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Leatherist -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 11:33:31 AM)

You two seem rather rare, but I understand the spiritual dynamic of sublimation.

By rerouting the sexual desire into the expression of  intimacy based not on the animal-but the dynamic..........one raises the focus and consiousness to more cerebral levels, while still fostering and encouraging the emotional ones.

Very nice, in it's simple purity of form.  But something I very much fear those who worship the "primal" will not understand.

Which does make me feel a bit sad-for the primal in us has a much wider scope than simply the flesh. Much is lost in narrowness of view.



subtee -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 11:44:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Milivoje

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ORIGINAL: subtee
I'm wondering why her orgasm and her "full time devotion to [your] pleasure" are mutually exclusive?

By all means they are not. This is just a phase in our relationship.

My slave girl has explained this matter earlier in this post


Yes, I read all the posts in this thread, including your girl's. She said:

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I felt like he was pleasing me and not the other way around.

 
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The amazing thing is I not only felt no need to have an orgasm, but I finally felt free to  completely focus on his pleasure. And he also felt the change. My skin was different… softer, smoother as he later told me. The movements of my body were different. Even the smallest traces of selfishness have disappeared. Seeing me so eager to please him, so completely immersed in his pleasure only turned him on even more and made him enjoy sex on a level entirely different from anything he has ever experienced before. Watching the expression on his face and the thrusts of his body as he was cumming gave me more pleasure than any orgasm ever did. I was ecstatic and fulfilled at the same time.  I can just say that it was the most powerful experience for both of us. 
 
 
And still I'm wondering why she feels selfish if you make her orgasm, and why she wouldn't be able to (or be trained to) include her own orgasms in "completely focus[ing] on [your] pleasure. I just don't see that her orgasm necessarily connotes that she is not completely immersed in your pleasure, unless it displeases you for her to have an orgasm.  



Leatherist -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 11:46:51 AM)

Tee, sacrifice cleanses. One needs to move beyond hedonism to understand why.




AquaticSub -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 11:52:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Tee, sacrifice cleanses. One needs to move beyond hedonism to understand why.




Some do, some don't. The idea of that giving anything and everything up makes for a better sub leads to the matyr complex. As already stated, orgasms have health benfits so it may not be wise for a particular submissive to sacrifice her orgasms. For me in particular, it would be very unwise.

Now this particular sarcfice works for them - which is great, though I don't think it would kill him to call her gyno and make sure on the issue of her vaginal health, or have her make her yearly exam now and ask there.



subtee -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 11:56:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Tee, sacrifice cleanses. One needs to move beyond hedonism to understand why.




Okay, sure, I'll wear a hedonist badge if you want me to. My questions, however, have to do with the "problem" as it was explained, and the chosen course of "correction."

Perhaps if she felt guilty because of her own pleasure, it might behoove to teach that her pleasure belongs to him, not just that her lack of pleasure is the method by which she can achieve complete focus or immersion on or into his pleasure.

Just sayin. 



RCdc -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 12:12:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Milivoje

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

No prop, the point about the orgasm is not issue.  The op says that because orgasm is not mentioned, he has assumed it is ok.  He has not questioned it further, he has not found out the reality, he has not studied it intently or even questioned a gynacologist.  He has simply 'assumed'.
 
the.dark.
 
I challenge you to post here the supposed "reality".


Challange away.  I don't know what the 'reality' is without talking to a health professional, however unlike yourself, I wouldn't assume something important, without checking it out offically first.  I believe orgasm control rocks - even for months at a time if it works for you.  But your lack of foresight sucks.
And I challenged you to back up your statement on why you believe something or rather 'assume' something is ok, when you haven't sort professional counsel over.  You still have not responded.
 
the.dark.



softness -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 12:21:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Tee, sacrifice cleanses. One needs to move beyond hedonism to understand why.




I think .. sorry .. I know, that I can understand the value, purity and reasoning of sacrifice while still being granted orgasms. My cunt does not blind me to the reality of submission, if it did ... I would be a pretty terrible slave.

If it pleases him to deny her release through orgasm then great, thats his kink.

If he believes that without being denied orgasm she cannot focus wholly on his pleasure ... I believe he is underestimating the power of devotion and worse .. underestimating the girl who is devoted to him.



Milivoje -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 1:11:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
Challange away.  I don't know what the 'reality' is without talking to a health professional, however unlike yourself, I wouldn't assume something important, without checking it out offically first.  I believe orgasm control rocks - even for months at a time if it works for you.  But your lack of foresight sucks.
And I challenged you to back up your statement on why you believe something or rather 'assume' something is ok, when you haven't sort professional counsel over.  You still have not responded.

the.dark.

I find it sad that you judge me by a mere couple of sentences followed by silly smilies. I think it is, to say the least, inappropriate to judge a person so quickly.

However, I will try to explain my former statement so that you can understand it clearly: A person posted a couple of links concerning "vaginal atrophy", which is a serious problem for women who underwent severe trauma of some kind or another. I found the fact, that those sites did not mention orgasms what so ever, quite amusing and had to comment on that in a silly manner.

Kind regards,
Milivoje



RCdc -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 1:36:22 PM)

Judgements are an important part of life.  It is how the human race survive.  There is nothing silly or inappropriate about any judgement.  They may be irrational or wrong because of poor information.  But never silly or inappropriate.
 
Your humour was lost, obviously - that is why I challenged you to clear up any mis information.  It has been, so is all cool.
 
the.dark.



RedMagic1 -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 4:15:51 PM)

All the Uberdoms I know are afraid of going to the doctor also.



sunshinemiss -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 4:37:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Milivoje

Well nowhere in vaginal atrophy has anyone mentioned the word orgasm. [8|]

Therefore one must assume that frequent sexual activiry w/o orgasms is perfectly safe. [sm=crop.gif]




Well, you know what happens when you assume... You show me what an ass... well, you get the picture.

Anyway, um... to make the statement that "one must assume..." about a MEDICAL QUESTION/ISSUE is foolish at best and dangerous at worst.  Talk about arrogance!  wow.  If I had a Dom who said that, he and I would have a little come to Jesus - Dr. Jesus... I'm just saying.



subtee -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 7:08:52 PM)

Shall I not expect an answer then?



Leatherist -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 7:16:08 PM)

Lord no orgasms for a few months and you people think the thing is going to rot out or something? I wonder how the nuns mananged.



subtee -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 7:31:25 PM)

Naw, that ain't it at all...

I'm just saying there's a place at which he can control and give her orgasms. Not one or the other.

Not right?



AquaticSub -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/7/2008 9:08:25 PM)

Far better to mention a potential health problem and have it checked into and find that there is no concern than to deal with the aftermath of a problem that could have been prevented.



eyesopened -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/8/2008 2:09:48 AM)

The original question was how many Masters and slaves enjoy long-term orgasm denial and the answers seem to be that most do not enjoy this.  i'm sure there are plenty others who do. 

Some people are happy to trade one form of personal pleasure for another.  Trading orgasms for martyrdom sounds reasonable because it trades one personal pleasure for another with the plus of being admired for it.  Maybe there's a circumstance when a woman isn't admired for her orgams but she is admired for her sacrafice, so maybe she gains more personal pleasure than the orgasms alone were providing.   To each their own, but i disagree that being a martyr somehow elevates one into being better than another.



Milivoje -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/8/2008 9:20:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
All the Uberdoms I know are afraid of going to the doctor also.

I agree.
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
Well, you know what happens when you assume... You show me what an ass... well, you get the picture.
Anyway, um... to make the statement that "one must assume..." about a MEDICAL QUESTION/ISSUE is foolish at best and dangerous at worst.  Talk about arrogance!  wow.  If I had a Dom who said that, he and I would have a little come to Jesus - Dr. Jesus... I'm just saying.

Anyway, read the rest of the post please. And please calm your self down, it is not healthy for your blood pressure.
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ORIGINAL: subtee
Naw, that ain't it at all...
I'm just saying there's a place at which he can control and give her orgasms. Not one or the other.
Not right?

The place is usually the bedroom.
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
The original question was how many Masters and slaves enjoy long-term orgasm denial and the answers seem to be that most do not enjoy this.  i'm sure there are plenty others who do. 
Some people are happy to trade one form of personal pleasure for another.  Trading orgasms for martyrdom sounds reasonable because it trades one personal pleasure for another with the plus of being admired for it.  Maybe there's a circumstance when a woman isn't admired for her orgams but she is admired for her sacrafice, so maybe she gains more personal pleasure than the orgasms alone were providing.   To each their own, but i disagree that being a martyr somehow elevates one into being better than another.

Martyrdom? Trading? Pleasure? Circumstance? Women? Admired? Sacrifice? Personal? Providing?
All powerful words... are you a republican?



Jeffff -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/8/2008 9:39:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Lord no orgasms for a few months and you people think the thing is going to rot out or something? I wonder how the nuns mananged.


Masturbation?

Art relects life



AquaticSub -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/8/2008 10:45:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Milivoje

Martyrdom? Trading? Pleasure? Circumstance? Women? Admired? Sacrifice? Personal? Providing?
All powerful words... are you a republican?


If you'll look up you'll find that her not having orgasms has already been referred to as a sacrifice by another poster. Either way the idea of giving orgasms up to focus on the owner probably does remind some of the sub/slave martyr ideal that some have - it's not submitting if it's fun, you enjoy it, or have anything nice.



Milivoje -> RE: Slavegirl’s orgasmic abstinence by free will. (2/8/2008 11:28:32 AM)

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