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Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:19:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

I am giving $1000 to 1 odds that President Bush will not declare Marshall Law at the end of his term.

So all those fearfull handwringers who believe that he will....

Time to put you money where your mouth is.


I'll bet a million to one he won't declare Marshall law. He spells better than that even if he doesn't
pronounce it worth a damn.

If that wasn't your intent and you meant martial law, I wouldn't make that bet if I were you. That
martial law clause is there to contain damage if we're hit by a biological weapon. Ie. Stay in your house
and wait for the military to drop off rations to you for the next 60 days or we'll shoot you for being too
stupid to live kind of thing.

That unfortunately, is still in the realm of possibility despite others calling it fear mongering.



And here I thought that the Marshall Law (Plan) ended in 1951.

Silly of me really.  Of course Bush is going to enact it again. 




Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:26:59 PM)

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)


On this thread,who do you think Ben ,would be refering to?
The bush lickers?Or the skeptics.

I don`t see Bush, not leaving in '09'.But nothing surprises me,with this crowd.The mafia doesn`t have a thing, on this bunch of crooks.




Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:28:11 PM)

 Reposted,b/c this thread fits so well....

Much has been said by the brave-heart, torture proponents.We`ve all heard the loaded question,"If you had a terrorist in custody,who had info about a bomb that would kill thousands,would you use torture to extract that vital info,in order to intervein and save American lives?

The question is unfair,because what other answer to a question like, could you give?Of course someone would say yes.

I have a question for the brave heroes, who say we need to torture people, in order to keep us safe.

We all know that these terrorists are the most religiously brainwashed and devoted nuts on earth.They beleive the whole thing,there`s no  atheists, in their ranks.They believe that being martyred, is a "get in heaven guaranteed card".They believe that each and every one of them, will somehow be presented with 72 virgins when they arrive in heaven,lol,plus a whole lot of other nonsense.The point is,the terrorists/jihadists believe this,to the point of death.They don`t get more crazy or committed,then that.

However,they believe that if they do anything homosexual,they won`t go to heaven.No datenut bread with hot tea, served by the 72 virgins,no de-flowering of the 72,or any of the other heavenly blessings.If they go gay,they get zilch.Doesn`t matter if it`s a fairy tail,the terrorist believe that shit,and it can be used against them.

The question now:

If there was a ticking time bomb,and you had the actual terrorist who planted it,in your hands,would you do homosexual acts on him,to make him talk.All you need to do is pull his pants down while he`s bound,and give him head,and he`ll give up the goods,because,to a Muslim,nothing`s worse then going the hell.

Would you brave ,heroic ,straight guys step up and suck cock for your country,if you knew it would save lives?

Luckydog,Sanity,Fatdomdaddy,etc.,we know you`re torture crazed,with Jack Bauer/24 fantasies of saving the day and all.If you knew that sucking and licking the junk of a terrorist would save thousands of Americans,would you suck and lick?

C`on tough guys,what would you do?




TheShadoeFox -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:32:52 PM)

I belive Winston Churchill said something similar during World War Two... which definately would have deserved total martial law more then anything going on right now. 




FirmhandKY -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:34:42 PM)



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Your best post.  

Ever.

Firm




Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:37:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY



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Your best post.  

Ever.

Firm



I think that I am in Lust!




Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:41:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Whether you want to admit it or not, we havnt been attacked since 9/11, And Al-Queda's global network has been limited. Prior to 9/11 they had global reach. Today, they can barely pull off an attack in their own region. You really think they wouldnt pull off an attack on American soil if they could? Of course they would.

If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed. But the liberals wont do that.... no, no... they find it more productive to go to TV, bash America left and right, and declare the war lost in order to gain votes and political power. Oh........but they still support the troops.... right?

....makes me want to puke.


If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed.

Nope.Our boys won the war.They did their mission,and shouldn`t have been given endless, imposible missions,forever(going on seven years now).It`s not fair them.

I would tell the GIs,thanks, you did a great job,sorry for lies and bullshit.

I wouldn`t tell them to impose democracy, at gunpoint.They weren`t trained for that.

It`s not a war, right now.It`s an occupation.Our soldiers, weren`t trained for that,either. 



 bash America left and right, 

Bashing Bush policy isn`t bashing America.You`re confused.
 
and declare the war lost in order to gain votes and political power.
 
You can`t even define what victory is,let alone be honest about the subject.And sorry to say,I`m not looking for votes or power,I want us out of Iraq.I`ll vote for Ron Paul,if there is a god,and he gets in.Screw your selfish bias.Our soldiers, could use a break.
 
 
Oh........but they still support the troops.... right?
 
That`s right buddy,by bringing them home and out of harms way.Sorry,that it`s lost on you.


....makes me want to puke.

You know,it didn`t think those were words coming out of your mouth,now I know.




Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:01:16 AM)

1.  They are not "boys."  They are men and women. 
2.  How do you know what they were trained for?
3. 
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I wouldn`t tell them to impose democracy, at gunpoint.

"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God)." (Note that the last sentence is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or moral objection, as is true of all oaths administered by the United States government)

Whether or not I believe that they are imposing a democracy by gunpoint, it is not your right or responsibility to give the orders.

4.  Occupation is something that happens in war.  Read up on history.  Try the term Vichy France. 
5.  Does the phrase, "All is not fair in love and war."  Mean anything to you?  Or perhaps try this bit of dialogue/;

Sarah: That's not fair!
Jareth: You say that so often. I wonder what your basis for comparison is.




ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:01:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Whether you want to admit it or not, we havnt been attacked since 9/11, And Al-Queda's global network has been limited. Prior to 9/11 they had global reach. Today, they can barely pull off an attack in their own region. You really think they wouldnt pull off an attack on American soil if they could? Of course they would.

If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed. But the liberals wont do that.... no, no... they find it more productive to go to TV, bash America left and right, and declare the war lost in order to gain votes and political power. Oh........but they still support the troops.... right?

....makes me want to puke.


If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed.

Nope.Our boys won the war.They did their mission,and shouldn`t have been given endless, imposible missions,forever(going on seven years now).It`s not fair them.

I would tell the GIs,thanks, you did a great job,sorry for lies and bullshit.

I wouldn`t tell them to impose democracy, at gunpoint.They weren`t trained for that.

It`s not a war, right now.It`s an occupation.Our soldiers, weren`t trained for that.


Since when where they not trained for it ? You don't think we occupied germany and japan for *years* after
hostilities ended ? Do you think our casualties ended on VJ day ? There was no one with real life experience left
in the military when this occupation started, that's different from "not being trained".

And with all due respect the troops know what the bullshit is and what is reality. They are *there*. Despite that
the military still votes majority republican implying they understand the current course is the one most likely to
result in the *least* casualties over the long term.

If we pull the troops out now, we'll just be back there in a year or two or ten.

I'm wondering if you're still going to complain about the troops being in Iraq when Hillary refuses to remove
them. She is an evil woman that may preside over the end of this nation (or merely our liberty) but she isn't
stupid enough to tie the fiasco that a troop pullout would cause around her own neck.





Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:07:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY



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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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Your best post.  

Ever.

Firm



Your truest complement.

Ever.

Thank you.




ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:22:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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We all know that these terrorists are the most religiously brainwashed and devoted nuts on earth.They beleive the whole thing,there`s no atheists, in their ranks.They believe that being martyred, is a "get in heaven guaranteed card".They believe that each and every one of them, will somehow be presented with 72 virgins when they arrive in heaven,lol,plus a whole lot of other nonsense.The point is,the terrorists/jihadists believe this,to the point of death.They don`t get more crazy or committed,then that.

However,they believe that if they do anything homosexual,they won`t go to heaven.No datenut bread with hot tea, served by the 72 virgins,no de-flowering of the 72,or any of the other heavenly blessings.If they go gay,they get zilch.Doesn`t matter if it`s a fairy tail,the terrorist believe that shit,and it can be used against them.

The question now:

If there was a ticking time bomb,and you had the actual terrorist who planted it,in your hands,would you do homosexual acts on him,to make him talk.All you need to do is pull his pants down while he`s bound,and give him head,and he`ll give up the goods,because,to a Muslim,nothing`s worse th[en going the hell.

Would you brave ,heroic ,straight guys step up and suck cock for your country,if you knew it would save lives?



No need too. Smear a piece of bacon on him or toss a genuine pigskin football to him has the exact same effect. By
his f-uped twisted view of islam he goes straight to hell no matter what good or evil he has commited his entire life.

Israel uses pot bellied pigs in some cases to sniff for explosives instead of dogs. If the black hats trigger the explosives
remotely during the search they spray pig blood and parts over a wide area condeming dozens to hundreds of their
supporters straight to hell. The pigs live a lot longer than the dogs.

Personally I'd train pigs to give BJ's. But that's my twisted sense of humor that gets me in trouble sometimes.
(and no, I wouldn't train them by example).




Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:28:32 AM)

 


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Whether you want to admit it or not, we havnt been attacked since 9/11, And Al-Queda's global network has been limited. Prior to 9/11 they had global reach. Today, they can barely pull off an attack in their own region. You really think they wouldnt pull off an attack on American soil if they could? Of course they would.

If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed. But the liberals wont do that.... no, no... they find it more productive to go to TV, bash America left and right, and declare the war lost in order to gain votes and political power. Oh........but they still support the troops.... right?

....makes me want to puke.


If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed.

Nope.Our boys won the war.They did their mission,and shouldn`t have been given endless, imposible missions,forever(going on seven years now).It`s not fair them.

I would tell the GIs,thanks, you did a great job,sorry for lies and bullshit.

I wouldn`t tell them to impose democracy, at gunpoint.They weren`t trained for that.

It`s not a war, right now.It`s an occupation.Our soldiers, weren`t trained for that.


Since when where they not trained for it ? You don't think we occupied germany and japan for *years* after
hostilities ended ?

 
  Do you think our casualties ended on VJ day ? There was no one with real life experience left
in the military when this occupation started, that's different from "not being trained".


See folks,this is what I meant,when I called them "~experts~" .

And with all due respect the troops know what the bullshit is and what is reality. They are *there*. Despite that
the military still votes majority republican implying they understand the current course is the one most likely to
result in the *least* casualties over the long term.

If we pull the troops out now, we'll just be back there in a year or two or ten.

I'm wondering if you're still going to complain about the troops being in Iraq when Hillary refuses to remove
them.


  So as well as being a military,foreign affairs,and political "~expert~",you can predict the future,like on the psychics network.


She is an evil woman that may preside over the end of this nation (or merely our liberty)

Do you mean evil,like the "evil doers",Bush always mentions.ROTFLMAO......ty "

but she isn't
stupid enough to tie the fiasco that a troop pullout would cause around her own neck.

That won`t happen,she didn`t put us there,keep us there,or strand them there,indefinitely.

I do predict though,that people like yourself, will attempt to pin the Iraq failure,on who ever is president.

Would you neo-cons stop fighting evil.You`re fucking everthing up...




Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:30:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

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We all know that these terrorists are the most religiously brainwashed and devoted nuts on earth.They beleive the whole thing,there`s no atheists, in their ranks.They believe that being martyred, is a "get in heaven guaranteed card".They believe that each and every one of them, will somehow be presented with 72 virgins when they arrive in heaven,lol,plus a whole lot of other nonsense.The point is,the terrorists/jihadists believe this,to the point of death.They don`t get more crazy or committed,then that.

However,they believe that if they do anything homosexual,they won`t go to heaven.No datenut bread with hot tea, served by the 72 virgins,no de-flowering of the 72,or any of the other heavenly blessings.If they go gay,they get zilch.Doesn`t matter if it`s a fairy tail,the terrorist believe that shit,and it can be used against them.

The question now:

If there was a ticking time bomb,and you had the actual terrorist who planted it,in your hands,would you do homosexual acts on him,to make him talk.All you need to do is pull his pants down while he`s bound,and give him head,and he`ll give up the goods,because,to a Muslim,nothing`s worse th[en going the hell.

Would you brave ,heroic ,straight guys step up and suck cock for your country,if you knew it would save lives?



No need too. Smear a piece of bacon on him or toss a genuine pigskin football to him has the exact same effect. By
his f-uped twisted view of islam he goes straight to hell no matter what good or evil he has commited his entire life.

Israel uses pot bellied pigs in some cases to sniff for explosives instead of dogs. If the black hats trigger the explosives
remotely during the search they spray pig blood and parts over a wide area condeming dozens to hundreds of their
supporters straight to hell. The pigs live a lot longer than the dogs.

Personally I'd train pigs to give BJ's. But that's my twisted sense of humor that gets me in trouble sometimes.
(and no, I wouldn't train them by example).



And if a bomb was ticking,and there was no pigs for miles,you would do nothing?

Big brave guy,phuffft!




Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:35:51 AM)

Bombs do not have ticking countdown detonators like the movies. 




Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:37:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

1.  They are not "boys."  They are men and women. 
2.  How do you know what they were trained for?
3. 
quote:

I wouldn`t tell them to impose democracy, at gunpoint.

"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God)." (Note that the last sentence is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or moral objection, as is true of all oaths administered by the United States government)

Whether or not I believe that they are imposing a democracy by gunpoint, it is not your right or responsibility to give the orders.

4.  Occupation is something that happens in war.  Read up on history.  Try the term Vichy France. 
5.  Does the phrase, "All is not fair in love and war."  Mean anything to you?  Or perhaps try this bit of dialogue/;

Sarah: That's not fair!
Jareth: You say that so often. I wonder what your basis for comparison is.



<said just like  the Geico caveman>

"whah!"




Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:44:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Bombs do not have ticking countdown detonators like the movies. 


And torture doesn`t work, either,like in the movies.But that`s not the question.

The question is,if  would work,and you could save thousands of American lives,would you do it?

The big brave guys, who would torture someone  to get information,should be as willing to "sacrifice", and go down town on a suspect,to get that vital info.




ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 12:46:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Whether you want to admit it or not, we havnt been attacked since 9/11, And Al-Queda's global network has been limited. Prior to 9/11 they had global reach. Today, they can barely pull off an attack in their own region. You really think they wouldnt pull off an attack on American soil if they could? Of course they would.

If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed. But the liberals wont do that.... no, no... they find it more productive to go to TV, bash America left and right, and declare the war lost in order to gain votes and political power. Oh........but they still support the troops.... right?

....makes me want to puke.


If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed.

Nope.Our boys won the war.They did their mission,and shouldn`t have been given endless, imposible missions,forever(going on seven years now).It`s not fair them.

I would tell the GIs,thanks, you did a great job,sorry for lies and bullshit.

I wouldn`t tell them to impose democracy, at gunpoint.They weren`t trained for that.

It`s not a war, right now.It`s an occupation.Our soldiers, weren`t trained for that.


Since when where they not trained for it ? You don't think we occupied germany and japan for *years* after
hostilities ended ?


Do you think our casualties ended on VJ day ? There was no one with real life experience left
in the military when this occupation started, that's different from "not being trained".


See folks,this is what I meant,when I called them "~experts~" .

And with all due respect the troops know what the bullshit is and what is reality. They are *there*. Despite that
the military still votes majority republican implying they understand the current course is the one most likely to
result in the *least* casualties over the long term.

If we pull the troops out now, we'll just be back there in a year or two or ten.

I'm wondering if you're still going to complain about the troops being in Iraq when Hillary refuses to remove
them.


So as well as being a military,foreign affairs,and political "~expert~",you can predict the future,like on the psychics network.


She is an evil woman that may preside over the end of this nation (or merely our liberty)

Do you mean evil,like the "evil doers",Bush always mentions.ROTFLMAO......ty "

but she isn't
stupid enough to tie the fiasco that a troop pullout would cause around her own neck.

That won`t happen,she didn`t put us there,keep us there,or strand them there,indefinitely.

I do predict though,that people like yourself, will attempt to pin the Iraq failure,on who ever is president.

Would you neo-cons stop fighting evil.You`re fucking everthing up...


Since you insist on personal attacks and accuse me of being psychic i'll explain it in 6th grade english for you.

**I base my opinions on what she (and her party) does and doesn't say (and do) and I pay attention.**

For example, This thread is yesterday's debate. I don't know if you've noticed by Iraq is hardly even discussed
lately by recent standards. Cindy Sheehan despite being as vitrolically stupid as ever, somehow never makes
the front page anymore. (don't give me any grief about her losing a son, her own actions are disrespectfull to
him).

Your party has discovered that Bush isn't going to cave and are not going to limit their options.

The only thing your party had to do to *actually* force Bush to withdraw the troops is to pass no defense
authorization bills. They haven't and won't because they won't take responsibility for the consequences.
Instead, they hold countless stupid votes they know they can't win, to keep the usefull idiots just satisfied
enough to not pound down their doors and lynch them.

Of course, Hillary, is *so* smart she'll come up with some magical new strategy that will make all the
sacrifice worthwhile and the debate will end. You know, something simple, like victory.

And please, neo-conservative is code for dirty manipulative jew. I'm unaffilated christian, at least get your religous
slurs right.




Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 1:02:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Bombs do not have ticking countdown detonators like the movies. 


And torture doesn`t work, either,like in the movies.But that`s not the question.

The question is,if  would work,and you could save thousands of American lives,would you do it?

The big brave guys, who would torture someone  to get information,should be as willing to "sacrifice", and go down town on a suspect,to get that vital info.


No.  For one, adultry is against the UCMJ.  So are homosexual acts.  So is rape.   

I would just behead him on TV.  After all, I believe that is okay by the Geneva Convention.  At least, THEY are not considering that torture. 




ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 1:11:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Bombs do not have ticking countdown detonators like the movies.


And torture doesn`t work, either,like in the movies.But that`s not the question.

The question is,if would work,and you could save thousands of American lives,would you do it?

The big brave guys, who would torture someone to get information,should be as willing to "sacrifice", and go down town on a suspect,to get that vital info.


No. For one, adultry is against the UCMJ. So are homosexual acts. So is rape.

I would just behead him on TV. After all, I believe that is okay by the Geneva Convention. At least, THEY are not considering that torture.


Yes but would training legions of pigs to seek out and suck off militant islamists be against the UCMJ ? Are dick seeking pigs
a weapon banned by the geneva convention ?

Sorry, I'm going to bed now.




Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/2/2008 1:50:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God)."




Excellent point, HOWEVER, that second to last sentence is the REALLY important one.



You might want to research how Articles 90, 91, and 92 of the UCMJ have been applied in previous court proceedings.   It is a federal crime to follow an unlawful order, a wonderful example of this is the Oliver North trial in which North claimed that he was only following orders and shouldn't be held responsible for them being illegal orders.

As we all know, he WAS held responsible.




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