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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 4:43:12 PM

Griswold

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And...by the way....

(I don't wear underwear).

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 4:43:49 PM

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And...by the way....

(I don't wear underwear).

pics?

*grin*

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 4:44:01 PM

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And...by the way....

(I don't wear underwear).

its the 21st century...nobody wears underwear...

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 4:49:23 PM

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I should probably avow, for those that refuse to go to links....

Here be what dey sayud (abbreviated):

"The house was ravaged — its floors ripped, walls busted and lights smashed by owners who trashed their home before a bank foreclosed on it. Hidden in the wreckage was an abandoned member of the family: a starving pit bull.

The dog found by workers was too far gone to save — another example of how pets are becoming the newest victims of the nation's mortgage crisis as homeowners leave animals behind when they can no longer afford their property.

Pets "are getting dumped all over," said Traci Jennings, president of the Humane Society of Stanislaus County in northern California. The first people to enter an abandoned house, such as property inspectors and real estate brokers, have discovered dogs tied to trees in backyards, cats in garages, and turtles, rabbits and lizards in children's bedrooms".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080129/ap_on_re_us/foreclosure_pets

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 4:50:26 PM

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That's an incredibly sad statement to read! I rather enjoy forcing underwear down.

And Griswold, photographic evidence is a must-see.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 4:51:29 PM

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Yes, it's wrong, irresponsible, cruel, even. But to call for their ritualised, barbaric murder is bordering on insane. Wake up, peeps.

I think I'll stand with the "I'll respectfully disagree" crowd on this one.

I'd be completely fine with public hanging, genital dismemberment, and of course, the logical follow on of their Mother standing in front of their rotting corpse holding a very large sign for absolute public display stating "What the FUCK were you THINKING????....I never Loved you, you piece of unadulterated human sewage!"

(But that's just me).

That's some fucked-up shit. I say this respectfully, of course

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 4:53:32 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Yes, it's wrong, irresponsible, cruel, even. But to call for their ritualised, barbaric murder is bordering on insane. Wake up, peeps.

I think I'll stand with the "I'll respectfully disagree" crowd on this one.

I'd be completely fine with public hanging, genital dismemberment, and of course, the logical follow on of their Mother standing in front of their rotting corpse holding a very large sign for absolute public display stating "What the FUCK were you THINKING????....I never Loved you, you piece of unadulterated human sewage!"

(But that's just me).

That's some fucked-up shit. I say this respectfully, of course .

Thank you.

(I'm here all week....please remember to tip your waitress).

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 5:33:10 PM

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The law certainly doesn't equate a human life with an animal life

The law may not (which is how these things get to happen). I, however, do.
Besides, the same explanation applies in both cases; only the species of the victim varies.

So, if it's not an adequate explanation in that case, why is it an adequate explanation in this case?

If there is an inconsistency between the two, it's an excuse, not an explanation.
If there isn't an inconsistency, then what the law equates to what else, is irrelevant.

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P.S.: I wasn't going to turn it into a debate on the death penalty, either. I just used it as a frame of reference: since the only difference is what people are calling for it to be applied to, the argument is analogous to that one, and thus I see no reason to be befuddled that some would call for blood here.

P.P.S.: I didn't read you to be defending them, either, just noted that it seems likely to me that you would find your explanation to be either inadequate or irrelevant if the victim was a human, rather than an animal. If that is the case, then the same holds true here, except insofar as one admits that it is an actual defense, albeit an unintended one.

P.P.P.S.: I'm often wrong, and often right; guessing at which is the case is always an exercise for the reader.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 5:39:00 PM

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(But that's just me).

I'd be personally fine with it, but I'd not advocate the necessary societal configuration that could lead to such an event, so I'd also be personally upset that society expressed my personal feelings by collective actions, as feelings aren't a good basis for any judiciary system, IMO. So, depending on the details of what you meant by what you said, it may not just be you.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 5:47:42 PM

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I'm sorry, but I think the level of vitriol here is way out of whack and shows remarkably little compassion for the families in distress. Furthermore, what it also shows is a breakdown of our civil services- where is animal control in all this?

Hypothetical-

Family with 2 kids and a dog. Sheriff shows up and says you have to leave- now. You can't take the dog with you because they're not allowed in the shelter. And you can't show back up on the property or you're liable to be arrested. Your kids are crying, your wife is pissed, and your crying too because you feel like a failure. What exactly do you do with the dog? Call somebody? Odds are your phone's been disconnected and cell phone minutes can be expensive. Ask the cop to shoot your dog in front of the kids? You think the kids are going to be happy knowing their dog is dead? Maybe it's easier to give the kids a fantasy to cling to- that we're just leaving for a little bit, and we'll come back and play with Rover in a few days.

So yeah- it sucks that people don't take care of their animals. I'm still of the generation that says you take care of your own dog- and I still remember when I came back after sailing for a week and discovered our Newfie pup had died. (His littermate had a machinery heart murmur- odds are this dog had a bad heart too.) So crying and pissed off, I dug a hole in the backyard to bury my dog-but it wasn't easy- Newfie's take a big hole. And I gather these days that you're supposed to bring the corpse in to have the vet take care of it- and they charge you for it.

But this does seem like a breakdown in civil services. I think it may be a bit much to ask people during an obviously stressful time to take care of their pets, especially if the shelters aren't accepting them. So I think the people doing the foreclosing should ask if there are animals that need to be dealt with and do so after the family has vacated. Don't they check on gas and electricity? Isn't this what we pay taxes for?

Sam

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 5:49:53 PM

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I'm sorry, but I think the level of vitriol here is way out of whack and shows remarkably little compassion for the families in distress. Furthermore, what it also shows is a breakdown of our civil services- where is animal control in all this?

Hypothetical-

Family with 2 kids and a dog. Sheriff shows up and says you have to leave- now. You can't take the dog with you because they're not allowed in the shelter. And you can't show back up on the property or you're liable to be arrested. Your kids are crying, your wife is pissed, and your crying too because you feel like a failure. What exactly do you do with the dog? Call somebody? Odds are your phone's been disconnected and cell phone minutes can be expensive. Ask the cop to shoot your dog in front of the kids? You think the kids are going to be happy knowing their dog is dead? Maybe it's easier to give the kids a fantasy to cling to- that we're just leaving for a little bit, and we'll come back and play with Rover in a few days.

So yeah- it sucks that people don't take care of their animals. I'm still of the generation that says you take care of your own dog- and I still remember when I came back after sailing for a week and discovered our Newfie pup had died. (His littermate had a machinery heart murmur- odds are this dog had a bad heart too.) So crying and pissed off, I dug a hole in the backyard to bury my dog-but it wasn't easy- Newfie's take a big hole. And I gather these days that you're supposed to bring the corpse in to have the vet take care of it- and they charge you for it.

But this does seem like a breakdown in civil services. I think it may be a bit much to ask people during an obviously stressful time to take care of their pets, especially if the shelters aren't accepting them. So I think the people doing the foreclosing should ask if there are animals that need to be dealt with and do so after the family has vacated. Don't they check on gas and electricity? Isn't this what we pay taxes for?

Sam

In the story referenced by the OP, I seriously doubt the sheriffs were anywhere in the picture, seeing as the house where the dog was founf had been totally trashed. If those fuckwads had time to trash the house, then they by-god had time to take proper care of the dog. So.. do I have sympathy for those particular people? HELLNO. Do I have sympathy for people who lose their homes? Sure I do..if they arent the type to destroy property out of spite and abandon animals.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 5:52:08 PM

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Yeah. I tried to get a pet abandonment case prosecuted, but guess what - reptiles aren't legally considered "animals" in the eyes of the law, so you can starve, torture and abandon them all you want and not get what you deserve for it.

Unless I catch up with your sorry ass personally and make sure there are some consequences, which I did and will continue to do any time a situation like this comes to my attention.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 5:53:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: samboct

But this does seem like a breakdown in civil services. I think it may be a bit much to ask people during an obviously stressful time to take care of their pets, especially if the shelters aren't accepting them. So I think the people doing the foreclosing should ask if there are animals that need to be dealt with and do so after the family has vacated. Don't they check on gas and electricity? Isn't this what we pay taxes for?

Sam

I have great compassion for families that are losing their homes. It does not, however, excuse leaving pets behind to starve. Pet owners made a choice, and assumed responsibilty for their pets when they acquired them.

Take them to a shelter. There is no excuse to leave an animal to suffer and die. None.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 5:58:18 PM

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I would choose to send my wife and kids on to the shelter ahead of me and make time for taking the dog to the animal control. Or I'd ask the police officer if they'd call animal control for me. The police in most cases would be more than happy to make the call for you, and if they won't well then I'd do what I said before, go to the shelter after I drop my dog off.

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ORIGINAL: samboct

I'm sorry, but I think the level of vitriol here is way out of whack and shows remarkably little compassion for the families in distress. Furthermore, what it also shows is a breakdown of our civil services- where is animal control in all this?

Hypothetical-

Family with 2 kids and a dog. Sheriff shows up and says you have to leave- now. You can't take the dog with you because they're not allowed in the shelter. Sam

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:05:19 PM

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"Take them to a shelter. There is no excuse to leave an animal to suffer and die. None."

Yah- with what? If you're losing your house, why are you assuming these people still have a car? You want to try to take an animal to a shelter on a bus? I'm sorry, but if it's choice between feeding the kids and feeding the dog- the kids win.

So yes, the correct course of action may be to get everybody to a shelter, return to what's left of the house and shoot the poor dog, but you may get arrested for that one.

Again- it sounds like neither of us have walked a mile in these peoples shoes, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being. But I agree with Greedy Top- if you've got time to trash the house, odds are you've got time to deal with your dog in a reasonable manner. However, I'll bet most houses being abandoned aren't trashed in that fashion- that story has the feel of some digging for more journalistic "interest". Its the same kind of story like the multiple generational welfare family. Yes, they existed, it just took months to find one.

Sam

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:11:59 PM

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The story was so sick, i couldnt even finish reading it...

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:20:24 PM

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Unless I catch up with your sorry ass personally and make sure there are some consequences, which I did and will continue to do any time a situation like this comes to my attention.

Thanks. I really can't say much more than that: Thanks.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:28:03 PM

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samboct,

If you ever come up with a non-hypothetical scenario where there isn't a single better option than letting the pet starve, be sure to tell us. I tend to suspect that's a rarer beast than even the multi-generational welfare family example, as I've dealt with more than a few pets where nobody even cared to look for another option. The threshold for intentional cruelty and/or killing of animals of other species than human is virtually zero in many people. And in these cases, we're not even talking about that. We're talking about letting them starve to death. That someone might have them put down in such a scenario, I can be more forgiving of.

Letting them starve...

Well, if the laws of a society mandates that one do so, it's time to take a stand, or prove oneself unfit to live.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:28:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: samboct

I'm sorry, but I think the level of vitriol here is way out of whack and shows remarkably little compassion for the families in distress. Furthermore, what it also shows is a breakdown of our civil services- where is animal control in all this?

Hypothetical-

Family with 2 kids and a dog. Sheriff shows up and says you have to leave- now. You can't take the dog with you because they're not allowed in the shelter. And you can't show back up on the property or you're liable to be arrested. Your kids are crying, your wife is pissed, and your crying too because you feel like a failure. What exactly do you do with the dog? Call somebody? Odds are your phone's been disconnected and cell phone minutes can be expensive. Ask the cop to shoot your dog in front of the kids? You think the kids are going to be happy knowing their dog is dead? Maybe it's easier to give the kids a fantasy to cling to- that we're just leaving for a little bit, and we'll come back and play with Rover in a few days.

So yeah- it sucks that people don't take care of their animals. I'm still of the generation that says you take care of your own dog- and I still remember when I came back after sailing for a week and discovered our Newfie pup had died. (His littermate had a machinery heart murmur- odds are this dog had a bad heart too.) So crying and pissed off, I dug a hole in the backyard to bury my dog-but it wasn't easy- Newfie's take a big hole. And I gather these days that you're supposed to bring the corpse in to have the vet take care of it- and they charge you for it.

But this does seem like a breakdown in civil services. I think it may be a bit much to ask people during an obviously stressful time to take care of their pets, especially if the shelters aren't accepting them. So I think the people doing the foreclosing should ask if there are animals that need to be dealt with and do so after the family has vacated. Don't they check on gas and electricity? Isn't this what we pay taxes for?

Sam

WTF???? I bolded the part I wanted to address....yes you call somebody, what's worth more, some expensive cell phone minutes or a life, especially if it's animal. They are defenseless, and no matter for what reason, good or bad, with fault, or faultless, in a situation you put them in. I am looking for employment at present, and times are very tight.....in the last year we have taken into our home 3 cats (they were kittens but are getting huge). One showed up on the back porch and had sarcoptic mange(which only dogs get I was told by the vet). Did I have the money to take that cat to the vet? Absolutely not. That is no exageration, there is no extra funds here. Could I have lived with myself if I would have watched a very sweet animal that I could tell was dumped in my neighborhood for it's illness (granted, it was not inexpensive to treat, neuter, etc, so I understand not haviung the funds)wasting away literally in front of my eyes over the space of a week? Hell no! I was fortunate enough in that I was able to BORROW the money (and am still paying it back) to get the cat medical care. Am I saying that people need to go get into further financial straits as I chose to do by taking on the responsibilities of 3 cats, from fourfold amounts of litter and food? No. Am I saying that if nothing else, those suckass sorry excuses for people can use some of what you are calling expensive cell phone minutes to call a shelter, or animal control, if they cannot keep them, instead of assuming someone else will call, or in effect, not giving a shit if someone does or not? Hell yes. To know you are leaving anything living that is defenseless to starve or fend for itself, and to use your example, to perpetuate that by showing and fostering that attitude in your children, is an abomination.

I'm sure there are typos as the callous statement I responded to made me type as quickly as I could so I didn't forget what I was trying to say.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:31:31 PM

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I agreee there is no excuse EVER to leave an animal to suffer and die, absolutely not ever. I understand all to well about hardship and people getting in over there heads ect ect it is damned easy to do but there are always options even if tragically that option is having a pet humanely euthanised.

I also makes sure my kids and pets are fed first and foremost and i also know that my pets will have homes should I ever need to part with them (god forbid that would ever happen because they are my fur kids)

But I cannot imagine what kind of person could just abandon an animal (well I can and it is a person that I cannot feel compassion for even if they have lost everything) I dont care what the circumstances are, if you care so little for your pets why on earth would you get one in the first place.

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