how women fought for years to get -out- of corsets!)

The two aspects are not mutually inclusive or exclusive -- they're just two aspects of interest within the -very- broad pool of 'alternative interests' that occasionally intersect.


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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 8:52:29 AM   
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the victorian bend is always quite nice :D

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/1/2008 10:42:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

Yes, and it's hilarious...per se.


Ha! Now, THAT's funny!

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RE: The gothic/industrial subculture - 12/2/2008 12:00:17 AM   
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How girl misses those days when such practices wouldn't get you arrested.

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RE: The Goth/industrial subculture - 12/2/2008 6:34:43 AM   
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She can play matchmaker for me :) but its hard to find a bi or gay goth.  ive looked.  its hard because most are half my age :) LOL :)



I would have said I had two of them at my house... unfortunately, one is multiply attached already, and the other one has sworn off relationships for life, or maybe longer (if it were the other one saying it, I'd say "shyeah, right...", but with this one, I actually believe it). Can't do much about the age thing, though... I let my DD take me to the NiN afterparty when they played Houston, and was the only person over 30 there.


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