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cyberdude611 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:09:31 PM)
Jesus Christ, I can tell many of you guys need to take a class in American government and constitutional law. Term limits for the presidency cannot be "declared unconstitutional" since they are part of the constitution (25th amendment). The Supreme Court interprets the constititution, it cannot change it. As for elections....please try to remember that the President of the United States is not directly elected by the people. The President is elected by the electoral college. If something were to happen where an election does not take place (or a winner is not decided), the 12th amendment states that the new president is chosen by the House of Representatives. The House goes into special session and each state caucus has one vote. The candidate with the majority of votes (26 votes in this case) would be elected president. This happened once... in the election of 1824, Andrew Jackson won more electoral votes than any other candidate. But he failed to gain a majority of all possible electoral votes. So the House made the choice and elected John Quincey Adams. We are a constitutional republic....NOT a democracy. It's been that way since 1790. The people don't elect the president. Your right to vote for president is given to you by your state constitution, not the federal government because the state is the one that places the votes in the electoral college. Your popular vote in each state determines which candidate gets those votes. This also assures that the states hold their power in the union. And that's why the electoral college will never be abolished. The states are never going to give up more power to the federal government.

dcnovice -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:11:25 PM)
quote: This happened once... in the election of 1824, Andrew Jackson won more electoral votes than any other candidate. But he failed to gain a majority of all possible electoral votes. So the House made the choice and elected John Quincey Adams. Didn't the House decide the 1800 election too?

Gwynvyd -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:20:25 PM)
Any one who thinks Bush will just calmly hand over the reins in Nov is nuttier then a fruit cake. We are ramping up with Iran, who has Putin and the Russians behind him, and now Pakistan is totaly destablized... Which is Russia's old enemy and punching bag... We stand at the brink of World War 3 and Dubya and his minions are just the meglomaniac morons to push it. Google Dominionism... That has been his main cause of all he has done over these years in office. Now that he destablized the Middle East even more, and stired up Al Qaeda to be angier then a hornets nest this crazy idiot thinks to try to bring about the second comming by his antics. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1587122,00.html If you know your bible well enough you can see that is what he is trying to do, esp after reading that. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2004/07/16/quote_of_the_day.html http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html With what once was our only solid ally Pakistan going down in flames, and Bhutto dead ( she was very Pro US, and was in fact raised in the US ) we are screwed as far as it goes with Russia and Pakistan. While everyone was bitching about Illegals, and Gays... no one noticed that this stupid sumobitch re-opened up the cold war. Yeah.. Russia is pissed. We want to put missle bases all of the EU, but esp near Russia ( go fig right?) and Putin didnt take too kindly to it. We had Condi and her lil flying monkey go over and meet with Putin over the matters, he made them wait 45 mins, and then blew them off, minorly insulted them, and in a couple of days after Condi and her buddy left Iran.. Putin showed up in Iran to state that who ever messes with Iran, messes with Russia. And finaly how the Republicans are stealing the vote in 08 ~using children as bait even.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdQ5mWaOLY Gwyn

cyberdude611 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:23:47 PM)
Yes, but that was before the 12th amendment and it was because that election was a giant mess. You think the 2000 election was bad? 1800 was ugly in many more ways.

Daddysredhead -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:30:29 PM)
Aylee, Level... tinfoil is not going to help us in this instance. We have somehow been transported to the basement of the science building. Titanium is the only way to go.

HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:40:00 PM)
Cyber, The amendment that added term limits was put in place by the Republican party after WWII because they wanted to prevent a Democratic President from being able to hold on to power as long as Roosevelt. In a strict sense regular elections by themselves should suffice in place of term limits. I could easily see the current Supreme Court declaring term limits to be provided for by the electoral process and therefore throwing out the 25th Amendment as being against the intent of the founding fathers. We have already seen power grabs by this administration on an equivalent level.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:47:40 PM)
First off....Bush isnt out of office until January 21, 2009. November is simply when the next president is elected. Second, we are not on the brink of WW3. Russia today is exactly the kind of country that Mikhail Gorbachev wanted the Soviet Union to turn into. He thought Russia would be stronger with more democratic elections and an open economy. He was right. But the Russians are not an enemy today nor will they be tomorrow. The leaders in Russia are not concerned with taking over the world with communism. The commies over there have morphed into capitalists and now they are more interested in making money than trying to win a war of ideas. Third, Pakistan has been a mess much longer than when we started getting interested in it. Musharaf is a dictator that came into power by a bloody coup. It hasn't been a stable country for years. Bhutto should have never returned in my opinion that soon. We were on the right track by pushing Musharraf towards elections. But for her to go back and make deals with Musharraf, it angered people even in her own party. She should have waited for the next election cycle.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 5:55:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind Cyber, The amendment that added term limits was put in place by the Republican party after WWII because they wanted to prevent a Democratic President from being able to hold on to power as long as Roosevelt. In a strict sense regular elections by themselves should suffice in place of term limits. I could easily see the current Supreme Court declaring term limits to be provided for by the electoral process and therefore throwing out the 25th Amendment as being against the intent of the founding fathers. We have already seen power grabs by this administration on an equivalent level. The Supreme Court does not have the power to declare any part of the constitution unconstitutional.

CuriousLord -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 6:03:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ligar59 I was told that Pres Bush could declare Marshall law, which would suspend the elections indefinitely, thus allowing him to remain in office until he decided the "war" was over Tell me that is not possible Theoritically possible, but it sounds like conspiracy theory to me. If it happens, we'll deal with it, but I think the people talking about this are probably just trying to use fear tactics in their agenda. After all, Bush isn't the only idiot on Earth.

babygirl005 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 6:16:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd Any one who thinks Bush will just calmly hand over the reins in Nov is nuttier then a fruit cake. We are ramping up with Iran, who has Putin and the Russians behind him, and now Pakistan is totaly destablized... Which is Russia's old enemy and punching bag... We stand at the brink of World War 3 and Dubya and his minions are just the meglomaniac morons to push it. Google Dominionism... That has been his main cause of all he has done over these years in office. Now that he destablized the Middle East even more, and stired up Al Qaeda to be angier then a hornets nest this crazy idiot thinks to try to bring about the second comming by his antics. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1587122,00.html If you know your bible well enough you can see that is what he is trying to do, esp after reading that. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2004/07/16/quote_of_the_day.html http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html With what once was our only solid ally Pakistan going down in flames, and Bhutto dead ( she was very Pro US, and was in fact raised in the US ) we are screwed as far as it goes with Russia and Pakistan. While everyone was bitching about Illegals, and Gays... no one noticed that this stupid sumobitch re-opened up the cold war. Yeah.. Russia is pissed. We want to put missle bases all of the EU, but esp near Russia ( go fig right?) and Putin didnt take too kindly to it. We had Condi and her lil flying monkey go over and meet with Putin over the matters, he made them wait 45 mins, and then blew them off, minorly insulted them, and in a couple of days after Condi and her buddy left Iran.. Putin showed up in Iran to state that who ever messes with Iran, messes with Russia. And finaly how the Republicans are stealing the vote in 08 ~using children as bait even.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdQ5mWaOLY Gwyn I think you are showing who is the fruitcake here. Bush sure flexed his muscles when the Democrats took over the Senate and Congress didn't he? You guys are going to lose the next election the same way you lost the last two. By running poor candidates with no vision. You don't need any help. Estring

JohnSteed1967 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 6:19:37 PM)
Bush is corrupt, his whole family is corrupt. You want to feel safe, want to feel better about your place in America. Then I wouldn't click on the following sites http://web.archive.org/web/20041123092329/http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/ http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html yeah I am so sure Poppy Bush wants to keep us safe!

Estring -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 6:22:36 PM)
Time for your medication maybe?

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 6:47:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead Aylee, Level... tinfoil is not going to help us in this instance. We have somehow been transported to the basement of the science building. Titanium is the only way to go. Why oh why do I never get the good drugs. I never get to hallucinate about all this wacko stuff! I now have on my Titanium-beanie and Titanium-underoos!

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 7:06:17 PM)
Well at least one other person has studied the same civics things I have. It always baffles me how people can ignore the power of the Supreme Court, and do not understand the balance of powers written into the constitution. This is just one more senational thing, to cause fear in those that hate Bush. Those same people that seem to accuse others of using fear, in turn use it themselves. I see no difference in the cheerleaders from either side of the isle. quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Jesus Christ, I can tell many of you guys need to take a class in American government and constitutional law. Term limits for the presidency cannot be "declared unconstitutional" since they are part of the constitution (25th amendment). The Supreme Court interprets the constititution, it cannot change it. As for elections....please try to remember that the President of the United States is not directly elected by the people. The President is elected by the electoral college. If something were to happen where an election does not take place (or a winner is not decided), the 12th amendment states that the new president is chosen by the House of Representatives. The House goes into special session and each state caucus has one vote. The candidate with the majority of votes (26 votes in this case) would be elected president. This happened once... in the election of 1824, Andrew Jackson won more electoral votes than any other candidate. But he failed to gain a majority of all possible electoral votes. So the House made the choice and elected John Quincey Adams. We are a constitutional republic....NOT a democracy. It's been that way since 1790. The people don't elect the president. Your right to vote for president is given to you by your state constitution, not the federal government because the state is the one that places the votes in the electoral college. Your popular vote in each state determines which candidate gets those votes. This also assures that the states hold their power in the union. And that's why the electoral college will never be abolished. The states are never going to give up more power to the federal government.

Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 7:49:39 PM)
Bush has taken some odd steps with this Martial Law thing, but the laws still have a time of emergency and restoration of order requirement. Furthermore, Bush is commander in chief and the military will execute his commands but they are not blind robots. If he tried to pulled out the Martial Law clauses the military wouldn't follow those orders for very long unless he came up with some really good justifications and it would be turned off in a matter of days (weeks at the longest). Martial Law has been successful used in other countries to pull off a coup attempt, but those dictators had the full backing of the military in their efforts to overthrow the government. Our military will not support such an effort to overthrow our government.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 7:55:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: christine1 After 8 years of BS from a democrat party that's hell bent on losing a war in order to improve their election prospects I'm sure he can't wait until January 2009. No whining allowed when Manhatten, Phoenix or LA evaporates under an Iran built weapon. oh, there is a voice of reason still....somewhere! I knew I liked you!

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 7:58:42 PM)
I am giving $1000 to 1 odds that President Bush will not declare Marshall Law at the end of his term. So all those fearfull handwringers who believe that he will.... Time to put you money where your mouth is.

dcnovice -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 7:59:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: christine1 After 8 years of BS from a democrat party that's hell bent on losing a war in order to improve their election prospects I'm sure he can't wait until January 2009. No whining allowed when Manhatten, Phoenix or LA evaporates under an Iran built weapon. oh, there is a voice of reason still....somewhere! I knew I liked you! It's deja vu all over again.

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 8:26:07 PM)
We have left Crete and have now entered the de-milaterized zone!

Estring -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 8:47:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling Bush has taken some odd steps with this Martial Law thing, but the laws still have a time of emergency and restoration of order requirement. Furthermore, Bush is commander in chief and the military will execute his commands but they are not blind robots. If he tried to pulled out the Martial Law clauses the military wouldn't follow those orders for very long unless he came up with some really good justifications and it would be turned off in a matter of days (weeks at the longest). Martial Law has been successful used in other countries to pull off a coup attempt, but those dictators had the full backing of the military in their efforts to overthrow the government. Our military will not support such an effort to overthrow our government. In your muddled thinking process you have forgotten one important fact. George Bush is not a dictator. He will step down after serving as President for the last eight years. How that makes him a dictator is beyond me.

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