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FangsNfeet -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 9:11:55 PM)
"On Paper," the president has the power. However, I don't see any president having the power to stop a riot of over 200 million people. He may be the Commander in Chief, but military pay would have to go up a little to really declare Martial Law and enforce it indefinetly. It's possible but not probable. It's not going to happen. The higher powers of corporations, money, and rich secret society diplomats have different plans. They are not really going to allow any president to do such a silly thing. Not only is George Bush a Mason, but he's also a Fraternity Brother to John Kerry. Rather than leaders, they're just mere pawns in the scheme of things. Also, let's not forget that Jeb Bush will want to be president by 2016. George will step down for him or face serious consequence for not going by the plan.

Daddysredhead -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 9:18:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee We have left Crete and have now entered the de-milaterized zone! Good grief, Aylee! We're on the third page, and dammit, we need to find the wardrobe with the magical door to Narnia in order to get out of this mess! [&:]

dcnovice -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 9:24:12 PM)
quote: the wardrobe with the magical door Look for the door marked 01.20.09.

Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 9:29:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling Bush has taken some odd steps with this Martial Law thing, but the laws still have a time of emergency and restoration of order requirement. Furthermore, Bush is commander in chief and the military will execute his commands but they are not blind robots. If he tried to pulled out the Martial Law clauses the military wouldn't follow those orders for very long unless he came up with some really good justifications and it would be turned off in a matter of days (weeks at the longest). Martial Law has been successful used in other countries to pull off a coup attempt, but those dictators had the full backing of the military in their efforts to overthrow the government. Our military will not support such an effort to overthrow our government. In your muddled thinking process you have forgotten one important fact. George Bush is not a dictator. He will step down after serving as President for the last eight years. How that makes him a dictator is beyond me. If that`s true,then why this? http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/print/20070509-12.html Is this a trial test balloon? To see how people will react? I guess there`s the folks with a healthy skepticism of government,who will react w/ real surprise,and those that would go right along with this spooky plan and support it. If we had to count on the Archers,ArizonaSunSwitches,Daddyserdheads,Estrings,FatdomdaddysAylees,and christine1s of the world,to step up if Bush declares martial law,we`re fucked.It won`t happen.They be turning people in, and working with Blackwater operatives,in confiscating guns from the folks who ~would~ resist, a take over. Bush has declared a war,that won`t ever end(the war of terror),and has taken war powers that are de`facto permanent.He has already abused his powers and our trust,under the guise of protecting us.Why wouldn`t he pull something like this? As far as Bush`s performance,can anyone give some examples of something he`s involved in,that he hasn`t fucked up? Examples,...please. Giving billions away to rich people(money borrowed from the Chinese and Saudis,and payed back by the middle class)in tax cuts,doesn`t count.That is a failure,to be payed for by future tax payers. His middle east policy has driven the price of oil up from 25 bucks,to over a hundred(thanks neo-cons).He`s killed countless numbers of innocent people in Iraq,and 3500 GIs,for nothing.Lost New Orleans , spent all our money and put us into endless debt. Leaked the name of CIA agents,and pardoned the people involved. And you supper patriots are faining sarcastic surprise,when someone asks about a weird,spooky and alarming document that comes out of the White House.Pah-leeeze... Note to deluded neo-cons.Bush has been in charge of Iraq,and lost it all on his own.The Dems have given him everything he`s asked for.He blew that one on his own,and won`t be able to blame the democrats for that. It doesn`t matter how things go in Iraq,at this point.Just because twenty GIs are dying a week,instead of forty,doesn`t mean shit.Iraq is FUBAR,and we will never be able to impose ourselves on them,any more than they could impose themselves,on us.

Daddysredhead -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 9:40:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: the wardrobe with the magical door Look for the door marked 01.20.09. Thank you, dc... [:)]

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 9:59:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: the wardrobe with the magical door Look for the door marked 01.20.09. Thank you, dc... [:)] I hope that it is not in New Orleans, cause we have lost that! quote: Lost New Orleans And HOLY SHIT DRH! There is a continuity program! Next we are gonna find out some really wacky shit like the Speaker for the House becoming president if Bush and Cheney are incapacitated. This is scary! Very scary! clicks heels three times Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning!

Daddysredhead -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:01:41 PM)
Dammit, Aylee! I think we just need to hide under a blanket and pretend that the boogyman can't see us! [:o]

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:18:02 PM)
I have a better idea! If we do not exist to the boogyman when we are under a blankie, how about if WE throw the blankie over the boogyman! Existential uncertainty! He will then think that he does not exist! Whaddya think?

Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:28:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling Bush has taken some odd steps with this Martial Law thing, but the laws still have a time of emergency and restoration of order requirement. Furthermore, Bush is commander in chief and the military will execute his commands but they are not blind robots. If he tried to pulled out the Martial Law clauses the military wouldn't follow those orders for very long unless he came up with some really good justifications and it would be turned off in a matter of days (weeks at the longest). Martial Law has been successful used in other countries to pull off a coup attempt, but those dictators had the full backing of the military in their efforts to overthrow the government. Our military will not support such an effort to overthrow our government. In your muddled thinking process you have forgotten one important fact. George Bush is not a dictator. He will step down after serving as President for the last eight years. How that makes him a dictator is beyond me. I think you misunderstand my comment and I was not trying to imply that Bush is a dictator or that he would not step down. I was trying to show how martial law had been used to pull off coups in other countries and point out that it wouldn't work here even IF Bush were of the mind to try it. I don't think he is of the mind to try it, but I wouldn't be scared even if I thought he were of that mind because I know it wouldn't work.

Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:29:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: the wardrobe with the magical door Look for the door marked 01.20.09. Thank you, dc... [:)] I hope that it is not in New Orleans, cause we have lost that! quote: Lost New Orleans And HOLY SHIT DRH! There is a continuity program! Next we are gonna find out some really wacky shit like the Speaker for the House becoming president if Bush and Cheney are incapacitated. This is scary! Very scary! clicks heels three times Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning! A "continuity program". lol yeah right,lol.Is that anything like "No Child Left Behind",or "The Blue Skys" initiative? There are some here,who would have been best,left behind. We don`t need a "continuity program",we have the US Constitution,tyvm... Would you neo-cons stop "~protecting~"us? I don`t think American can stand it much longer.

Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:38:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 .They be turning people in, and working with Blackwater operatives,in confiscating guns from the folks who ~would~ resist, a take over. Bush has declared a war,that won`t ever end(the war of terror),and has taken war powers that are de`facto permanent.He has already abused his powers and our trust,under the guise of protecting us.Why wouldn`t he pull something like this? He wouldn't pull something like this because the security contractors (e.g. Blackwater, EODT, Cochise, etc.) would be the first guys taking up arms to prevent the confiscation of personal firearms. As I said above, I don't think Bush is up to trying something like this but that is irrelevant because it can't be done without support of the military. Just look at the Russian coup attempt and how quickly it failed because the communists didn't have enough of the military on their side.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:42:00 PM)
Whether you want to admit it or not, we havnt been attacked since 9/11, And Al-Queda's global network has been limited. Prior to 9/11 they had global reach. Today, they can barely pull off an attack in their own region. You really think they wouldnt pull off an attack on American soil if they could? Of course they would. If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed. But the liberals wont do that.... no, no... they find it more productive to go to TV, bash America left and right, and declare the war lost in order to gain votes and political power. Oh........but they still support the troops.... right? ....makes me want to puke.

Royalton -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:43:53 PM)
never discuss politics with idiots

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:49:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd Any one who thinks Bush will just calmly hand over the reins in Nov is nuttier then a fruit cake. Yes you're right, because his term ends in January 2009, duh.

dcnovice -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:58:16 PM)
quote: If you think we are losing the war, why dont you go over to Iraq and tell that to the faces of our soldiers. Tell them that they have failed. But the liberals wont do that.... no, no... they find it more productive to go to TV, bash America left and right, and declare the war lost in order to gain votes and political power. Oh........but they still support the troops.... right? Invoking the troops to score cheap partisan points seriously disrespects them.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 10:59:04 PM)
It's all conspiracy theory junk...Bush isnt a dictator and he isnt going to take over the country. Jan 2009 will come and he will step down. I mean christ, do you people think also think that the government planned 911? That there are aliens at area 51? That there is a secret society conspiring to create a one-world government? And that NASA faked the moon landing in Nevada? And watch out for those black helecopters and men dressed in black with ear-pieces!

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:02:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy I am giving $1000 to 1 odds that President Bush will not declare Marshall Law at the end of his term. So all those fearfull handwringers who believe that he will.... Time to put you money where your mouth is. I'll bet a million to one he won't declare Marshall law. He spells better than that even if he doesn't pronounce it worth a damn. If that wasn't your intent and you meant martial law, I wouldn't make that bet if I were you. That martial law clause is there to contain damage if we're hit by a biological weapon. Ie. Stay in your house and wait for the military to drop off rations to you for the next 60 days or we'll shoot you for being too stupid to live kind of thing. That unfortunately, is still in the realm of possibility despite others calling it fear mongering.

Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:10:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Royalton never discuss politics with idiots If only we could keep idiots, out of politics(with power over others,and the means to do great harm).

Owner59 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:14:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy I am giving $1000 to 1 odds that President Bush will not declare Marshall Law at the end of his term. So all those fearfull handwringers who believe that he will.... Time to put you money where your mouth is. I'll bet a million to one he won't declare Marshall law. He spells better than that even if he doesn't pronounce it worth a damn. If that wasn't your intent and you meant martial law, I wouldn't make that bet if I were you. That martial law clause is there to contain damage if we're hit by a biological weapon. Ie. Stay in your house and wait for the military to drop off rations to you for the next 60 days or we'll shoot you for being too stupid to live kind of thing. That unfortunately, is still in the realm of possibility despite others calling it fear mongering. Ha!He was listening to Marshall Crenshaw ,and got mixed up.

TheShadoeFox -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/1/2008 11:19:08 PM)
I've been scanning this particular series of posts, and just thought I'd toss my two cents in, since so many other folks are. First off, I'm not totally sure declaring Martial Law would prevent the posibility of an impeachment, which bluntly would be the likely result of such an act since congress wouldn't like their power and toys being taken, since we can safely ignore moral choice as a deciding factor (These are politicians we're talking about, no mater which side they are on). Secondly, Americans are one of the single most rebellous groups of people to ever decide to be something resembling a country. Basically all declaring Martial law would likely achieve is a second American Civil War, and this time it won't be a generally geographical conflict. Third, I'm fairly sure Chaney (However his name is spelled) ain't that dumb, whatever you think of Junior. Oh, and why focus on Iran. I'm not convinced they really CAN produce the weapons everyone's so worried about. I'm still more worried about North Korea getting stupid. ShadoeFox

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