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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:06:21 PM

SeeksOnlyOne

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so it is ok for you to try to get in to law school, with no desire to do so your self, just because you are told to in a master/slave relationship, but not ok for someone else to drop out for the same reasons?

Your question is "it is ok for a Master to push a slave to be high achieving, self reliant and educated but it is not ok for a Master to compel a slave to move to the middle of nowhere and drop out of school?"

BTW, this girl now thinks leaving school was the worst decision she ever made.

no my question is what makes you think you have the right to decide the dynamic for anyone else in a relationship...........there really is no one twue way...not even yours dear

and besides, if everyone were as....ummmm.....enlightened and smart as you are-who would haul the garbage away? and do your nails? and mow your lawn? carry your bags? drive your limos? pick the vegetables you eat? build your houses? serve your meals in the fine restaurants? make porno movies? sew your clothes? i could go on but ill stop...

wow, this country is built on the backs of underachievers! im having a cosmic moment here

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:06:27 PM

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Perhaps your master might see some benefit in having you work with average people to see what other human beings are really like. You sound as though you have no experience at all, and I say this in a sincere way, you seem very young for 25, almost like an 18 year old.. perhaps you are just sheltered... there is no crime in being sheltered and that is not meant as an insult...

No. I am sure he would see no benefit in such a thing. Nor would I.

I am sure hat the girls I speak of would categorize themselves as underachievers.

This thread makes me so grateful for my Master.

It will be sad if I am decollared at some point and if I need to sift through masses of people with no educational standards and no emphasis on career or life savings in order to find someone I can trust to make decisions for me again.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:11:18 PM

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I don't know if I'll ever feel like I've reached my potential.

I rather doubt anyone in human history has fully reached his or her potential.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:11:39 PM

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no my question is what makes you think you have the right to decide the dynamic for anyone else in a relationship...........there really is no one twue way...not even yours dear

Oh that is serious BS. You do not take some 18 yr old premed with a 4.0 and tell them to drop out of college and move half way around the country in order to serve your selfish ass after talking to them online for a few months. That is not a 'different dynamic'- that is fucking wrong.

I am sad that not only can such people get 18 yr old submissives. It is sad that this BDSM community does not even seem to discourage it.

If you think that its okey dokey to treat an impressionable teenager who fantasizes about slavery like that, you are speaking nothing but twuth.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:11:47 PM

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It will be sad if I am decollared at some point and if I need to sift through masses of people with no educational standards and no emphasis on career or life savings in order to find someone I can trust to make decisions for me again.

i agree...it would be very sad for you to have to take RESPONSIBILITY for your OWN life~
How can you possibly be a Domme? Talk about underacheiving! Sheesh!

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:14:52 PM

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Considering the previous thread you made expressing feelings of self-worthlessness over missing a few points on a test score, I think this whole perception you have and the negative, condescending judgment is just another example of your own insecurity and lack of confidence.

Because ultimately the easiest (and most petty way) of improving your own poor ego is to portray and perceive others as being "less" then you for their own lack of accomplishments, problems, and issues.

To add on to my previous post, I would gladly have a beer and enjoy a night out with any of those one hundred people above and not once mention how they are "failing at life". The only thing that really saddens me is I know they aren't meeting their full potential and this causes them frustration and despair. Perhaps Aristotle was right with his philosophy of self realization....

The important part of that philosophy is to note the key word: "self" in which the self comes to realize what their potential is. This is quite different from the philosophy of "kitty's realization" in which kitty comes to realize what other people should or should not be doing or achieving.

Which, of course, is the great flaw in all your posts in this thread, a flaw that is obtuse to your myopic viewpoint. There is no objective standards of "underachiever" and "overachiever".

Just simply your standards that you apply in harsh negative and condescending judgment to those you have deemed "less" then you.

Of course, judging isn't necessarily a bad thing since without judgment how can we determine personal value. I just hope that you can one day be able to determine personal value without standing in judgment of others. There is a big difference between the two.

At that point, perhaps you won't be categorized as an "underachiever" in the one area you have demonstrated here. Your own sense of security and self worth.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:15:16 PM

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Okay I am an under achiever, I was an honor roll student in high school but went to college to study to be an accountant , my grades were excellent but I dropped out as I found it boring as hell and went to work as a waitress was happier interacting with people instead of being alone crunching numbers, later married and divorced had a child to raise , so went back to school and studied to become a computer programmer/systems anaylst, but putting in 16 hour days left me no time to be a mom and I did not want my child raised by sitters, so quit and took up factory work at 8 hours a day and lower wages but guess what I was happier poorer and being able to spend that extra time being a mom to my child, I am still a factory worker I have my roof over my head food on the table and now enjoy my time as grandma to 3, being an under achiever is not necessarily a bad thing in life, I don't have to love my job either but what I do enjoy is the freedom to go home and leave my work at my job site and having my free time to be with my family instead, to me that is success because I got what was important to me

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:15:32 PM

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i agree...it would be very sad for you to have to take RESPONSIBILITY for your OWN life~

Clearly, I will have to in order to avoid dickheads that would look at a homeless heroin addict and say "to each their own!".

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How can you possibly be a Domme? Talk about underacheiving! Sheesh!

Im seeing that I would make a much better one than people whose only standards are "is the kitchen perfectly clean?"

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:16:07 PM

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Can't help myself: Is there a difference between an underachieving slave and an underachieving submissive? And are they both fat?

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:23:01 PM

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Considering the previous thread you made expressing feelings of self-worthlessness over missing a few points on a test score, I think this whole perception you have and the negative, condescending judgment is just another example of your own insecurity and lack of confidence

I dont think so. I never was upset over missing a few points. I was upset that I disappointed my Master by a few points. There's a huge difference.

In any case, Im really glad I am the type of person that can look at a 167 and know that it's 'lackluster' as Master calls it.

The computer you type on, the lights you sit under and the internet were not made by a bunch of lazy people who just did not care to burn the midnight oil and just did not care to try and become more successful.

So be glad that someone out there judges themselves based on rising to meet a mental challenge.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:24:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Can't help myself: Is there a difference between an underachieving slave and an underachieving submissive? And are they both fat?

well, i gotta tell ya, reading that left a mark......when i spewed coke on the screen and had to get paper towels....

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:24:19 PM

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Many of the submissives I speak to seem to fall very short of their full potential.

The sentence might be equally true if you replaced the word submissives with people.

What dc said

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:27:07 PM

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Can't help myself: Is there a difference between an underachieving slave and an underachieving submissive? And are they both fat?

And Im glad my Master requires me to be thin. Although finding such guys is easy as pie, even in the BDSM world.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:33:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: kitttty
I dont think so. I never was upset over missing a few points. I was upset that I disappointed my Master by a few points. There's a huge difference.

Now your just trying obtfuscate the real issue....which was your own feelings of worthlessness that were expressed in the course of that thread.

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ORIGINAL: kitttty
In any case, Im really glad I am the type of person that can look at a 167 and know that it's 'lackluster' as Master calls it.

It's a shame that you can't look at that and realize that you could do better, but at the same time realize that you did exceptionally well and should be proud of what you did accomplish as opposed to what you didn't.

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The computer you type on, the lights you sit under and the internet were not made by a bunch of lazy people who just did not care to burn the midnight oil and just did not care to try and become more successful.

Amazingly and ironically enough, the computer you type on and the lights you sit under were most likely made by lower educated factory workers that you would probably label as underachievers or unsuccessful because of their career, even if the products were designed by people with high education.

Even more amazing, I imagine the vast majority of them probably go home to loving husbands, wives and children and enjoy time with friends.

There is many different kinds of success in life.

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So be glad that someone out there judges themselves based on rising to meet a mental challenge.

I have my own list of mental and physical challenges that I have met and accomplished and while I may judge myself based on that, I certainly don't judge other people as being less than me for not meeting or accomplishing the same challenges I have.

Which is what brings us right back to your behavior that prompted my response.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:34:11 PM

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since when are all submissives female?

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:34:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: kitttty

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i agree...it would be very sad for you to have to take RESPONSIBILITY for your OWN life~

Clearly, I will have to in order to avoid dickheads that would look at a homeless heroin addict and say "to each their own!".

quote:

How can you possibly be a Domme? Talk about underacheiving! Sheesh!

Im seeing that I would make a much better one than people whose only standards are "is the kitchen perfectly clean?"

WTF?
Are you saying you are a homeless herion addict?
That might explain alot of things!

< Message edited by dawntreader -- 1/1/2008 9:36:07 PM >

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:38:35 PM

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Amazingly and ironically enough, the computer you type on and the lights you sit under were most likely made by lower educated factory workers that you would probably label as underachievers or unsuccessful because of their career, even if the products were designed by people with high education.

Do you not understand the concept of an underachiever? It is not a person that works a menial job and has no higher education. It is the person with a 4.0 who liked school and left to do a job they do not like.

Again, not because they have kids. Not because they are pursuing their dream of being a novelist- no. Because they are simply underachieving, which is a concept with a basis in reality. Its not me being judgmental- it's a real thing that real people do.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:43:08 PM

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since when are all submissives female?

Recently mine are.

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Are you saying you are a homeless herion addict?

Hey if I were, you should just look at me and say "maybe that person is content. Who am I to judge?"

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:48:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: kitttty

Do you not understand the concept of an underachiever? It is not a person that works a menial job and has no higher education. It is the person with a 4.0 who liked school and left to do a job they do not like.

Again, not because they have kids. Not because they are pursuing their dream of being a novelist- no. Because they are simply underachieving, which is a concept with a basis in reality. Its not me being judgmental- it's a real thing that real people do.

Not really. Objectively, what the person did was make a decision to leave school with a high grade point average and take on a job that they turned out to not likely.

Maybe they have depression issues or personal issues that caused them to make this decision. Maybe it was a bad decision with respect to "bad" being subjective and that subjection only being important to the individual who made the decision.

Regardless, it's still simply a decision they made which you judged and tagged them with the label of "underachiever".

Unfortunately, your still being judgmental and the concept of "underachiever" is still metaphysical.

It was a nice try though.

Of course, it's clear your too myopic to understand this any other way, but I am kind of enjoying the rebutting.

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RE: The underachieving disease - 1/1/2008 9:52:05 PM

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Are you saying you are a homeless herion addict?

Hey if I were, you should just look at me and say "maybe that person is content. Who am I to judge?"

You cannot be serious!!!
You started this thread on underachieving subs not living to their potential and now you are saying you are a homeless herion addict and i should think you are content and not judge you by your own standards and you want to dominant others when you cannot even control your own life?
This has to be a joke!

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