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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/9/2008 11:13:00 AM   
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Like others have stated, I don't think this is a new wave at all. While it has irk'd me from time to time to be bombarded by the "do me types". Someone, somewhere would love that type of approach and mindset, I am just not one of those people. It comes down to compatibility to me.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/9/2008 12:32:08 PM   
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I still just don't understand what is so offensive to Tops when a bottom pre-negotiates what it is they don't want and what they do want, what they will do and what they will not do. It doesn't mean this won't change over time, but you have to have some sort of common ground before you invest time into a relationship, or, even if you just want a good casual fuck, determining if it's worth risking exposure to disease.

D/s relationships are all so different and unevenly matched kinks lead to disappointment for all. Why would a Top waste his or her time trying to negotiate a scene where they want an enema involved with a bottom that won't do it? If a married couple is looking for a third party submissive to occasionally play with them, but have no desire to have an emotional attachment, shouldn't they ask the potential third person what they hope to get out of their time spent with them, and don't they OWE it to the submissive to tell them upfront that there will be no "relationship" involved?

Communication is one of the essential parts of a D/s dynamic, be it casual or long-term. Aren't we all in this for pleasure? We're all giving part of ourselves in order to receive something from the other. A Dominant wants the submission, and a submissive wants domination, and how to exchange that requires negotiation.

If a Dominant wants to cut out the back-and-forth exchange of pre-negotiation, then by all means, be more specific on your profiles and discuss in detail what sorts of things you're looking for in regards to things that are outside the basics, i.e., flogging, asking for permission to cum, kneeling, etc., and if what your end game is is that you want to pierce her nipples with needles...SAY IT. You might scare off half the women out there, but you just might get the right woman nice and wet thinking about all the things you want to do! You'll get a message in your inbox saying, "I adore needle play and would love to hear more about what you would do to me if we were together!" See? Doesn't that sound nice and submissive?

I just see too many profiles out there that are too vague to get any sort of handle on what type of Dominant they are. The bad ones go something like this, "I'm looking for a very submissive woman who will serve my every desire. If you are not real, don't bother contacting me. I'm safe, sane, and disease free."

Well, what are your desires? How are submissives supposed to read your mind? Do you desire that she blow you and swallow your load? Or is it that your desire is she be able to handle a tight rope suspension? Is it your desire that she accompany you to your friend's house to be fucked by everyone there? What do you want?

On the other hand, I have seen some very detailed and vivid profiles that describe in delicious detail an intense scene that they would like to enact. It leaves little to the imagination, and some of them scare me because it's not what I'm into, and some of them are incredibly hot, and I have shared their ideas with my husband and said, "Do you think it would be fun to try that?"

Hmmm... I suppose some of you might think I'm topping from the bottom just because I have the audacity to tell my Master that I read about a particular thing and want to try it. Whatever, is all I can say, because after playing for almost 11 years, I believe firmly that it takes both sides of the power exchange to keep the relationship fresh and new and fun and exciting. We work together to make our fantasies a reality. Master knows my current limits, and which ones he can push and when, because we've talked about it in advance. It doesn't mean those limits will be tested tomorrow- I have no idea when they will be- all I know is to be prepared to submit when the time comes, and to this day, this pre-negotiation has worked for us, because I have never had to use my safeword and we have both enjoyed out new experiences immensely.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/9/2008 3:35:25 PM   
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i feel stupid but what does "WIITWD" mean ?


WIITWD= What insane idiots think we do.



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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/9/2008 3:37:43 PM   
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Sounds like good old fashioned topping from the bottom.   Probally in D/s relationship dynamics a Domme that's enjoys being the bottom (recieving) end of an activity.

Hell, I'm a DOM that has ordered a sub/slave to flog my back.  I have my own maso streak and believe me, I don't think twice about it.

If it looks like a Duck, sounds like a Duck, walks like a Duck, Flys like a Duck... I'm calling it a Duck.

What you just described sounds more like Dommes that like/enjoy to bottom, but as long as it's their way and they are ultimately in control.   Good old fashioned Topping from the Bottom. 

People tend to get Top/Bottom mixed up with D/s.

Now in terms of me wanting to know things that please a submissive.   Hell, I want to know what pleases and displeases 'em.   Any submissive of mine in the past has always been allowed to ask or make a request of me.   I'm in control of yes, no, maybe let me think about it.    Now if a submissive requested something specific like a rape scene, or asked for a spanking not a problem for me to think about, and do it and still be in the top role. She would not really be topping me from the bottom.  If a sub asked to spank my ass... Well, I would be sitting there giving her the big fat HELL NO.   






aww, but ya have such a tempting ass ;)

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/9/2008 3:44:05 PM   
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I still just don't understand what is so offensive to Tops when a bottom pre-negotiates what it is they don't want and what they do want, what they will do and what they will not do. [snip...] ......         this pre-negotiation has worked for us, because I have never had to use my safeword and we have both enjoyed out new experiences immensely.


beautifully expressed, gorgeous :)

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/9/2008 8:33:08 PM   
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Being a member of the "Y" generation, i believe it is not a new thing. Ever since the dawn of humanity, a tendancy for men to tell women what they want and when could be percieved. If it has been occuring throughout recorded history and longer, there is little probability it will change unless behavorial engenering takes place. As for the ''subtrollers", they have probibaly been around since WIITWD has moved into the online realm.

I dont approve of the behavior, i believe that being on one's knees at the feet of thier Mistress, eagerly waiting on Her every need is the best place in the world to be.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/10/2008 10:26:37 PM   
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Whatever the title,or side of the power/energy exchange someone is on, bottom line, we are pretty much all humans. Each human has the right to their own heart's desire.

I like when I read posts where folks say they are encouraged to be themself, to communicate as honestly, freely and thoroughly as they desire/need to along the way. I like when it feels like the man is interested in the woman and she may reflect, bring forward, or say.

I want to connect with someone who I feel 'gets' me. If I went into it feeling like I would need to be silent about what I wanted in my life, because I 'had' to be, yikes. I also feel reassured when folks talk about finding someone who is compatible.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 2:28:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gorgeous1


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ORIGINAL: MoodDomme

It looks like we have reached a New era in the LifeStyle. I have Encountered as of late.What I Deem as "subtrollers" this is a sub.That is neither Domme or sub. They justwant to Tell you what they want and whatyou Will do. I Believe they stems from the "X" and "Y" Gen. What a TOTAL Concept of Nothing but BS Unadultated type.

Mood Domme



Mood Domme, perhaps I can help you with your dilemma. I am a submissive. I TELL my Dominant what I want. Is that being pushy, or wanting it my way? Absolutely not. To have a successful and thriving D/s dynamic requires active participation from both parties. I have learned this valuable lesson just recently. I've been married/playing with my Master for over 10 years now, and only recently did I discover that sharing my fantasies and desires helps us both explore new and exciting things to experience. Let's get down to brass tacks here: we all want what we want and I don't see how a submissive could truly enjoy submitting to something they really don't want. This is a game, folks. Find players that want to play your game. If not, find a doormat to wipe your boots on.

With that said, I read your profile, and you aren't very specific in what sort of game you want to play. Many of the profiles on this site are well written. They are explicit in what it is that they want, be it enemas, groveling, objectification, "rape" play, etc., and your profile only speaks of some vague ideal of wanting someone who is "in real need to be taught the True Meaning of their Interfelt desires, and needs." By being vague, you force those submissives seeking a Dominant to TELL you what they want and see if you respond.

If your idea of teaching "true meaning" to a submissive is having them lick your boots while you administer a wicked caning, then SAY IT. You then increase your chances of finding the sub who is into playing your game. It might decrease the quantity of responses you get, but hopefully it will increase your chances of finding the perfect player.

I just don't see how being a vague Dominant gives anyone the right to chastise a submissive who tries to read your mind.

What you want? or what you need?

NEED : Must have it like air.
Want: maybe ok, well, maybe???

First: We learn to seperate needs from wants/desires.

Then we get what we need.

Simple....

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 7:28:07 AM   
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I don't approve of the behavior, i believe that being on one's knees at the feet of their Mistress, eagerly waiting on Her every need is the best place in the world to be.

...And that is what you should believe <s>
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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 7:48:18 AM   
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New Wave
often initial capital letters) a largely minimalist but emotionally intense style of rock music, being an outgrowth of punk rock in the late 1970s, typified by spare or repetitive arrangements, and emphasizing energetic, unpolished performance.

I hope this helps

David Byrne

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 9:06:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MoodDomme

It looks like we have reached a New era in the LifeStyle. I have Encountered as of late.What I Deem as "subtrollers" this is a sub.That is neither Domme or sub. They justwant to Tell you what they want and whatyou Will do. I Believe they stems from the "X" and "Y" Gen. What a TOTAL Concept of Nothing but BS Unadultated type.
 
Mood Domme


first.. this nothing new.

second... so... what's the problem?  There is a fair share of "Service Tops" and fair share of "Controlling Bottoms"   nothing wrong with that if they are hooking up with each other and are actually honest in their representation of what their relationship is to others.  Being a Service Top to a Controlling Bottom and trying to spin that as a M/s relationship is not going to gain much respect from most people.  However, if someone tells me they are a Service Top or a Controlling Bottom, then I can respect their own self-awareness and it allows me to establish what kind of relationship is possible or not possible.  I suspect the problem is not that their are controlling bottoms but a lack of integrity in admitting the truth of their own behaviors.

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 1/11/2008 9:09:42 AM >


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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 9:49:53 AM   
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Hey Jeff that sounds like a sub that I once had.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 9:52:19 AM   
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LOL.......nice..:)

Jeff

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 10:13:57 AM   
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i agree there is a difference between setting limits and dictating how things will and will not be done. However some Dominants dont realize even through the small barriers just how set in stone some of those limits might be.  Each is different, and each will take time to break certain barriers, it's all in trust, and it's all consensual.....or suppose to be anyways.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 12:09:51 PM   
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I don't think this is a new phenomenon. Different people are seeking different things...as long as everyone is honest, what's the harm?

I've personally tried M/s relationships and D/s relationships...and the biggest thing they've taught me is that I'm not a sub. I'm a bottom. I don't want a guy who's in control of me all the time. I don't want to be told what to do on a daily basis. I want to shut the bedroom door, "roleplay" being a slave for a few hours, engage in encredibly hot, kinky, S/M based sex, and then when it's over go right back to being the strong, independant woman I really am.

If a person doesn't want to deal that, they don't have to bother with me. No harm, no foul.



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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/11/2008 1:10:10 PM   
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I don't think this is a new phenomenon. Different people are seeking different things...as long as everyone is honest, what's the harm?

I've personally tried M/s relationships and D/s relationships...and the biggest thing they've taught me is that I'm not a sub. I'm a bottom. I don't want a guy who's in control of me all the time. I don't want to be told what to do on a daily basis. I want to shut the bedroom door, "roleplay" being a slave for a few hours, engage in encredibly hot, kinky, S/M based sex, and then when it's over go right back to being the strong, independant woman I really am.

If a person doesn't want to deal that, they don't have to bother with me. No harm, no foul.


Yanno...maybe it is just me today but, if I were a submissive woman, I think I just might resent the statement of yours that I have made bold above.  The reason...it seems to imply that a woman cannot be strong and independant and be submissive.  As a dominant, I have known plenty of submissive women who were strong and yet submissive, independant to a great extent and yet submissive to their dominant's desires/wants/needs/orders.  Perhaps you don't mean for it to sound the way it does and perhaps it is simply my perception.  If it strikes anyone else that way, speak up.  If I am the only one who has misinterpreted or erred in my perception of how the bold statement sounds, then speak up also.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/12/2008 1:31:27 AM   
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Isn't it so much fun to watch the purists hold their breath and jump up and down at the same time?

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/12/2008 2:52:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: EponasChylde

I don't think this is a new phenomenon. Different people are seeking different things...as long as everyone is honest, what's the harm?

I've personally tried M/s relationships and D/s relationships...and the biggest thing they've taught me is that I'm not a sub. I'm a bottom. I don't want a guy who's in control of me all the time. I don't want to be told what to do on a daily basis. I want to shut the bedroom door, "roleplay" being a slave for a few hours, engage in encredibly hot, kinky, S/M based sex, and then when it's over go right back to being the strong, independant woman I really am.

If a person doesn't want to deal that, they don't have to bother with me. No harm, no foul.


Yanno...maybe it is just me today but, if I were a submissive woman, I think I just might resent the statement of yours that I have made bold above.  The reason...it seems to imply that a woman cannot be strong and independant and be submissive.  As a dominant, I have known plenty of submissive women who were strong and yet submissive, independant to a great extent and yet submissive to their dominant's desires/wants/needs/orders.  Perhaps you don't mean for it to sound the way it does and perhaps it is simply my perception.  If it strikes anyone else that way, speak up.  If I am the only one who has misinterpreted or erred in my perception of how the bold statement sounds, then speak up also.


It does strike me that way as well though I don't think it was intended. My guess, and I could be completely off the mark, is that she role plays being a weak, helpless slave and hence is "returning" to what she actually is.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/12/2008 3:07:34 AM   
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I call them Burger King subs .. they want it "their way "


Oh goodness! What a great laugh! Thanks MissHarlet.

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RE: The New Wave????? - 1/12/2008 7:59:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: EponasChylde

I don't think this is a new phenomenon. Different people are seeking different things...as long as everyone is honest, what's the harm?

I've personally tried M/s relationships and D/s relationships...and the biggest thing they've taught me is that I'm not a sub. I'm a bottom. I don't want a guy who's in control of me all the time. I don't want to be told what to do on a daily basis. I want to shut the bedroom door, "roleplay" being a slave for a few hours, engage in encredibly hot, kinky, S/M based sex, and then when it's over go right back to being the strong, independant woman I really am.

If a person doesn't want to deal that, they don't have to bother with me. No harm, no foul.


Yanno...maybe it is just me today but, if I were a submissive woman, I think I just might resent the statement of yours that I have made bold above. 


I don't resent it CD, I just figure she has a different interpretation of what submission means than I do.  I know that I am strong and independent.  But that doesn't mean all submissive women are.  And from the way I hear some people describe themselves and what being a slave means to them, they don't have an independent bone in their body. 

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