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No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 8:58:47 PM   
kitttty


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Status: offline 		What is it that people sometimes say on this board? That there are no truly dominant women? No 100% Dommes or something?

Is it true that this is some kind of repeated debate?

Why? Why on earth would some people think that there are no truly dominant women while there are truly dominant men?

Seriously, this is an opinion that is kind of commonly held in the kink community?
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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 9:17:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only people I have heard say thing like that are the Male Doms that beleive that deep inside every woman is submissive. I have found that they are usualy the arrogant ones that think that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The other people I have heard talking/thinking along those lines are those men in to Gor.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 9:22:52 PM   
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Why? Why on earth would some people think that there are no truly dominant women while there are truly dominant men?


Because there are a lot of very, very insecure people in the world.

There are women who cannot accept that their submission is a choice and a commitment, rather than an obligation forced upon them by Almighty Nature.

There are men who are deeply insecure in their power, and need to scream and shout to proclaim the non-existence of female power and authority because they feel diminished or threatened by its mere existence.

There are women who are naturally dominant and cannot accept the moral and emotional weight of the responsibility that ethical dominance requires.

There are men who are naturally submissive and terrified that their submissive nature invalidates their maleness--and who also have deep fear of surrendering to another's will, much as they need to do so.

I'm sure there are other agenda behind this particular myth, but these are probably the most common. 

< Message edited by ShaktiSama -- 1/23/2008 9:23:49 PM >

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 9:39:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, some people equate brute strength and force with dominance. They fail to consider that we have these big brains that give us a greater means of domination than sheer body strength.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 10:08:51 PM   
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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 10:10:19 PM   
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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 10:12:01 PM   
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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 10:17:57 PM   
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Continuous rejection can make some people very bitter.


How true. And even the cock pics never work for them.

And the few replies-so cruel, "it looks like a penis-omly smaller."

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 10:19:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

Continuous rejection can make some people very bitter.


How true. And even the cock pics never work for them.

And the few replies-so cruel, "it looks like a penis-omly smaller."



You're just evil Leatherist, EVIL I tells ya!!

edited cuz I called you Leathist. It's all this rejection, upsetting me

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 10:49:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Men, in general, seem to be tougher.  In Psych, you learn that young boys often speak in orders while young girls are more cordial and likely to make a suggestion instead, more carefully listening to their peers.  In growing up, you learn that leaders must make tough decisions and not be caught crying.. much like what many are told about boys, but many have seen a large number of girls being upset and pissy.

So, in general, it seems to be that a man is more likely to be dominant than a woman.  For those who believe there are no truly dominant women, this generalization has probably been taken too far, to an absolute, confusing "men are more likely to be dominant" with "men are the only dominant ones".

Then, of course, there are the opinions I'm sure a lot of Domme's will offer that they're just so threatening to men.  And, of course, there will be the opinions I'm sure a lot of Dom's will offer that all women are just naturally submissive.  Two sides of a coin, right?  :P

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 11:09:25 PM   
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I've gotten that (OP) lie errr line, from males dominants many times.  Amazing thing is that once they find out tisn't twuuuuuuuuee they'll come whisper in your ear so that none will hear..." you know, I do switch on occasion....." <G>

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 11:27:26 PM   
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Men, in general, seem to be tougher. 


Men are socialized a certain way in patriarchal societies.  They are socialized differently in other societies, and the "natural" behavior of male and female children, as well as the statistical tendencies of male and female adults, tends to change accordingly.

Humans pick up cultural patterns before they even leave the womb--they recognize the parents' voices, are less prone to reject foods the mother ate while they were in utero, and their infant babbling tends to emphasize phonemes and consonants from their mother tongue rather than being equally expressive of all noun and vowel sounds known to humankind.

Never mistake culture for nature.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 11:34:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unless you can prove that it's all culture, I find it unlikely that it entirely lacks a biological component.  After all, don't males naturally have more tetosterone (sp?) which is known to be a cause for aggression and territorial nature?  Further, what reason do any of us have to believe that men and women are psycologically similar when it comes to dominant nature?

However, regardless of why men tend to be more dominant, my point is that women can also be dominant.. but the fact that men tend to be dominant more often is taken too far as people believe it to be that all men are dominant, that no women are.

PS-  There's also the notion that because men tend to be the more dominant gender that, even when a woman is dominant, she lacks the ability to be perfectly dominant.. since whatever causes women to be less dominant in the first place must be afflicting her, too.  This idea is probably a large factor, and it's rather similar to an over generalization.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 11:41:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kitttty

What is it that people sometimes say on this board? That there are no truly dominant women? No 100% Dommes or something?


Some say that.  A few others occasionally listen (most who do generally regret it, I suspect).

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ORIGINAL: kitttty
Is it true that this is some kind of repeated debate?

It is one of many.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitttty
Why? Why on earth would some people think that there are no truly dominant women while there are truly dominant men?


  1. Idiocy.
  2. Lunacy.
  3. Stupidity.
  4. Some of the above
  5. All of the Above
Take your pick.

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ORIGINAL: kitttty
Seriously, this is an opinion that is kind of commonly held in the kink community?

There are those who hold that opinion...but "serious" is to my mind giving them way too much credit.


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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 11:49:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kitttty

What is it that people sometimes say on this board? That there are no truly dominant women? No 100% Dommes or something?

Is it true that this is some kind of repeated debate?

Why? Why on earth would some people think that there are no truly dominant women while there are truly dominant men?

Seriously, this is an opinion that is kind of commonly held in the kink community?


A lot of folks confuse being domineering with being a dominant.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/23/2008 11:49:36 PM   
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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/24/2008 12:20:13 AM   
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Continuous rejection can make some people very bitter.


Very true or they are caught up in some fantasy based ideal of what a D type is and fail to see they are human beings as well.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/24/2008 1:13:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because there are foolish people everywhere who will believe only what they want to believe regardless if it is based on fact or not.

I am truly Dominant and I am a woman, period. I know this to be a fact and so do most other people, but there are some who would disagree solely based upon my gender. Those are the people that I just ignore because as my Mom used to say "Ignorance is sometimes best ignored". I live my life the way I see fit and do not hold it to anyone else's standard.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/24/2008 1:20:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

Continuous rejection can make some people very bitter.


Very true or they are caught up in some fantasy based ideal of what a D type is and fail to see they are human beings as well.


Too true. I got an email the other day saying that I couldn't be a Domme, as I'm just too short.

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RE: No true dominant women? Why? - 1/24/2008 1:21:16 AM   
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