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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:29:57 AM   
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Please do not respond by deferring me to old TV shows that i haven't watched in ages.

i want to know what common life was like for those who lived in the 50's generation. How was it different in comparison to the 70's, 80's, 90's, and today? Are we talking about the dutiful wife and mother who stays home to cook, clean, and take care of the children while the father goes out and works to support the family? Or does it also include non-equal rights between men and women; women not allowed to work or vote; women and children should be seen and not heard; women should stay out of men's business? What responsibilities were designated between men and women back then; just exactly how tight of a reign did men have on their wives during that era? What were the consequences of a woman opposing or rebelling against her husband, society, or government? What types of work were acceptable for a woman to help provide financial support to her family?


Women were granted the right to vote  by the the amendment, ratified in 1920.

as for the rest, Ron  pretty much nailed it. My mother didn't work until the very late 70"s, none of my Friends mothers did either. My father ruled the roost and thats just how it was. My mother could and did voice opinions, but in the end, his word was law. She had dinner on the table every night at 5:00 exactly. God help the kid who wasn't also at the table. He earned the $$ , she spent it, with an accounting on how it was spent. ALL decisions were final. There was no room for appeal

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:31:49 AM   
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The female does not work outside the home.  The male makes a nice living, enough to solely support a family of at least four.  The female makes the perfect home (usually in some perfect suburb) and raises the children.  They own only one car.  The female wears dark red lipstick and high heels all day long (except for Mary Tyler Moore).  The male and the female each sleep in his/her own twin bed which are separated by at least three feet.  They never have sex, but somehow children are born to them.  They never French kiss.  They never curse.  They never tie each other up.  They never have a problem that can’t be solved in 30 minutes or less.

My situation is probably pretty close because I don’t work outside the home right now (I might get a part time job ‘cause I’m going *nuts*).  I do care for the house and wait on my husband/Dom pretty much hand and foot.  My house is usually messy, and right now I have no bathroom window (just Styrofoam stapled where a window should be).  I don’t wear dark red lipstick but do put on makeup at least three times a week.  I never wear high heels anymore.  We sleep in the same bed and both curse a bit, sometimes simultaneously.  I do get tied up on occasion, and we may fashion a 50's-style dungeon in the basement next summer.  We have lots and lots of problems that drive us to the brink of insanity and probably always will.  


WONDERFUL ANSWER!!! This is what i am looking for ... a descriptive comparison of the 50's vs. modern lifestyles! The fact that they never slept in the same bed is a detail i would have never thought of on my own. i like how you described similarities, differences, modifications, and so forth.


They didn't sleep in the same bed..on TV!!!  sheesh..is was because of the sensors..did everyone's grandpaernts have twin beds? or one ful size bed?
and women have been voting for almost a hundred years.
Women did have a "place". Reading old articles from magazines from the 50's will give you an idea of what a womans life was like then. I used to have some links to some of them, but can't find them now.
I wouldn't mind the "homemaker" side of the 50's thing. I would have really liked it when my um's were young.  These days women are expected to have a career to be "fulfilled". Some women consider it old fashioned to live off a man, as I've heard it termed.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:37:54 AM   
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Trouble is you are asking a question as large and varied in individual answer as every family that lived in the '50s.


That is exactly my intention; i want to hear a variety of individual experiences from different people. Many thanks for such a detailed description.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:39:57 AM   
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here is a passel of opinions and so on, then:

http://www.collarchat.com/searchpro.asp?phrase=50%27s+household&author=&forumid=ALL&topicreply=both&message=body&timeframe=%3E&timefilter=0&language=single&top=300&criteria=AND&minRank=0&sortMethod=r&submitbutton=+OK+

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:40:29 AM   
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In real life everyone slept in one bed...on TV, it was thought to be bad example for a good Christian nation. You gotta remember in the 50's..only sluts slept around..:)

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:45:34 AM   
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Many thanks for the link reference, RedMagic1.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:48:20 AM   
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Many thanks for the new terminology and site references, camille65.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:51:12 AM   
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That, of course; isn't at all true.  On TV because of purient censorship...separate beds and if one came over to the others bed one foot must be on the floor.

You are catching a little scarcasm there.

My folks fucked like minks, and when the bedroom door was closed, you better not even be in that end of the house.

Ron 


My parents had twin beds...

Didn't you watch Cronkite? Come on...

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:52:14 AM   
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Please do not respond by deferring me to old TV shows that i haven't watched in ages.


i don't mean to sound ungrateful; these are good suggestions, but i prefer to hear about real experiences.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:55:08 AM   
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Last week my 16yr old son came home from school and told me he had learned what consisted of a 1950's household and explained to me "Now, THAT is how I want my household ran when I get married!"

It kinda shocked me to the core for a moment hearing that! 

Then I asked him to explain what had appealed to him of that type of household.  His eyes twinkled as he said, "My woman will always defer to my wishes.  She will dress to my tastes at all times.  My household will be spotless and everything put in it's proper place.  My children will be respectful at all times.  I will be King in my house at all times!"

I asked him if he would have preferred growing up with that type of household instead of ours.  He told me "No way!  I only have to convince YOU that it should go my way, instead of negotiating with both a Mom and a Dad at the same time!"

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 8:57:20 AM   
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That, of course; isn't at all true.  On TV because of purient censorship...separate beds and if one came over to the others bed one foot must be on the floor.


Actually, there ARE some couples who did (and still do) sleep in separate beds - and even separate rooms, at times. i remember this from my own childhood (and that was during the 70's) and my partner's parents STILL sleep in separate beds - i've never asked why, so i don't know if it's because of medical reasons, disability, or the way they were raised.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 9:03:53 AM   
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My mother did not work outside of the home until the mid 60's.  She couldn't get a credit card in her own name without my father's signature on the contract before the mid 1970's.  My dad worked to support her, we four children before that point. He never showed her his paycheck, but did give her a weekly allowance of 100-200 bucks to pay bills, buy food and clothing, and anything left over was hers to keep.  She did not drive but she did vote.

Her job was to keep a nice house (ours was never perfection).  Raise quiet, respectful children, she finally got that down by being a control freak to the youngest one (me).  My siblings were wild, loud, and self serving much like all normal kids.  My eldest sister got pregnant at 12 because she wanted to escape.  The next girl used to slip out of the house every night to date the teams, then the navy.  My brother was in jeuvy on and off since he was 13 and punched out the principal (sometime in the 1960's) 

My mom rarely smiled.  There was not much reason for smiling.  My dad worked hard and felt he needed to compensate by drinking.  He drank every night often came home having driven drunk and would fall on the pavement when he got out of the car.   His hard drinking either perserved him (he never got sick a day as I can remember), or it contributed to his death.  He died of a stroke in 1986.  The deep furrows in my mothers temples and cheeks stayed long past my fathers death.  When he died she got a chance to look over the finances.  He may have given her between 100-200 a week for house payments and such.. but his take home pay was 800 bucks a week.  Unless he had another family I would say a lot of any left over money was either used for drink, or to give to his drinking pals.

My grandmother who was on her own during those years and had her own restaurant bar, was a happy smiley woman, though very much a control freak.  When my mom started working in the mid 60's she seemed happier.  By that time my oldest sister was married with 4 kids, and dating a younger man.  My second sister was still slipping out of the house but she got better at hiding it.  And my brother started hanging out with the neighbors and semi-adopted them as the family he cared about.

In the meantime.. TV went on, portraying the idealised families, the suburban perfection, the "normal" american family where the man was always in control.

50's households.. yeah, I miss those days.
Kyst

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Please do not respond by deferring me to old TV shows that i haven't watched in ages.

i want to know what common life was like for those who lived in the 50's generation. How was it different in comparison to the 70's, 80's, 90's, and today? Are we talking about the dutiful wife and mother who stays home to cook, clean, and take care of the children while the father goes out and works to support the family? Or does it also include non-equal rights between men and women; women not allowed to work or vote; women and children should be seen and not heard; women should stay out of men's business? What responsibilities were designated between men and women back then; just exactly how tight of a reign did men have on their wives during that era? What were the consequences of a woman opposing or rebelling against her husband, society, or government? What types of work were acceptable for a woman to help provide financial support to her family?


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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 9:03:54 AM   
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Women were granted the right to vote  by the the amendment, ratified in 1920.


Many thanks for clarifying; history never was a good subject for me  

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 9:20:25 AM   
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These days women are expected to have a career to be "fulfilled". Some women consider it old fashioned to live off a man, as I've heard it termed.


It's a good thing my partner is just as old fashioned in that sense as i am. He prefers that i stay home and maintain the homemaker role, even though he is currently on indefinite medical leave and has (reluctantly) accepted state assistance. i also prefer being a homemaker, but i worry about barely making ends meet. We have discussed me getting a part-time job to help with finances and the decision has been left up to me; but it's been made very clear that i should stay home until absolutely necessary. Full-time work is not even a subject of consideration; that is both of our opinions.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 9:29:20 AM   
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His eyes twinkled as he said, "My woman will always defer to my wishes.  She will dress to my tastes at all times.  My household will be spotless and everything put in it's proper place.  My children will be respectful at all times.  I will be King in my house at all times!"


What do you perceive to be his chances of success? Is this life possible in modern society, or is it only wishful thinking? Can such be achieved (women's deference to man's wishes, respectful children, king of the house) without what much of modern society considers abuse?

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 10:07:23 AM   
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Please do not respond by deferring me to old TV shows that i haven't watched in ages.

i want to know what common life was like for those who lived in the 50's generation. How was it different in comparison to the 70's, 80's, 90's, and today? Are we talking about the dutiful wife and mother who stays home to cook, clean, and take care of the children while the father goes out and works to support the family? Or does it also include non-equal rights between men and women; women not allowed to work or vote; women and children should be seen and not heard; women should stay out of men's business? What responsibilities were designated between men and women back then; just exactly how tight of a reign did men have on their wives during that era? What were the consequences of a woman opposing or rebelling against her husband, society, or government? What types of work were acceptable for a woman to help provide financial support to her family?


If you want to know what it was really like, go read some books about the time period. Hint: It wasn't what people refer to here as "50s lifestyle"

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 10:11:36 AM   
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weekly allowance of 100-200 bucks to pay bills, buy food and clothing... keep a nice house... raise quiet, respectful children... siblings were wild, loud, and self serving much like all normal kids.... eldest sister pregnant at 12... next girl used to slip out of the house every night... brother was in juvy on and off since 13... mom rarely smiled.  dad worked hard and compensated by drinking. In the meantime TV went on, portraying the idealised families, the suburban perfection, the "normal" american family where man was always in control.


The flipside of the coin showing that life is never perfect; i've quoted a few of these things that caught my attention. Problems of modern society such as alcoholism and drug addiction, child and spousal abuse, misbehaved and rebellious teenagers and so forth have existed throughout history. People didn't always find good solutions for dealing with personal issues, and there are many solutions which i don't condone. These issues were dealt with in the privacy of one's own home, and i prefer that as opposed to modern society which openly displays private lives to the public on the front headlines.

i think the biggest difference between back then and today is the subject of discipline and punishment (but that is an entirely new topic within itself, and i'm not going to get into detail with that right now). Suffice it to say that while women and children were not as well protected from physical abuse in those days, there was a higher level of teaching one to accept responsibility and compensate for his or her own actions (i do not believe jail is the answer to all mistakes).

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 10:12:39 AM   
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It's a good thing my partner is just as old fashioned in that sense as i am. He prefers that i stay home and maintain the homemaker role, even though he is currently on indefinite medical leave and has (reluctantly) accepted state assistance. i also prefer being a homemaker, but i worry about barely making ends meet. We have discussed me getting a part-time job to help with finances and the decision has been left up to me; but it's been made very clear that i should stay home until absolutely necessary. Full-time work is not even a subject of consideration; that is both of our opinions.


Many women in the 50's went to work if it was a necessity.  Sure seems like a necessity in your case.

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 10:13:48 AM   
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If you want to know what it was really like, go read some books about the time period. Hint: It wasn't what people refer to here as "50s lifestyle"


Please enlighten me with an explanation of what people DO mean here when referring to "50's lifestyle"

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RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships - 2/5/2008 10:22:08 AM   
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Many women in the 50's went to work if it was a necessity.  Sure seems like a necessity in your case.


i agree - but my partner's opinion is that it's not a necessity until He is declared permanently disabled and unable to work. i respect His decision because we are making ends meet at this point. i've made it clear that if and when ends no longer meet, i will seek a part-time job to pay the bills; He has (reluctantly) agreed that it is my choice.

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