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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 8:25:07 PM

slaveboyforyou

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Slaveboy, I either have a gun on me or in my car so I wouldn't need any rocks.
And I grew up in a city North of Boston, Mass and If my crew ever saw something like that going on we'd have absolutely pummeled the S.O.B.
"Go Head, call the fuckin' cops!"

I usually have one in my truck too, Popeye. I don't carry one on me all the time. It's just too much of a pain in the ass to tote one around concealed all the time for me. I can't carry one at work. The company I work for subcontracts for the feds, and there are strict security measures when you walk in the facility. When I go out on weekends, I either go out on dates, shoot pool, or go bowling. Like I said, I have one in the truck, but I don't tote one around. I am cool with people that do, but it's just too much of a hassle for me. If something happens, it's going to happen. I can stand my ground with the best of them, and I can sure as hell escape long enough to make it to safety or my truck for backup (lol).

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/6/2008 9:21:10 PM

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What you refer to is known as 'Squash' and quite an underground fetish, where small animals (kittens, puppies, etc..) are literally squashed underneath the heels of a scantily clad female and for the amusement of the spectators that pay high amounts of money to watch such atrocities.

Sounds like I have some people I can plainly hate.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 4:37:56 AM

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Hah! I know I worked as a pro-domme for a couple of years but I never came across a penis pumping judge (more's the pity lol). In the last year TWO judges were found to have been using a cock pump on themselves while in the middle of presiding over cases! Talk about keeping their mind on the job! lol

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Well I've heard of pistol packing mommas but not penis pumping judges.
Sounds like something that could only happen in Brighton.
Give "us" the story lol

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 4:42:08 AM

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Ya know, RealOne. I was always proud of this country and the fact we didn't carry firearms... The problem is that half of 'up north' (anyone north of Watford is considered an Alien) are 'tooled up'.. it's easy for them to acquire firearms and we're seeing more and more gun-related incidents in the UK. I still don't like to think that carrying a firearm will be an option for us, but I do think we are headed in that direction.

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re the OP;

so what do ya think? A good case for fireams carry?

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 4:53:22 AM

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That's a great insight, Slaveboy, and so true. From the age of thirteen I had a weekend job. If I didn't work, I didn't have any money. My parents taught me the value of money, what it was to save for something I wanted/needed, and if I squandered it there wasn't anymore until I worked to earn it. I instilled the same lessons in my own son (who is 24 this year) and despite his moaning and whining, he said to me two years ago, "Mum, I know I was a whiny kid growing up and trying to make you feel bad, I'm grateful you taught me to be independent and responsible." I think people, certainly in the last couple of decades, have been taught to be so focused on themselves, that people are having histionics at the onset of any kind of effort that requires graft.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
MissMorrigan, that's does happen here. I can't explain why it does. I know many people blame the media. But I have a simpler explanation; it's fathers that are pussies. Pardon my language, but it's the truth. I have a pretty adversarial relationship with my father, and I am 32 years old. But I do thank him for my upbringing. I was taught to respect women and to protect weaker people (no I don't mean women are weak.) A lot of people don't grow up with any understanding of what a hard life is. They think their girlfriend breaking up with them is the worst thing there is. They think having to work hard is for suckers. I grew up in that kind of generation, but I didn't get that same kind of upbringing. My parents weren't baby boomers. They didn't believe in all that Dr. Spock psychology nonsense. When I left high school, I had four choices. I either went to college, worked, joined the military, or lived on the streets. I went to college, and I fucked around for 3 years. I ultimately flunked out. My father was kind of enough to get me a job as a laborer. After a year of that, I knew I made a mistake. A hard day's work will cure you of wanting to cause mayhem. It knocks that chip right off of your shoulder. You don't think you are a tough guy, when you are surrounded all day by REAL tough guys. I don't think a lot of younger people get that life lesson anymore. They sail through life without a care in the world, and it's their parents that are to blame.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 7:20:43 AM

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Morrigan, what about up in Scotland? Do they carry guns up there?

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 7:38:42 AM

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No Popeye - the gun laws are UK legislation, so no guns in Scotland either. Well, for those who choose to obey the laws anyway.

Here's something to get your blood boiling! One of the local police forces to my region earlier this week requested that all owners of air weapons (which is more or less all we have access to left to us) hand them in - no legal obligation to do so, just a request after several instances of young kids getting hurt and one getting killed.

This really tells me a lot about us - yes, the vast majority cannot be trusted to have any weapon whatever, because theyre so amazingly clueless and stupid. A cluelessness and stupidity no doubt fed by actions taken on the basis of their cluelessness and stupidity, but its clear which was the pre-existing condition. Yes, anyone clueless and stupid enough to allow kids to play with any weapon shouldnt have one in the first place. Weapons are not toys.

I meanwhile am not clueless and stupid. I understand very well what a weapon is and how to handle it. However, because "all animals are equal" or the insistence on that notion at least - everyone must be banned from having a weapon, because it follows that if we're all equal then we must all be equally stupid and clueless.

I believe the same false notion is what is at work too often in our justice system. "All animals are equal" means that the offender and the victim are equal too, as is the person who might intervene. All must have prizes - or in this case, all must face possible prosecution if at all possible and failing that must get a hard time.

The simple fact is that "all animals are equal" is untrue and counter productive. Not just in the examples I give, but across every instance of society I can think of. "All animals are equitable" is a far more accurate and productive means of organisation, but not politically correct I understand - and certainly not politically productive.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 7:44:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
In the last year TWO judges were found to have been using a cock pump on themselves while in the middle of presiding over cases! Talk about keeping their mind on the job! lol

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Well I've heard of pistol packing mommas but not penis pumping judges.
Sounds like something that could only happen in Brighton.
Give "us" the story lol

Well MsM I wuz amazed, I wish I could believe that story but I just cant lol.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 8:17:46 AM

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I've beaten my browser (perhaps I'm out of practice!) and the only info I could find in reference to Judges and Penis Pumps were a couple of cases in the US. I recall a case in the UK in mid 2007 of a Judge being suspected of 'self-abuse' while presiding over a case and who subsequently resigned - I can't find any reference to that though. I'll keep digging lol

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 8:19:02 AM

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Popeye, you're obsessed with guns! The Scots have a very effective weapon, it's called the Glaswegian Kiss.

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Morrigan, what about up in Scotland? Do they carry guns up there?

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 9:02:30 AM

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I live in Tennessee and we have concealed carry as well as pretty reasonable laws about the use of lethal force.   I carry the majority of the time, but not when I plan on drinking as that is illegal.

This was very unfortunate for a poker budy of mine a last year.   A new guy at the game was drunk and went ape shit on him over a hand.   He was a seriously large dude and no one at the bar was going to try to break up the fight because of it. We called police immediately and they arrived in a matter of minutes, but it was a particularly brutal beating and Bill died of his injuries.

Had I been armed, I would have stopped the fight a little earlier but I don't know that it would have saved his life. Even under Tennessee law, I can't draw my weapon just over a fist fight.   It has to be a threat of life or bodily harm and our laws define bodily harm as broken bones, etc.   A risk of a broken nose is not justification to even point my weapon at someone.

Now I carry pepper spray in addition to my side arm and I can carry that almost anywhere.

EDIT: The attacker is currently in prison and facing 1st Degree Murder charges which can include the death penalty.   They are talking about a plea bargain to 2nd Degree Murder, but he has not agreed to it yet.   If he pleas, the sentencing is identical (20 years to life) but he does not risk the death penalty.   I suspect that he will plea as it's a pretty strong case for the death penalty.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 9:15:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

Now I carry pepper spray in addition to my side arm and I can carry that almost anywhere.

Well, dont bring it to the UK. Its banned as an offensive weapon here.

Mind you, a lot of what women carry around with them here (hairspray, scissors, metal combs etc) could bring an offensive weapon charge too, except the police arent quite so stupid as to consider it.

I made a point of it when I wrote the custody guidance for the police here that they might well come across the same items if they arrested TVs, to indicate that a charge would be inappropriate. They were baffled at first, but got it in the end I think, believe, hope.

E

PS - sorry to hear about your friend. I'm sure that had you been able to do something you would have, and hope you dont feel remorse unduly.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 9:35:34 AM

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Thanks E. There were several friends there and we've talked a lot about what we could have done, but the end conclusion was not a whole lot without pepper or a stun gun. If we had known how it was going to end up, we would have definitely done something but we didn't and we know the police would be there quickly (it's a small town.)

I'm amazed that you guys don't even allow pepper. In some states, we require a permit to carry it but that's about all. In all states, the use of pepper in an offensive way is considered an aggrevating factor. Thus, if you use it to aid in an attack you have just upped the crime to aggrevated assault, aggrevated robbery, especially aggrevated assault, etc. and the punishment for aggrevated crimes is dramatically more stiff.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 9:38:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

I viewed b/c I thought that people nearby, or, indeed, the person filming would have stepped in and taking this guy out.

It's always somebody else's problem.
People don't feel responsible or accountable.
A nebulous "somebody" ought to do "something."

Guess what? There's never really a "somebody" around.

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Sure a couple of people aimed a few weak kicks at him, but these don't even stop the husband's stabbing momentum and when they see this they just move along, leaving him to his frenzied attack on his wife.

The threshold to engage in violence is very high for most people. It drops significantly when they don't feel accountable for their actions (as demonstrated in the Milgram Experiment and its successors). But even then, there is a significant resistance to actually doing what it takes to stop someone who is sufficiently out of their mind to do a thing like that. Some people don't have a problem committing to the removal of a threat, but they are rare and often unappreciated. Thing is, the police will almost never be there when violence happens, nor should they (the required infrastructure is incompatible with a healthy society). Which is why people need to be prepared to deal with it themselves, and that usually requires letting the beast off the leash and reverting to the same primitive state as the aggressor.

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When did we stop caring about others to the point we will walk past such horror without making any attempt at stopping it?

It's not really a matter of not caring about others. More the other way around.

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What stunned me then, as it has now, is that my attack occurred in full daylight and on a crowded bus with people from all generations.

What happens is the sheep effect. There is no leader taking charge. Everyone looks to everyone else. It's the biological mandate.

The reason why Flight 93 didn't crash into a building is that there was one man who said "Let's roll" and meant it. He took charge, and others followed, as they generally will. I've seen it plenty of times. When I am in a situation where someone has been injured, or whatever, I will order people about and they will do as I say. It's taken a bit of time to get used to the idea after being raised in a culture that dislikes people doing just that, but there really is a mandate in how people are wired: some lead, some follow. I've no problem not being in charge. But I sure as hell won't stand around waiting for someone else to take charge.

That's what was missing on that bus: the person everyone else was genetically programmed to follow.

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Faced with dying a horrifyingly undignified death I went berserk, I'm not sure how I managed it but by all accounts I kicked the bottle from the hand of one of the attackers and while he was scrabbling for it I wiped the floor with the pair of them.

Bingo. It's in everyone, I think. Sadly, only a few are able and willing to let it out.

I've seen martial artists get their asses handed to them for the simple reason that they weren't committed enough to let go. And I've seen people with no training do amazing things because they were committed. I'm not about to claim to be überskilled myself, and my hormonal issues have fucked up my physique pretty badly. To be quite honest, I'd probably stand little chance against a serious attacker. But I don't hold back, and I'm not afraid to die. That stops most things before they start, when eyes meet and the other party realizes that if I can strangle them with my own guts before dying, I will. When they're not after you personally, there are other fish in the sea.

To the predatorial mind, there's no point risking your life for what someone else will let you have without resisting.

As the saying goes: "I don't have to outrun the bear; I just have to outrun you."

Being willing to cross that line gives you a head start.

Health,
al-Aswad.

P.S.: This was as much a rant as a reply; I hope you don't mind.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 9:43:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

It's just too much of a pain in the ass to tote one around concealed all the time for me.

That's what a certain police officer concluded, too...

He came to regret the decision when a disturbed individual started letting the lead fly in the church that the cop was attending. Laying on top of his wounded son to shield him from further bullets, he couldn't do anything other than to hope someone who was carrying would show up. Would you be able to live with having left it in the truck if that happened?

I honestly don't see much legitimate reason for carrying part-time.

If you have time to go fetch it, there's no need for it.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 9:50:16 AM

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Sounds like I have some people I can plainly hate.

I'm not sure it's worthwhile to waste that much of yourself on them.

Why not settle for boundless contempt, righteous indignation at the insult to our species, a bit of rage, and hoping they run afoul of a similarly wired "colleague" of theirs who prefers to do such things to someone of their own size and species?

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 10:00:52 AM

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IME, it really depends on the weapon you choose. I have a .380 Bursa Thunder (similar to a Walther PPK) that small, light and extremely easy to carry but it doesn't have a lot of hitting power. My other two are better when needed to use, but a bit of a pain to carry unless I'm wearing heavy clothing or a suit.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

It's just too much of a pain in the ass to tote one around concealed all the time for me.

That's what a certain police officer concluded, too...

He came to regret the decision when a disturbed individual started letting the lead fly in the church that the cop was attending. Laying on top of his wounded son to shield him from further bullets, he couldn't do anything other than to hope someone who was carrying would show up. Would you be able to live with having left it in the truck if that happened?

I honestly don't see much legitimate reason for carrying part-time.

If you have time to go fetch it, there's no need for it.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 10:19:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

IME, it really depends on the weapon you choose. I have a .380 Bursa Thunder (similar to a Walther PPK) that small, light and extremely easy to carry but it doesn't have a lot of hitting power. My other two are better when needed to use, but a bit of a pain to carry unless I'm wearing heavy clothing or a suit.

So, cliff notes: you're not carrying part-time.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 11:59:26 AM

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Having lived for years in Worthing and meeting my partner, who comes from Brighton, I announced to my mother I was going over, by train, to visit him. My mother, bless her heart, is going to be 80 this year, is a tiny lady, upper middle class that is pretty reclusive in her twilight years and was educated at a 'boarding school for young ladies' lol I'm laughing at the ridiculousness of it. She tells me to 'hold on one moment, darling' and off she goes into her bedroom, I hear her rummaging around opening drawers/cupboards, etc... Only to present me with a pepper spray she purchased in France when she went there last year! "Just in case, you never know what lurks in Brighton." I couldn't help but smile and was thinking the same about Worthing!

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Well, dont bring it to the UK. Its banned as an offensive weapon here.

Mind you, a lot of what women carry around with them here (hairspray, scissors, metal combs etc) could bring an offensive weapon charge too, except the police arent quite so stupid as to consider it.

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RE: The Horror We Call Humanity - 2/7/2008 12:09:20 PM

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Muttling, I truly am sorry about your friend's death. I used to be anti-death penalty, but over the years, and largely due to an ineffectual judiciary, my 'anti'metre is pretty weak. The only problem I do have with it now is the fact that the men put to death (sometimes up to 20 years after their crime) aren't the same people that committed those heinous crimes they were sentenced for.

My personal philosophy is that if two guys are slugging at one another, the point to step in and make an attempt to stop it is when one is no longer capable of defending themselves and the other is showing no inclination to cessate his attack.

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

This was very unfortunate for a poker budy of mine a last year. A new guy at the game was drunk and went ape shit on him over a hand. He was a seriously large dude and no one at the bar was going to try to break up the fight because of it. We called police immediately and they arrived in a matter of minutes, but it was a particularly brutal beating and Bill died of his injuries.

Had I been armed, I would have stopped the fight a little earlier but I don't know that it would have saved his life. Even under Tennessee law, I can't draw my weapon just over a fist fight. It has to be a threat of life or bodily harm and our laws define bodily harm as broken bones, etc. A risk of a broken nose is not justification to even point my weapon at someone.

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