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Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 5:59:45 PM   
MsSimone


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For those who don't understand why a professional dominatrix might be an option for some let me try to clarify. I have been in my chosen profession now for 15 years.  I enjoy what I do greatly and am blessed to have many wonderful clients.  Was this my path when younger?  No.  Did I finish college and decide I wanted to become a dominatrix?  No.  But my path lead me to a career I would not trade for the world and let me tell you all why:
1.  I get to use my skills to enhance the lives of those who see me.  Repression of desire is a healthy thing, but only to a point.  Beyond that point, it can cause many illnesses, both mental and physical.  To deny yourself the expression of these desires is to deny your soul.  Unfortunately many can not come out into the light and seek open play partners.  One of the main differences between a lifestyle and a professional is the discretion policy.  Like lawyers, doctors and psychiatrists, my code of ethics prevents me from divulging my client information.  Lifestyle players, no matter how much they claim to be discrete always run the risk of exposure, especially if an emotional attachment develops.  With a professional, the client can be assured the scene will remain in a contained context.
2.  Seeing someone open up to me in a safe environment and shedding old issues, guilts and problems.  Having them develop with my guidance into a healthier human being.
3.  Assisting those who have no where else to turn for this type of expression.  Within a lifestyle setting certain laws apply, mainly those of attraction and life goals.  None of these come into play when seeing a professional.  I don't care how old (as long as 18+), how attractive, how skinny, how employed, single or married my clients are.  My goal is to assist them with becoming comfortable with their own kinks, not to marry them.  There is no fear of living up to what is expected of you by society; just of living up to your own kinks and those of the person helping you facilitate them.
4.  The variety of personalities.  I love those who come see me.  Each day is different for me with new people, new modes of expression and new ideas.  Nothing is the same.  Each time I spank or flog someone, the scenario and energy involved is completely unique.  For some, the time with their domina is the only intimate time and connection they get with another human bring.  Why would you want to deny this to someone just because you do not understand the profession?
5.  My ability to help those who, otherwise, would have no outlet.  Think outside your boxed opinion of us as hookers, skanks, and money hungry bitches and try to see the need for us.  Many of my clients are in some way physically challenged.  Lifestyle play for them is not an option as they are not able to maneuver the environment.  I see many who can not leave their homes due to a handicap.  They have self confidence issues and are afraid to take the steps or unable to take the steps to gain a lifestyle partner.  With a domme, they know they will not be rejected.  They know professionalism will be present and their condition will not be laughed at or scorned.
Beyond the obvious handicaps, many prefer a professional due to their self confidence and self esteem issues or the fear of discovery within their immediate world.  A young man or woman just feeling these desires can come to a professional, verbalize them and not face the huge fear of rejection. Nor the fear of having the other person "tell on them". 6.  Maintaining a healthy family unit.  Now before you all go off on me, think about it.  Many I see are involved with their primary family units (married, committed, kids, divorce, parents).  Their fetishes are consuming and mind numbing, distracting them from the focus of need.  They come see me for a short period of time, every so often.  This allows self expression and is a relief of the pressure valve in their head.  It helps keep them centered and saner.  It provides them with a safe, non sexual expression of their kink, which may be shameful or impossible to express to their loved ones.  We all have hidden desires and needs that we prefer not to tell our loved ones about.  Seeing a professional allows them not to break their marriage vows, not cheat on their loved ones and not be shamed to their family.  Let’s return to "non-sexual".  Regardless of what you may hear from those who bash us, a true, non professional dominatrix does not engage in sexual interaction with her clients.  By this I mean such activities as oral service, anal rimming, forced bi, cuckolding and masturbation.  These are things I do not do.  I do not need to.  The two biggest sexual organs we have as humans are our brain and skin.  My biggest challenge as a domina is access to the mind and allow its deepest desires to become modes of self growth, not self chastisement. Many prodommes see couples to help them understand these desires and fetishes in each other.  As a form of couple’s therapy, I would like to know how anyone can misconstrue that as skanky.
Now let me stipulate this is just my own opinion. Yes there are degrees within this profession as is everything in life.  There are some who just put up an online profile demanding cash because they are the "princess, goddess, mistress, cute, young, severe, etc.”  These women do our profession a great disservice by latching onto the prodomina title.  They have not earned it, or truly understand what it is we do.  Therefore, I can understand how the cyber world can frown on money dommes.  But look beyond all the fluff and you will find many talented, intelligent, honorable prodommes who give back to the community in many ways.
My final point will not be well received but I am going to state it anyway.  Lifestyle dommes, you claim to not be professional.  Yet many of you focus on the service a male sub can provide you, the things he can do for you because you are the Mistress after all.  This can range from simple housework to full-blown gift purchasing.  So, please do tell me who is more honest?  Those of us who clearly state our motives and take the green stuff or those of you who bash us yet expect gifts, dinners and service?  Why not add up all you gain from the males who serve you and see the dollar amount attached?
Please, allow us all our freedom of expression and life choices even if you don't agree with it.  After all, is that not the best thing about our world? The diversity?

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 6:02:28 PM   
Leatherist


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Married men.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 6:06:13 PM   
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do u pay taxes on this income?

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 6:32:54 PM   
KaramelGoddess


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I think you've made very good arguments for going Pro.  As long as it's legal in your state/country...then I think there is nothing wrong with it at all.
 
Good luck in your future endeavours.
 
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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 6:37:54 PM   
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I totally understand why MANY on here NEED to go to a Pro Domina.
 
IF you only seek a relationship of the Do-Me kind, with no real committment.
 
It is an ideal and viable option.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 6:41:53 PM   
MistressOfGa


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsSimone

For those who don't understand why a professional dominatrix might be an option for some let me try to clarify. I have been in my chosen profession now for 15 years.  I enjoy what I do greatly and am blessed to have many wonderful clients.  Was this my path when younger?  No.  Did I finish college and decide I wanted to become a dominatrix?  No.  But my path lead me to a career I would not trade for the world and let me tell you all why:
1.  I get to use my skills to enhance the lives of those who see me.  Repression of desire is a healthy thing, but only to a point.  Beyond that point, it can cause many illnesses, both mental and physical.  To deny yourself the expression of these desires is to deny your soul.  Unfortunately many can not come out into the light and seek open play partners.  One of the main differences between a lifestyle and a professional is the discretion policy.  Like lawyers, doctors and psychiatrists, my code of ethics prevents me from divulging my client information.  Lifestyle players, no matter how much they claim to be discrete always run the risk of exposure, especially if an emotional attachment develops.  With a professional, the client can be assured the scene will remain in a contained context.
2.  Seeing someone open up to me in a safe environment and shedding old issues, guilts and problems.  Having them develop with my guidance into a healthier human being.
3.  Assisting those who have no where else to turn for this type of expression.  Within a lifestyle setting certain laws apply, mainly those of attraction and life goals.  None of these come into play when seeing a professional.  I don't care how old (as long as 18+), how attractive, how skinny, how employed, single or married my clients are.  My goal is to assist them with becoming comfortable with their own kinks, not to marry them.  There is no fear of living up to what is expected of you by society; just of living up to your own kinks and those of the person helping you facilitate them.
4.  The variety of personalities.  I love those who come see me.  Each day is different for me with new people, new modes of expression and new ideas.  Nothing is the same.  Each time I spank or flog someone, the scenario and energy involved is completely unique.  For some, the time with their domina is the only intimate time and connection they get with another human bring.  Why would you want to deny this to someone just because you do not understand the profession?
5.  My ability to help those who, otherwise, would have no outlet.  Think outside your boxed opinion of us as hookers, skanks, and money hungry bitches and try to see the need for us.  Many of my clients are in some way physically challenged.  Lifestyle play for them is not an option as they are not able to maneuver the environment.  I see many who can not leave their homes due to a handicap.  They have self confidence issues and are afraid to take the steps or unable to take the steps to gain a lifestyle partner.  With a domme, they know they will not be rejected.  They know professionalism will be present and their condition will not be laughed at or scorned.
Beyond the obvious handicaps, many prefer a professional due to their self confidence and self esteem issues or the fear of discovery within their immediate world.  A young man or woman just feeling these desires can come to a professional, verbalize them and not face the huge fear of rejection. Nor the fear of having the other person "tell on them". 6.  Maintaining a healthy family unit.  Now before you all go off on me, think about it.  Many I see are involved with their primary family units (married, committed, kids, divorce, parents).  Their fetishes are consuming and mind numbing, distracting them from the focus of need.  They come see me for a short period of time, every so often.  This allows self expression and is a relief of the pressure valve in their head.  It helps keep them centered and saner.  It provides them with a safe, non sexual expression of their kink, which may be shameful or impossible to express to their loved ones.  We all have hidden desires and needs that we prefer not to tell our loved ones about.  Seeing a professional allows them not to break their marriage vows, not cheat on their loved ones and not be shamed to their family.  Let’s return to "non-sexual".  Regardless of what you may hear from those who bash us, a true, non professional dominatrix does not engage in sexual interaction with her clients.  By this I mean such activities as oral service, anal rimming, forced bi, cuckolding and masturbation.  These are things I do not do.  I do not need to.  The two biggest sexual organs we have as humans are our brain and skin.  My biggest challenge as a domina is access to the mind and allow its deepest desires to become modes of self growth, not self chastisement. Many prodommes see couples to help them understand these desires and fetishes in each other.  As a form of couple’s therapy, I would like to know how anyone can misconstrue that as skanky.
Now let me stipulate this is just my own opinion. Yes there are degrees within this profession as is everything in life.  There are some who just put up an online profile demanding cash because they are the "princess, goddess, mistress, cute, young, severe, etc.”  These women do our profession a great disservice by latching onto the prodomina title.  They have not earned it, or truly understand what it is we do.  Therefore, I can understand how the cyber world can frown on money dommes.  But look beyond all the fluff and you will find many talented, intelligent, honorable prodommes who give back to the community in many ways.
My final point will not be well received but I am going to state it anyway.  Lifestyle dommes, you claim to not be professional.  Yet many of you focus on the service a male sub can provide you, the things he can do for you because you are the Mistress after all.  This can range from simple housework to full-blown gift purchasing.  So, please do tell me who is more honest?  Those of us who clearly state our motives and take the green stuff or those of you who bash us yet expect gifts, dinners and service?  Why not add up all you gain from the males who serve you and see the dollar amount attached?
Please, allow us all our freedom of expression and life choices even if you don't agree with it.  After all, is that not the best thing about our world? The diversity?


  Good for you! Although I could not do what you do as far as taking money, I think that you provide a wonderful service and those that go and see you are very lucky to have the availability of someone like you. Keep on keepin' on!

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 6:57:40 PM   
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I think ProDommes provide a service in which there is a demand for and I think clients are better off in the hands of a professional then to try  some of the things we do with an amature. As far as moral issues goes thats between the Pro and her client, the Pro isn't responsible for straying husbands or failed marriages, that problem lies between the two who took the vows.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 7:34:11 PM   
AtlantaMistress


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quote:

ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

do u pay taxes on this income?


I am a Pro Domme, but have no desire to use this forum to justify what I do or why I do it. If you are interested - read my profile, journal, and other posts, you will then get an idea of who I am. I am honest, hold true to my integrety, and live my life with a sense of peace and happiness I could never have imagined.  I could care less what others, particularly those that do not know me, think of what I do or anything about me for that matter. I teach my kids that the only person's opinion that you need to be concerned with is the one you see in the mirror, and I lay my head down at night knowing I am a good person and happy with the decisions I have made in how I live my life.

To answer the question though - no, I do not have to pay tax unless I receive more than $12,000 from one sub - since it is tribute (a gift) so Uncle Sam doesn't get a penny. I paid high taxes (because of my income level) for many years, and now I take about 10% of what I receive and give to charities of my choice. I also am often known to help others who are lost and trying to get their lives back together since I went through that at one point. I am very generous in that way, not only with my $, but with something much more valuable, my time.


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 7:56:10 PM   
faerytattoodgirl


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i think im going to have to try this...


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 7:56:42 PM   
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I have no problem at all with prodomination (see my journal entry on the subject). I do, however, have a problem with anyone who earns high $'s and doesn't think they need to pay taxes. And yes, I use EARN, because that is exactly what you are doing. EARNING money for professional services and not paying tax. You can call it a "tribute", "gift" or anything else you like, but the fact is that you're still earning and should be doing what the rest of the workers in the world are doing.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 7:58:59 PM   
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Your rant was very well written.  However, a few words, if I may.
quote:

ORIGINAL: MsSimone

For those who don't understand why a professional dominatrix might be an option for some let me try to clarify. I have been in my chosen profession now for 15 years.  I enjoy what I do greatly and am blessed to have many wonderful clients.  Was this my path when younger?  No.  Did I finish college and decide I wanted to become a dominatrix?  No.  But my path lead me to a career I would not trade for the world and let me tell you all why:

First let Me say that each person makes their own choices.  You made the choice that was right for you.  For some of us, we don't consider it an option.  It's up to the individual.
quote:


1.  I get to use my skills to enhance the lives of those who see me.  Repression of desire is a healthy thing, but only to a point.  Beyond that point, it can cause many illnesses, both mental and physical.  To deny yourself the expression of these desires is to deny your soul.  Unfortunately many can not come out into the light and seek open play partners.  One of the main differences between a lifestyle and a professional is the discretion policy.  Like lawyers, doctors and psychiatrists, my code of ethics prevents me from divulging my client information.  Lifestyle players, no matter how much they claim to be discrete always run the risk of exposure, especially if an emotional attachment develops.  With a professional, the client can be assured the scene will remain in a contained context.

I have problems with some of this.  For starters, going to a pro does not guarentee discretion.  Unlike doctors or lawyers, it's not like your going to loose your license or be disbarred should you out a client.  I'm sure it wouldn't be particularly good for business if you did so, but it's not exactly like any of the clients have a legal recourse should you not hold your own word. 

Also, in the day and age of the net, plenty of people make arrangements of casual play without having to 'come into the light'.  It's been that way for a rather long time now, and I highly doubt it's going to change anytime soon.
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2.  Seeing someone open up to me in a safe environment and shedding old issues, guilts and problems.  Having them develop with my guidance into a healthier human being.

This differs from a healthy, casual play arrangement how?  Would you suppose that those of us who only do casual play never take the time with our bottoms to talk, get to know them, or offer opportunities to be intimate in a non-sexual way?
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3.  Assisting those who have no where else to turn for this type of expression.  Within a lifestyle setting certain laws apply, mainly those of attraction and life goals.  None of these come into play when seeing a professional.  I don't care how old (as long as 18+), how attractive, how skinny, how employed, single or married my clients are.  My goal is to assist them with becoming comfortable with their own kinks, not to marry them.  There is no fear of living up to what is expected of you by society; just of living up to your own kinks and those of the person helping you facilitate them.

I'm not especially buying that one either.  In fact, the question of what a person does for a living has never come up during negotiations for a casual scene. 
quote:


4.  The variety of personalities.  I love those who come see me.  Each day is different for me with new people, new modes of expression and new ideas.  Nothing is the same.  Each time I spank or flog someone, the scenario and energy involved is completely unique.  For some, the time with their domina is the only intimate time and connection they get with another human bring.  Why would you want to deny this to someone just because you do not understand the profession?

I know it was not intended in your reply, but why would you think that the bottoms that some scene with casually have no value to the top?  Anyone who still participates in casual play will tell you that the energy is different with everyone.  The scenes constantly change.  The atmosphere constantly changes.  Each bottom brings something unique.
quote:


5.  My ability to help those who, otherwise, would have no outlet.  Think outside your boxed opinion of us as hookers, skanks, and money hungry bitches and try to see the need for us.  Many of my clients are in some way physically challenged.  Lifestyle play for them is not an option as they are not able to maneuver the environment.  I see many who can not leave their homes due to a handicap.  They have self confidence issues and are afraid to take the steps or unable to take the steps to gain a lifestyle partner.  With a domme, they know they will not be rejected.  They know professionalism will be present and their condition will not be laughed at or scorned.

The real question is, if the money factor weren't involved, would you be seeing them anyway?  If you weren't being paid, would you still spend the time, if not in the same sense or actvities, with them?
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Beyond the obvious handicaps, many prefer a professional due to their self confidence and self esteem issues or the fear of discovery within their immediate world.  A young man or woman just feeling these desires can come to a professional, verbalize them and not face the huge fear of rejection. Nor the fear of having the other person "tell on them".

I think I already addressed this above.

quote:


6.  Maintaining a healthy family unit.  Now before you all go off on me, think about it.  Many I see are involved with their primary family units (married, committed, kids, divorce, parents).  Their fetishes are consuming and mind numbing, distracting them from the focus of need.  They come see me for a short period of time, every so often.  This allows self expression and is a relief of the pressure valve in their head.  It helps keep them centered and saner.  It provides them with a safe, non sexual expression of their kink, which may be shameful or impossible to express to their loved ones.  We all have hidden desires and needs that we prefer not to tell our loved ones about.  Seeing a professional allows them not to break their marriage vows, not cheat on their loved ones and not be shamed to their family. 

Sorry, but you absolutely lost Me on this one.  My own sub doesn't break his marriage vows by seeing Me.  He has a hard limit in place specifically for that.  In addition to this, he doesn't take away a single penny from his family in order to see Me.  Very specifically, I've met the wife, and the kids.  I don't ask for anything, monetary or otherwise, that effects his family.  I'm not so sure that seeing a pro is the same thing.
quote:


Let’s return to "non-sexual".  Regardless of what you may hear from those who bash us, a true, non professional dominatrix does not engage in sexual interaction with her clients.  By this I mean such activities as oral service, anal rimming, forced bi, cuckolding and masturbation.  These are things I do not do.  I do not need to.  The two biggest sexual organs we have as humans are our brain and skin.  My biggest challenge as a domina is access to the mind and allow its deepest desires to become modes of self growth, not self chastisement. Many prodommes see couples to help them understand these desires and fetishes in each other.  As a form of couple’s therapy, I would like to know how anyone can misconstrue that as skanky.

Yes, let's return to the non-sexual.  I believe that is true in many cases.  When I do a casual top/bottom scene, there isn't any sex involved in that either, so I get that part.  I'll even give you the part that it can be good for couples, as I know this is already the case of My sub in his interactions with his wife.  Just an example, but she was thrilled with her first pedicure, which he got used to doing because of his service to Me.  My sub does apply what he learns from Me and puts it in his primary relationship.  However, I would not be so bold as to think I am on the same level as a couple's therapist for this. 
quote:


Now let me stipulate this is just my own opinion. Yes there are degrees within this profession as is everything in life.  There are some who just put up an online profile demanding cash because they are the "princess, goddess, mistress, cute, young, severe, etc.”  These women do our profession a great disservice by latching onto the prodomina title.  They have not earned it, or truly understand what it is we do. 

Agreed.  In fact, there are some prodommes that I have a great respect for.
quote:


Therefore, I can understand how the cyber world can frown on money dommes.  But look beyond all the fluff and you will find many talented, intelligent, honorable prodommes who give back to the community in many ways.
My final point will not be well received but I am going to state it anyway.  Lifestyle dommes, you claim to not be professional.  Yet many of you focus on the service a male sub can provide you, the things he can do for you because you are the Mistress after all.  This can range from simple housework to full-blown gift purchasing.  So, please do tell me who is more honest?  Those of us who clearly state our motives and take the green stuff or those of you who bash us yet expect gifts, dinners and service?  Why not add up all you gain from the males who serve you and see the dollar amount attached?

Actually, in fact, I do.  That is the very reason that gifts are not a part of the arrangement that I have with the casual bottoms that I play with.  I don't ask anything from them but their time, honesty, and communication.  The only exception to this has been that some of the bottoms that I play with remembered My last birthday, and gave Me a simple card and present.  My submissive has bought Me things, of course, but the goods and services between tend to equal out.  If he runs to the store to buy eggs and milk to make Me waffles, it's the same as My buying the flour and providing the kitchen for him to make them.  If you added everything up, including what it would cost him for a hotel the nights he sleeps in My house, I'd be willing to bet that he is way far ahead with his time and money.  On top of this, he gets what he obviously needs so much.
quote:


Please, allow us all our freedom of expression and life choices even if you don't agree with it.  After all, is that not the best thing about our world? The diversity?

Yes, the diversity is a wonderful thing.  So are the options.

I'm sure you have clients who wouldn't trade you for the world.  That is not a problem for Me.  I am sorry that they feel that they are in the situation that they have no choice but to pay someone to express their desire in this life.  I really do.  Still, I wonder if they had the opportunity, when they made the call to schedule their first session, if they wished that they had the option of seeing 'just' a lifestyle Domme, like Me, who still does the casual play thing, just for fun.  There really are still some of us out here who do it, just for the love of doing it.  Oh, I realize there aren't many of us left, but we are still out there.

I would like to thank you for your time in expressing your view.  I hope you were not offended by Mine.


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 8:14:19 PM   
TrampleDomme


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

I have no problem at all with prodomination (see my journal entry on the subject). I do, however, have a problem with anyone who earns high $'s and doesn't think they need to pay taxes. And yes, I use EARN, because that is exactly what you are doing. EARNING money for professional services and not paying tax. You can call it a "tribute", "gift" or anything else you like, but the fact is that you're still earning and should be doing what the rest of the workers in the world are doing.


I sell my shoes and use the money to buy new ones, but do not pay tax on that. People that make the most money often are able to get around paying taxes. The average "worker" may be forced to pay tax, but most business owners I know write off almost as much as they make. The smarter you are...more power to you!


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 8:19:52 PM   
AtlantaMistress


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ORIGINAL: TrampleDomme

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

I have no problem at all with prodomination (see my journal entry on the subject). I do, however, have a problem with anyone who earns high $'s and doesn't think they need to pay taxes. And yes, I use EARN, because that is exactly what you are doing. EARNING money for professional services and not paying tax. You can call it a "tribute", "gift" or anything else you like, but the fact is that you're still earning and should be doing what the rest of the workers in the world are doing.


I sell my shoes and use the money to buy new ones, but do not pay tax on that. People that make the most money often are able to get around paying taxes. The average "worker" may be forced to pay tax, but most business owners I know write off almost as much as they make. The smarter you are...more power to you!


Again - I am much different than most Pro Dommes in that I do not take sessions form most men - and will not see someone who wishes to pay me to Dominate them in a certain activity. I have real D/s relationships with the men I see, and although I do understand that most Pro Dommes offer professional services, where they are paid to do just that, I am given a tribute in order for a sub to really serve me, and find his enjoyment in making me happy. As I said, you can read my profile or journals, and I am not passing judgement on how others do it differently...I have just been able to create my own rules and live very simply in order to be able to live by them without compromise.



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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/27/2008 8:34:38 PM   
ShaktiSama


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My final point will not be well received but I am going to state it anyway.  Lifestyle dommes, you claim to not be professional.  Yet many of you focus on the service a male sub can provide you, the things he can do for you because you are the Mistress after all.  This can range from simple housework to full-blown gift purchasing.  So, please do tell me who is more honest?  Those of us who clearly state our motives and take the green stuff or those of you who bash us yet expect gifts, dinners and service?  Why not add up all you gain from the males who serve you and see the dollar amount attached?


You're right, this isn't well-received.  In fact, I think this is the most foolish, self-deluding nonsense I've ever heard from a pro domme--even if some of the others think this way, most of them have the sense and the social skills not to say it so rudely and self-righteously in a public forum.

Personally, I have defended the pro domme many a time here on CM.  I have stated more than once that there is nothing morally or legally wrong with providing a needed outlet for sexual expression in exchange for money, regardless of the gender of the players or the acts involved in the exchange.  And I have always said that pro dommes are a valuable resource for the community in many ways.

On the other hand, I do not and will NEVER equate professional services for cash with the give and take of a genuine loving relationship--D/S or not.  Quite honestly, that is demeaning and insulting to both you as a professional AND to the "lifestyle" domme who is in it for her own happiness.

The fact is, as a lifestyle domme I am not being "bought" by my partners--regardless of what they do to please me.

And as a pro domme, you are not being "loved" by yours--regardless of how much they pay.

I'm not going to even TRY to get into the level of insult being dealt here to those submissive men who are actually healthy and functional enough to carry on a real D/S relationship with a woman.  If you want to really know what those men are "worth", please--ask any woman here who lives with a submissive she genuinely loves, and who genuinely loves her, how much money she would take in exchange for him.

Come on, ladies, 'fess up.  What's he worth to ya?  Would you trade him for a cash estimate on a professional cook and housekeeper?  I'll make sure they're professionally trained.

No?  You'd rather eat a dinner made with love by your man than something prepared by a professional chef who doesn't give a fuck about you?  You say you can "taste the love"?

Ok, well, how about a nice flat sum then--say, all the money that even the most byootiful, busiest, best-paid pro domme in the world can make in a year.  What would that come to, do you think--a million dollars?

No?  Not good enough?

How about two million dollars?

Fine, that's not enough, I get it.  Tell you what.  Name one of our society's most successful whores--Ivanna Trump, Anna Nichole Smith, whoever.  I'll dump the contents of all her bank accounts into a nice numbered Swiss account for you.  All you have to do is give up the love you searched all your life to find.  Fair deal, right?

What?  You say there is not a check of ANY DAMNED SIZE that would be worth saying goodbye to the man you love, and never seeing his face or feeling his touch or hearing his voice again?  You say you would rather watch him mop the linoleum in the house you can afford now than watch a legion of paid servants scrub the marble tiles of a mansion in the south of France?

Aw, c'mon!  Be a sport here.  I'm not saying you'd have to watch me shoot him in the head or throw him in the meatgrinder.  Let's say that he would get instant amnesia, and forget you ever existed.  I'll even arrange that he find some other very nice domme and live happily ever after and--

...all right, all right.  Never mind.  I can see by those tears in your eyes that this line of thought isn't very damned funny.  Because this kind of love is so hard to find that even the thought of losing it or throwing it away for money makes you feel physically ill.

Seriously, MsSimone--for a stupidity of this magnitude, you should be ashamed.  I am sure there are plenty of fakers and idiots out there, who pretend to be "lifestyle" dommes but are really just usurious bitches.  But don't paint us all with that brush.  And don't equate what a good man  has to give the woman he loves with the pitiful few sheckels that your clients throw your way, because that is just...pathetic beyond words.

Real relationships with real love and mutual giving cannot be totted up by your accountant.  If you've somehow come to believe they can, your profession truly has corrupted you.  

We are not professional fantasy dispensers to the men in our lives...and you are not lovers, mistresses or wives to your clients.  So let's cultivate some mutual respect here, and recognize that while we may be equals, the things we do are NOT equivalent.

When I meet a man who needs to submit, and has nothing to offer but cash--I'll send him to you.

If you meet a man who needs to submit, and has nothing to offer but his heart--you send him to me. 

< Message edited by ShaktiSama -- 1/27/2008 8:41:58 PM >


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/28/2008 8:56:13 AM   
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That was beautiful, ShaktiSama.  Thank you.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/28/2008 9:40:09 AM   
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quote:

RedMagic1:
That was beautiful, ShaktiSama.  Thank you.


I have to agree.  *This* pretty much says it all:

quote:

ShaktiSama:
Seriously, MsSimone--for a stupidity of this magnitude, you should be ashamed.  I am sure there are plenty of fakers and idiots out there, who pretend to be "lifestyle" dommes but are really just usurious bitches.  But don't paint us all with that brush.  And don't equate what a good man  has to give the woman he loves with the pitiful few sheckels that your clients throw your way, because that is just...pathetic beyond words.

Real relationships with real love and mutual giving cannot be totted up by your accountant.  If you've somehow come to believe they can, your profession truly has corrupted you.  

We are not professional fantasy dispensers to the men in our lives...and you are not lovers, mistresses or wives to your clients.  So let's cultivate some mutual respect here, and recognize that while we may be equals, the things we do are NOT equivalent.

When I meet a man who needs to submit, and has nothing to offer but cash--I'll send him to you.

If you meet a man who needs to submit, and has nothing to offer but his heart--you send him to me.


*gives ShaktiSama a standing ovation*

Elan.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/28/2008 9:47:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
The fact is, as a lifestyle domme I am not being "bought" by my partners--regardless of what they do to please me.

And as a pro domme, you are not being "loved" by yours--regardless of how much they pay.

This is one of the two reasons I could never patron a pro Domme.

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When I meet a man who needs to submit, and has nothing to offer but cash--I'll send him to you.

If you meet a man who needs to submit, and has nothing to offer but his heart--you send him to me. 

This is the other one.

I fully appreciate that some guys want that kind of interaction and are willing to shell out for it. More power to'm.

But personally, I can't serve someone when it feels conditional. I don't cook for someone, buy them a gift, pick up the special dog food that's the only brand their sick pup can eat because I feel that "Oh oh, if I don't do this, she won't want to spank me anymore!" I do it because I have genuine affection for them and it makes me feel good to do those things. If that conditional modifier is there in any way, whether it's a pro Domme's tribute or a "lifestyler's" demanded gifts...It's not going to happen.

And frankly, I don't have the money to give in the first place. If my affection and submission and caring can only be measured monetarily, than it's going to come up damn short. If, say, a mushy-but-well-intentioned poem, or a book suggestion, or a home cooked meal, or a picture I took on the way to work because I thought they might think it was pretty is the rubric...Then there's a lot to offer.

EDIT: Now, I don't this mean this as an attack on the pro Domme profession, or the good it can do a person. I was just taken aback by the suggestion that my non-pro friends who have been so kind to me and whom I love were somehow duping us. That was all.


< Message edited by aidan -- 1/28/2008 9:50:11 AM >


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/28/2008 11:27:32 AM   
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I think there may be several schools of thought here. Yes, Pro Dommes provide a much needed service, and fair play for doing that. However, to maintain a relationship with a submissive, he would need to be able to visit on a very regular basis. Not just once every few months.

Visiting a lifestyle Domina is more about time and effort, and while i know some guys visit just because, i assume most want to be involved in a D/s style relationship. Either on a permanent or at least continuos basis. For many who wish to serve, it isnt about the BDSM, its about the interaction on a more spiritual level. For many who visit a Pro Domme its about the BDSM side of things. There is nothing wrong with either way, both are just.... Different.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/28/2008 11:38:03 AM   
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I have no problem with ProDommes.  I refer new comers to them because they need to try out the life and see if that is what they want to do.  Then they can look for a relationship with a Domme.
 
Regards, MissSCD

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/28/2008 1:20:19 PM   
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I think it important to note, neither pro nor life-style need to validate or justify, the opinions of others belong to them exclusively.  

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