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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:31:52 PM

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I tend to agree with Rule. Whilst it's unforgivable to be cruel to pets, I can understand that some people forget about their responsibilities when they loose their homes. Not that it makes it okay, but it certainly explains it.

And I'm horrified that some are calling for their murder. What's the matter with you?!!!

I'm going to say something that I have never said here before: "I totally agree with you, Kittinsol!"

Really, what these poor pets were forced to endure is sickening. But my heart bleeds a little for the homeless humans and their offspring too. I know their dire straits doesn't make what they did OK but, as she said, it might explain their state of mind a bit.

Regardless of why, in the final analysis of things, my sympathy goes out to all the people losing their homes too. It's easy to sit back and judge and worry about the pets, but one never knows exactly how they would react until they are in that position. I'm not saying their behavior should be excused but I can see how they may be so "at the end of their rope" that they don't act as rationally as perhaps they once did. And the bloodthirsty comments directed at them by people whose hearts bleed for these animals is a bit ironic

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:34:39 PM

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"Take them to a shelter. There is no excuse to leave an animal to suffer and die. None."

Yah- with what? If you're losing your house, why are you assuming these people still have a car? You want to try to take an animal to a shelter on a bus? I'm sorry, but if it's choice between feeding the kids and feeding the dog- the kids win.

So yes, the correct course of action may be to get everybody to a shelter, return to what's left of the house and shoot the poor dog, but you may get arrested for that one.

Again- it sounds like neither of us have walked a mile in these peoples shoes, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being. But I agree with Greedy Top- if you've got time to trash the house, odds are you've got time to deal with your dog in a reasonable manner. However, I'll bet most houses being abandoned aren't trashed in that fashion- that story has the feel of some digging for more journalistic "interest". Its the same kind of story like the multiple generational welfare family. Yes, they existed, it just took months to find one.

Sam

I am a real estate Broker and let me tell you....you can think what ever misguided things you want to think. (Yes, I have a job but no sales, so I am looking for additional employment, so noone thinks I was fudging earlier). One of the things I do for income is broker price opinions, which is a somewhat abbreviated appraisal in cases of foreclosure so that the mortgage companies can try to resell the property. In those cases, even in $250,000 homes, there is rarely a light fixture left, or a doorknob, and in more than one case, I have seen human feces spread on the walls in a parting gesture. My home has almost been in foreclosure in the past, and I would never do that. You would be suprised at the majority that do. So that is not sensationalistic at all.

And, it doesn't take a car to call an animal shelter,even from the pay phone when you arrive at YOUR shelter, or to call animal control from there.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:43:06 PM

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And the bloodthirsty comments directed at them by people whose hearts bleed for these animals is a bit ironic................luci

The thing is luci (and I not advocating murder here) is that the humans have choices, and the animals do not. That is what makes it unforgiveable. I know it must be awful to lose your home. It does not excuse abandoning your animals.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:54:11 PM

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The thing is luci (and I not advocating murder here) is that the humans have choices, and the animals do not. That is what makes it unforgiveable. I know it must be awful to lose your home. It does not excuse abandoning your animals.

I see your point and I am just as sickened by any kind of animal abuse as anyone else here. I just don't think that becoming bloodthirsty toward humans is really a balanced response. It kind of reminds me of the whole abortion/death penalty thing. Usually ones who advocate/support one are opposed to the other. It has always amazed me that some people get so murderously angry over animal abuse but child abuse isn't quite their issue. It's all horrible. It's all wrong. But I do have to admit that I feel compassion toward human beings should rank slightly higher than towards animals. I don't want to see either hurt, abused or neglected. But if people got as angry at the injustice, abuse, unfairness and just general "screwing over" many people get at the hands of the government, banks, society in general as they do about some neglected animals, maybe some real change could be effected. Seeing family after family lose their home gets just as visceral response from me as this thread has for some others. Nothing justifies these people's ignorant, cruel choices. I just see how things could have gotten so f'd up in their world that it led to this. Not defending it, just seeing how it could occur...............luci

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 6:57:31 PM

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I can understand leaving cats et al behind. During 911 we were all visited
by the local police and given 30 minutes to collect sufficient to live on for
3 months. This was 3 days after 911 event. Most were extremely distraught
and afterthe tenants left the ASPCA went through the building and found
many poor animals abandonded. here werew removed to a shelter. Most
never reunited again - either readopted or put down after a period.

Some situations call for a different approach and presentation of values.
But in any case it would be very simple to set up an acre on unused part
of a farm with heat for compatible animals tag em, vet em, feed em and
rest em... But naturally this is not done.

My two kitties walked out with me down all the stairs - not a aqueak at being
carried. Then up to14th street to get a cab to a friends. Just a terrible
scarey situation for a cat - but we made it with supreme effort.

Perhaps this is what it takes - a supreme effort - very unlikely to occur when
there is confusion with children and jobs in fron of that - not to mention
food, schooling et al.

Regretfully Animals purpose is to absorb Human Evil

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 7:32:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

I see your point and I am just as sickened by any kind of animal abuse as anyone else here.

Nobody is doubting that, I think.

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I just don't think that becoming bloodthirsty toward humans is really a balanced response.

Balanced response? No.
Emotionally valid response? Yes.

This is one of the reasons we have courts of law and discourage vigilantism.
I readily admit that my emotional response is one of contempt and attendant agression.
But I have never advocated a society that will let that be the driving force of its justice system.

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It kind of reminds me of the whole abortion/death penalty thing.

Which we shouldn't derail this thread with.
My POV on those is quite internally consistent.
That doesn't prevent this from eliciting a response.
Which is part of the reason for my POV on those two.

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It has always amazed me that some people get so murderously angry over animal abuse but child abuse isn't quite their issue.

Depends on your definition of those two terms. My views on both of those are, again, internally consistent and in line with my values and the most recent research in the fields. But we can't discuss either here on CM, so I can't even begin to outline what my thoughts are, or how they fit with everything else. Suffice to say, though, that I've taken steps in cases where I perceive abuse, regardless of the species of the victim.

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But I do have to admit that I feel compassion toward human beings should rank slightly higher than towards animals.

That is your value judgment, which is your right. Mine is different, which is my right. I've not found cause to rank humans higher than animals, although I have found cause to rank specific individuals of whatever species higher than a species in general. As I've said in the past, my compassion and my ethics both encompass life, period. To start subdividing it has never worked for me; there's simply nothing to go by that wouldn't validate equally arbitrary grading of the value of human lives.

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But if people got as angry at the injustice, abuse, unfairness and just general "screwing over" many people get at the hands of the government, banks, society in general as they do about some neglected animals, maybe some real change could be effected.

Or maybe they would just get numbed down.
That's one proposed role for the media.

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I just see how things could have gotten so f'd up in their world that it led to this.

As do I, having been in their situation 7 times in my 27 years of life, and having lost one pet because of it (circumstances were such that it was able to run away, scared by the commotion; I never found it again, although I've still got a reward posted for it, five years later). What I said, though, was simply that I view it no differently than any other situation where people lose their heads, and that it would not be viewed any differently by me if they forgot to bring their baby along.

And in the specific cases mentioned in the OP's article, people had time to friggin' trash their apartments.
If they expended a fraction of that time and energy on the pets, those would've been safe.
Clearly, in this case, it's a matter of priorities, not temporary insanity.

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Not defending it, just seeing how it could occur.

Hell, I can see how WWII could occur. After 9 years of trying to make up my mind as to how I feel about that whole mess, I still haven't come down firmly on one side or the other. I realize life is complicated, and I can see how a lot of really horrendous shit can happen. Where one draws the line is an individual matter. And I would say that the cases mentioned in the OP's article are clearly on the wrong side of that line, in my view.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 7:37:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Zephalt

Regretfully Animals purpose is to absorb Human Evil

Ascribing such a purpose is to legitimize a corresponding mandate.

If anyone should absorb human evil, it's other humans.

Edit: And I'm not suggesting anyone should.

Health,
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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 7:45:57 PM

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Yes, those who artificially inflated the housing market by offering fucked up loans to people who could not afford them definitely deserve to have their mouth shit in (unless they would like it)

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 8:40:44 PM

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?And, it doesn't take a car to call an animal shelter,even from the pay phone when you arrive at YOUR shelter, or to call animal control from there."

Again- all of you are jumping to conclusions based on an admittedly lousy situation. We haven't heard from any of the people that abandoned their pets and we don't know what they went through. I'm fully admitting I'm guessing- but none of us have the whole story.

Yes, there are irresponsible people who get pets and then decide that the responsibility of caring for them is beyond them. These folks can be rich or poor. While I certainly think these actions are reprehensible, I must admit, I'm a bit surprised by the vitriol shown here. I wonder if threads on child abuse would generate the same response. Certainly discussions about sweat shop labor in other countries don't- and I suspect many of you happily purchase goods made in China with child labor. Is this some effort to feel morally superior to people that have had lots of misery already?

You know- if I were one of these families that lost their house- and I saw the outrage about the pets being abandoned but not about the families losing their homes, I suspect I'd feel like an unwanted, unloved, and undeserving piece of garbage. Think about the example you're setting for the people that have lost their houses, but haven't abused their pets in the process. It seems like you're more concerned about the animal's well being than the humans, and that's a bit hard to swallow. Not everyone has the same value system, and there are a lot of folks being sanctimonius here IMHO. This smacks of the multimillionaires who will spend tens of thousands on medical care to prolong the life of their pet for a year, but won't donate similar sums to help orphaned children. I'm sorry, but this values system is really pretty messed up in my book.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 9:12:04 PM

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Think about the example you're setting for the people that have lost their houses, but haven't abused their pets in the process. It seems like you're more concerned about the animal's well being than the humans, and that's a bit hard to swallow.

There are support systems in place for humans. Homeless shelters, food pantries, churches, unemployment, charities, back-to-work programs. The homeowners certainly aren't living as well as they were a year ago, but odds are pretty good that they're still alive, and there are opportunities for humans to put their lives back on track. If you lock a pet in an abandoned house with no food, it's going to fucking starve to death. This is a creature that they took responsibility for; that they were supposed to protect and provide for. You don't do that.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/29/2008 11:31:07 PM

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Just a comment after perusing lots of comments about people in foreclosure who must have also lost their cars, their telephones, and apparently, their common sense.

My house is foreclosing. It's not foreclosing because I got a bad loan. It's foreclosing because I moved out of it, and then my husband abandoned it so he wouldn't have to pay me rent, and then he attached my wages - oh yeah, and I was paying the mortgage on the place as well as my own rent and living expenses.

Let me put it this way. The last mortgage payment was made in June of last year. That was 7 months ago, folks, and the bank STILL had not completely taken the property. In other words, foreclosure takes TIME. It's not like the banks sweep in one day out of the lue and kick you out, rendering you homeless. You get a lot of notice that you're going to foreclose. In fact, my mortgage company didn't begin foreclosure procedings until November of last year - 5 months after no payments.

What I'm trying to say is, these people with pets pretty much know they're going to lose their house. There is no excuse for not making ample arrangements in the time it takes to foreclose. My house has been on the market during this time, and we've lowered and lowered and lowered the price, and the news is that foreclosure will be finalized in March if it hasn't sold yet - that's 6 weeks from now. Think someone can make arrangements for a pet in 6 months? And while most apartments don't take dogs, most take cats. These people don't care, that's what the problem is. Nothing more, nothing less.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 12:00:27 AM

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We lost our home after my father passed away. It was foreclosed upon. We only had three months after the process started. It took only a couple of months for them to decide to do it. Now, I agree, some of these people that did not make arrangements for their pets are assholes. The ones calling the animal shelters at the last minute were probably the ones that tried everything that they could before they did that. I know I lost my dog when we lost our home. My mom found her a good home, but my mom would have taken her to a shelter if she had no other option... tough times call for tough decisions.

Edited to add.... I have never adopted another dog, I never wanted to be in the position to lose one because something like losing my house. I cannot even convey how much it hurt to lose my dog on the heels of losing my father and our family home... it caused me emotional problems years later

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 12:10:11 AM

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Jeez, if only as many people were as concerned about their fellow human beings the world would be a better place. If someone can't afford a roof over their head, they surely can't afford a pet. Yes, this one incident is reprehensible but letting ones pet go wild, is only doing to the pet what society is prepared to do to the person.

Who cares if someone loses their home because they were sold a bad loan by money grubbing mortgage lenders or they hit bad times that can happen to anyone at any time for all sorts of reasons. Who cares if someone doesn't have healthcare and developes a fatal condition unnecessarily because of it.

If I was dictator for a day I wouldn't let anyone own a pet no matter how well they are treated.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 1:13:38 AM

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I do. I love underwear, I get the bikini cut kind and I get them in cute prints and patterns like scottish terriors or cats or hearts on e m.

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And...by the way....

(I don't wear underwear).

its the 21st century...nobody wears underwear...

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 1:52:02 AM

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Sure, they did know what they were getting into and at the time it was doable. Then circumstances changed, they broke a leg, got fired the USA decided to attack and invade some muslim countries and got into debt to do that, and those people could no longer meet their bills. The fact is that banks provide mortgages for their own gain. These people were destitute to begin with.

Nope. The housing market was booming ten years ago. An example, which may fit the OP because that's a very high income area: people were buying huge 5-6K square foot houses. Insanely, obnoxiously huge houses. Add in the 2 new $60K SUV's in the driveway (gotta be a bmw or lexus, don't ya know), 3 flat screen tv's, 2 vacations a year ... no savings, thinking thing would always remain the same. Then the market changed. Jobs became more scarce. The ones who never saved for a rainy day are losing their homes, being foreclosed on. They were greedy, wanting more than they could afford; the banks allowed it in many cases, being greedy also. But no one twisted the homeowner's arms and said 'buy this, or else.' Now they're screwed in some cases. Trust me. I live here - this is what's happening. The government getting into a war has nothing to do with these people being able to afford their bills. They simply got caught in their own greed.

Leaving a pet behind in this circumstance tells me just what kind of low-life degenerates these people are. Who the fuck leaves a cat or dog behind in an empty house? Suddenly that pet isn't part of the family? Fuckers. We have fish and *they* would come with us should anything happen.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 2:03:06 AM

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The neglect may have been wilful acts of revenge, attempts to make the other party feel guilty. "See what you did to us? See the consequence!" The pet as scapegoat for their own failure.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 2:22:46 AM

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What angers me about this whole case, and as already stated by someone else, I'm sure what is reported isn't the entire story. However, the trashing of the home clearly shows their attitude and leaving their pet there, uncared for, is sympomatic of their intent... anger/rage can be a very ugly emotion/mindset and while I can empathise/have sympathy for those who have done their best but still fail in their endeavours, there can be no excusing their actions for the willful abandonment of their pet which, as far as I'm concerned, was left as a clear message. What are the penalties in the US for animal abuse/neglect, are they as lenient there as in the UK?

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 3:47:37 AM

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Sure, they did know what they were getting into and at the time it was doable. Then circumstances changed, they broke a leg, got fired the USA decided to attack and invade some muslim countries and got into debt to do that, and those people could no longer meet their bills. The fact is that banks provide mortgages for their own gain. These people were destitute to begin with.

Nope. The housing market was booming ten years ago. An example, which may fit the OP because that's a very high income area: people were buying huge 5-6K square foot houses. Insanely, obnoxiously huge houses. Add in the 2 new $60K SUV's in the driveway (gotta be a bmw or lexus, don't ya know), 3 flat screen tv's, 2 vacations a year ... no savings, thinking thing would always remain the same. Then the market changed. Jobs became more scarce. The ones who never saved for a rainy day are losing their homes, being foreclosed on. They were greedy, wanting more than they could afford; the banks allowed it in many cases, being greedy also. But no one twisted the homeowner's arms and said 'buy this, or else.' Now they're screwed in some cases. Trust me. I live here - this is what's happening. The government getting into a war has nothing to do with these people being able to afford their bills. They simply got caught in their own greed.

Leaving a pet behind in this circumstance tells me just what kind of low-life degenerates these people are. Who the fuck leaves a cat or dog behind in an empty house? Suddenly that pet isn't part of the family? Fuckers. We have fish and *they* would come with us should anything happen.

on the subject of the pets, there is no excuse for abandoning them, at all. i wanted to get that out first. However, to say the reason so many people are losing their homes to foreclosure due to their own GREED is a bit one sided. I'm sure there are some greedy people out there, but you cannot group everyone under that umbrella, it's HIGHLY unfair.

i'll put this out there...and i really don't care what anyone has to say about it....our home is going to be foreclosed on, i am in the process of filing for bankruptcy. Was i greedy? Hell no...my home is a modest 1200 sqf house that cost all of $140K. Not an unreasonable mortgage at ALL. However our economy took my job when i was 20wks pregnant, no chance in hell anyone was hiring me. To make matters worse, my SO was laid off less than 2 weeks later. He found work, i'm still trying, see, the economy and the job market has, since, gotten EVEN worse.

When this house was purchased, we made damn sure we got a normal fixed rate loan. I knew back then what those ARM's were going to do and i wanted to avoid it. Savings, we saved for that "rainy" day, but after unemployment for me ran out in march of LAST YEAR, that savings were depleted to PAY the mortgage. I'm STILL trying to find work. And my SO just got laid off again. No matter how hard you try to stretch it, it's not going to work on one income and and unemployment income at that.

So, not everyone is "greedy"and doesn't "plan" for future problems. No one can predict from one day to the next what is going to happen in your job. Anyone who purchases a home is taking a risk that their jobs are still going to be there. By your reasoning, NO one should buy a home unless they can pay for it in full and outright.

Now another poster said foreclosure takes TIME. She's right. In this state it takes anywhere from 9-12 months. That is plenty of time to find a place to live that will either take pets, or, give you plenty of time to find shelter for your pets. It's called taking responsibility for the animals you chose to share your life with. I could never think of abandoning my animals, they're a part of my family.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 4:44:54 AM

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So, not everyone is "greedy"and doesn't "plan" for future problems. No one can predict from one day to the next what is going to happen in your job. Anyone who purchases a home is taking a risk that their jobs are still going to be there. By your reasoning, NO one should buy a home unless they can pay for it in full and outright.

You're absolutely right. I was writing in absolutes in the dizziness of insomnia. Of course foreclosure happens to people in your circumstances - and I am sorry that you are dealing with it. We've been through downsizing in our household, losing jobs, raking up debt, etc. I just get highly annoyed by the 'gotta have it all' consumerism that is so prevalent in our area, and that's where my 'greed' comments came from.

Either way, you're right - there's time to take care of the pets, for cryin' out loud.

Best of luck to you.

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RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers - 1/30/2008 4:55:01 AM

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So, not everyone is "greedy"and doesn't "plan" for future problems. No one can predict from one day to the next what is going to happen in your job. Anyone who purchases a home is taking a risk that their jobs are still going to be there. By your reasoning, NO one should buy a home unless they can pay for it in full and outright.

You're absolutely right. I was writing in absolutes in the dizziness of insomnia. Of course foreclosure happens to people in your circumstances - and I am sorry that you are dealing with it. We've been through downsizing in our household, losing jobs, raking up debt, etc. I just get highly annoyed by the 'gotta have it all' consumerism that is so prevalent in our area, and that's where my 'greed' comments came from.

Either way, you're right - there's time to take care of the pets, for cryin' out loud.

Best of luck to you.

It happens...no offense was taken at all. i've just seen more heartache over the past year over home loss...quite a few family members/friends have gone through it...i never thought, in a million years, it would happen to ME.

We thought we were being safe, no big screen tv, no SUV in the drive, no over the top expenses...it just sucks all around.

But, yeah....we KNOW what's coming...we have time right now...we can look for options but we know, too, that if housing can't be secured that allows pets, we'll be taking care of our animals. They're a part of our family.

As for the this particular homeowner trashing their house...is it just me? i mean, i've already got it planned that at least a month before foreclosure settles, we'll be out and i'll be here cleaning every corner of the house. i don't want anyone to think i lived like a slob...i couldn't bear having someone walk through what WAS my home and think "wow, what pigs!"...*sigh* i must be from a different generation lol!

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