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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 1:47:22 PM   
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....its known as crowd psychology,  everyone assumes someone else will help- that no one does.   it happens- just as a crowd can tuen from jubulant to mean quickly.

when the lady next door is being beat up by her boyfriend, do i intervene?  no. the next day they are llovey dovey and my life would become difficult if i put my nose in where it isnt welcomed.,

on the bus- you dont know who knew who,

I recall a drownding in the Chicago river- while business men looked on...when asked why none of them jumped in, the reply:  "i am dressed for a meeting"

as early as 1954?? a lady was raped in busy NYC- people looked out teh window and numerous witnesses but no one helped.

you see in the erly days we all were a known person in our village.  today we are a number, just another spacetaker,consumer.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 1:50:06 PM   
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its back, nevrmind

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 2:10:22 PM   
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Y'all need guns.  I don't know why that simple fact is such a controversy.  If I see someone brutally attacking a innocent person or attempting to attack me, than I will put a bullet in them.  If I didn't have my gun with me;  I would pick up a rock, a stick, a pipe, etc.  I don't understand people who are afraid to do something when they see something like that happening.  I can't imagine it.  I have heard stories like this here in the States, and it just boggles my mind.  I grew up in a smaller town, and everyone on the street gets involved if they see this kind of shit happening.  Guys like that would be beaten to death, and the police would probably lie on the report if there was any possibility that a samaritan would be charged with a criminal offense.   

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 2:13:10 PM   
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Y'all need guns.   


...would that include the original attackers? 'Cos if so, then there isn't going to be much of a temporal window in which to intervene..........

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:09:59 PM   
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The video clip I referred to (I could have chosen to post the link, but decided it would serve no purpose and I really wouldn't want another person witnessing it) was of a married guy repeatedly stabbing his wife in the neck as she lay prone on what appears to be the tarmac on a carpark in America, Slaveboy. Someone was clearly standing holding the video camera, and it shows a youth aiming a poorly executed kick which lacked any kind of force behind it and when it was clear it would not deter him, the youth just gave up and left him to it. No two ways about it, I'd have gone straight for his throat and ended him right there and then. He was so entranced in his frenzied attack on that woman that he wouldn't even have seen it coming, he was oblivious to what was going on around him.

I'm not one of those 'gung ho' kind of persons, I abhor violence and do my best to avoid it whenever possible, but there's no way that I could walk away without doing something if I happened upon something like that.
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Y'all need guns.  I don't know why that simple fact is such a controversy.  If I see someone brutally attacking a innocent person or attempting to attack me, than I will put a bullet in them.  If I didn't have my gun with me;  I would pick up a rock, a stick, a pipe, etc.  I don't understand people who are afraid to do something when they see something like that happening.  I can't imagine it.  I have heard stories like this here in the States, and it just boggles my mind.  I grew up in a smaller town, and everyone on the street gets involved if they see this kind of shit happening.  Guys like that would be beaten to death, and the police would probably lie on the report if there was any possibility that a samaritan would be charged with a criminal offense.   

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:12:37 PM   
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You make a great point, hunk. Towns/Cities are much larger, due to a number of factors people are less inclined to know their neighbours and people pretty much keep to themselves, just dots in a sea of billions.

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you see in the erly days we all were a known person in our village.  today we are a number, just another spacetaker,consumer.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:19:45 PM   
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re the OP;

so what do ya think?  A good case for fireams carry?




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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:22:07 PM   
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What you refer to is known as 'Squash' and quite an underground fetish, where small animals (kittens, puppies, etc..) are literally squashed underneath the heels of a scantily clad female and for the amusement of the spectators that pay high amounts of money to watch such atrocities.

I saw an article in the Times which was supported by a series of pictures taken by a journalist covering guerilla warfare in Nicaragua. The pictures showed a person no older than 11 or 12 stalking a peer and once out-manoeuvring him, slowly inserting his hunting knife through his ribcage and twisting it upwards. The pictures focused on the features of the boy being stabbed, surprise, terror, disbelief, acceptance that he was dying and complete emptiness. I couldn't sleep for days after viewing those b/c all I could see was that boy's face when I closed my eyes. I fully understand why there was little to no expression on t he face of the killer despite him being an 'um', he knew no different and it was expected of him... he was earning his right to be recognised by more prominent guerilla members. But in a society, where we are not forced to live that way, I refuse to accept someone's 'rather them than me' attitude.
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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:28:12 PM   
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Of course I'm not affected by insignificant things of life, Domiguy, but if I'm personally faced with such a horror the last thing I'm going to do is sleep soundly knowing that I did nothing to try and prevent it.

I generally have a great view of life/people, but something like that is beyond comprehension for me.

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Because it is an isolated incident. We don't let our kids play outside because of all of the supposed pedophiles. We don't trust anyone.

I sleep like a baby because I know that things are not as bad as perceived and in many cases they are actually better then they were previously.

It is simply how do you view life? And do you allow yourself to be swept away and affected by all of the nonsense that comes your way?

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:32:26 PM   
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Seeks, some years ago I watched a documentary regarding the Japanese culture, and it's erosion with people becoming westernised, youths were growing up with a now lack of respect for their elders, which is something Japan was revered for. Studies showed that there was a direct link to the youths growing up with video games and the desensitisation to violence/lack of respect generally.

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I think Hollwood's glamourisation of violence doen't help and I would have no problems censoring such products.. In fact I would ban the whole film.
That foul so called entertainment that opens with I think Robert de Niro, the ponce, kicking somebody, to death?, is unacceptable disgusting and should have been kept within the confines of the US.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:37:49 PM   
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No kidding, Popeye. There's a very famous case here in the UK wherein a farmer hears someone breaking into part of his property so he confronts them - armed with his shotgun (it's legal for farmers to own shotguns provided they are licensed to do so). I'm not sure of the full story, but during the confrontation he does end up shooting one or two of the robbers, one of which was granted the right to SUE the farmer for shooting him. He should have stuck the barrel up his cracker and pulled the trigger, he'd have been less likely to complain after that... There's a world of rights for perpetrators of crimes, but very little for the victims and no real legal consequence other than a loss of liberty - which, as I said earlier in a post, is welcomed by many b/c it's a good alternative to what they already know.

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Morrigan, you guys in England have some FUCKED-UP "laws" if someone who's comming to your rescue could be charged with a crime for killing those two scumbags who attacked you!
Of course I'd intervene if I saw someone stabbing a woman or anyone else with a knife! I'd pull out my gun and tell them *ONE TIME* to stop (just to cover myself) and open fire on them anyway!
There's not a jury in the country that would convict me.
That is if I stuck around after dusting the guy. (lol)
I can't believe that a whole bus load of people wouldn't help you!
I'm 57 years old and I *still* like getting into fights!
Like I've said on here before, you guys in England need to take back *control* over your govt!

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:41:46 PM   
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Yes, as well as the fact that given overpopulation, we live in much larger towns/cities, much bigger communities, etc.. and people are prone to moving frequently, so less likely to get to know people in their community.

I'm right with you on the guilt aspect.
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Darcy has hit the nail square on the head. It used to be if you helped someone you were a hero, now you are just as gulity of a crime as the attacker as far as the law is concerned.  Its ridiculous and one of the big reasons that people just walk away, others are afraid for their own safety. Personally I would have to do something, I couldnt stand there and watch something like that happen or walk away, the guilt would eat me alive.

~Lashra

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 3:58:07 PM   
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There's a very famous case here in the UK wherein a farmer hears someone breaking into part of his property so he confronts them - armed with his shotgun (it's legal for farmers to own shotguns provided they are licensed to do so). I'm not sure of the full story, but during the confrontation he does end up shooting one or two of the robbers, one of whom was granted the right to SUE the farmer for shooting him.

This story is even worse. The farmer had repeatedly been burgled, had complained to the police, to no effect and eventually served about 3 years in jail for the shooting.
I wish I had been on the jury !!!!!!

All together now...its the PC brigade.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 4:06:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
There's a very famous case here in the UK wherein a farmer hears someone breaking into part of his property so he confronts them - armed with his shotgun (it's legal for farmers to own shotguns provided they are licensed to do so). I'm not sure of the full story, but during the confrontation he does end up shooting one or two of the robbers, one of whom was granted the right to SUE the farmer for shooting him.

This story is even worse. The farmer had repeatedly been burgled, had complained to the police, to no effect and eventually served about 3 years in jail for the shooting.
I wish I had been on the jury !!!!!!

All together now...its the PC brigade.



Burgler; "Now I'm going to sue you!"
Farmer; "Boom, Boom, Boom!"

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 4:08:57 PM   
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I blame all those penis pumping Judges who may have the job in hand, so to speak, but not the one they are entrusted to do.  Gives a whole new meaning to, "I've got my eye on the ball and my fingers on the pulse" !

Judicial caning, that's the answer


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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 4:11:28 PM   
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"He said he was going to kill me, I believed him and acted in self-defence, your honour."

If you're going to shoot someone, do a decent job of it lol

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 4:17:58 PM   
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Quick reply: 

Y'all need guns.  I don't know why that simple fact is such a controversy.  If I see someone brutally attacking a innocent person or attempting to attack me, than I will put a bullet in them.  If I didn't have my gun with me;  I would pick up a rock, a stick, a pipe, etc.  I don't understand people who are afraid to do something when they see something like that happening.  I can't imagine it.  I have heard stories like this here in the States, and it just boggles my mind.  I grew up in a smaller town, and everyone on the street gets involved if they see this kind of shit happening.  Guys like that would be beaten to death, and the police would probably lie on the report if there was any possibility that a samaritan would be charged with a criminal offense.   


Slaveboy, I either have a gun on me or in my car so I wouldn't need any rocks.
And I grew up in a city North of Boston, Mass and If my crew ever saw something like that going on we'd have absolutely pummeled the S.O.B.
"Go Head, call the fuckin' cops!"

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 4:36:18 PM   
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I blame all those penis pumping Judges.....


Well I've heard of pistol packing mommas but not penis pumping judges.
Sounds like something that could only happen in Brighton.
Give "us" the story lol

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 5:12:29 PM   
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Seeks, you guys in England need to take a lesson from your Sweedish cousins.
When those third worlders rape their women up there they burn their houses down. lol

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 8:16:29 PM   
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The video clip I referred to (I could have chosen to post the link, but decided it would serve no purpose and I really wouldn't want another person witnessing it) was of a married guy repeatedly stabbing his wife in the neck as she lay prone on what appears to be the tarmac on a carpark in America, Slaveboy. Someone was clearly standing holding the video camera, and it shows a youth aiming a poorly executed kick which lacked any kind of force behind it and when it was clear it would not deter him, the youth just gave up and left him to it. No two ways about it, I'd have gone straight for his throat and ended him right there and then. He was so entranced in his frenzied attack on that woman that he wouldn't even have seen it coming, he was oblivious to what was going on around him.

I'm not one of those 'gung ho' kind of persons, I abhor violence and do my best to avoid it whenever possible, but there's no way that I could walk away without doing something if I happened upon something like that.


MissMorrigan, that's does happen here.  I can't explain why it does.  I know many people blame the media.  But I have a simpler explanation; it's fathers that are pussies.  Pardon my language, but it's the truth.  I have a pretty adversarial relationship with my father, and I am 32 years old.  But I do thank him for my upbringing.  I was taught to respect women and to protect weaker people (no I don't mean women are weak.)  A lot of people don't grow up with any understanding of what a hard life is.  They think their girlfriend breaking up with them is the worst thing there is.  They think having to work hard is for suckers.  I grew up in that kind of generation, but I didn't get that same kind of upbringing.  My parents weren't baby boomers.  They didn't believe in all that Dr. Spock psychology nonsense.  When I left high school, I had four choices.  I either went to college, worked, joined the military, or lived on the streets.  I went to college, and I fucked around for 3 years.  I ultimately flunked out.  My father was kind of enough to get me a job as a laborer.  After a year of that, I knew I made a mistake.  A hard day's work will cure you of wanting to cause mayhem.  It knocks that chip right off of your shoulder.  You don't think you are a tough guy, when you are surrounded all day by REAL tough guys.  I don't think a lot of younger people get that life lesson anymore.  They sail through life without a care in the world, and it's their parents that are to blame.   

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