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WASHINGTON - In more bad economic news, consumer confidence and home prices posted sharp declines while higher costs for such basics as food and energy left wholesale inflation rising at the fastest pace in a quarter-century.



The new reports Tuesday raised the threat of a return of "stagflation," the economic curse of the 1970s in which economic growth stagnates at the same time that inflation continues racing ahead.



The 1 percent January jump in wholesale prices was led by a surge in the prices of energy, food and prescription drugs and followed a report last week that consumer prices had risen by a bigger-than-expected 0.4 percent because of price pressures in the same areas.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

SO - who is pushing the biofuels craze,

and who is working overtime to ensure we don't open up any new oil fields or refineries. Republicans?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Say your fantasy came alive, and everyone was driving electric cars that couldn't get you to the Nevada border from where you are.

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How would we have charged them over the years, with more nuclear plants, coal plants, or oil-fired plants... remember, affordable solar is barely now coming online, and wind plants are considered only marginally workable.

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You can also blame trial lawyers like John F. Edwards for high prescription drug costs.

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You can also blame trial lawyers like John F. Edwards for high prescription drug costs.

What exactly does this have to do with Stagflation?

Or is it simply an attempt to change the subject to one you might not look like a complete Tool of the Man discussing?

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Tool of man? Sinking to attempted insults now, in desperation, Sinergy?

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WASHINGTON - In more bad economic news, consumer confidence and home prices posted sharp declines while higher costs for such basics as food and energy left wholesale inflation rising at the fastest pace in a quarter-century.



The new reports Tuesday raised the threat of a return of "stagflation," the economic curse of the 1970s in which economic growth stagnates at the same time that inflation continues racing ahead.



The 1 percent January jump in wholesale prices was led by a surge in the prices of energy, food and prescription drugs and followed a report last week that consumer prices had risen by a bigger-than-expected 0.4 percent because of price pressures in the same areas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23349559

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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WASHINGTON - In more bad economic news, consumer confidence and home prices posted sharp declines while higher costs for such basics as food and energy left wholesale inflation rising at the fastest pace in a quarter-century.



The new reports Tuesday raised the threat of a return of "stagflation," the economic curse of the 1970s in which economic growth stagnates at the same time that inflation continues racing ahead.



The 1 percent January jump in wholesale prices was led by a surge in the prices of energy, food and prescription drugs and followed a report last week that consumer prices had risen by a bigger-than-expected 0.4 percent because of price pressures in the same areas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23349559

7 posts, it degrades from the original post.

$20 bucks.

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Tool of man? Sinking to attempted insults now, in desperation, Sinergy?

I apologize for calling it like I see it.

But most posts I read from you are simply your attempts to inarticulately insult the left wing for the outcomes of the insane incompetence of the last 7 years of the Dipshit in Chief and the part of that which was overseen by the worst Congress in history.

However, getting back to the point I made.  Please clarify your point about the EV not getting me from Nevada to Long Beach whereas a gas vehicle wont do it either.

I am simply trying to understand your lucid dissertations on the physics and economics of continuing republican policies.

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The left was once proud of those efforts.

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The left was proud of our efforts in alternative energy sources like solar, and wave, and energy conservation.

Then you have the biofuels like hydrogen which are insanely expensive, untested, unworkable, and require huge amounts of fossil fuels to create, and ethanol which is largely untested, profitable for large corporations, unmade, remove a small percentage of the fossil fuels we are already using.  These are the biofuels championed by the Right.

Please clarify which one you are discussing, rather than attempting to ask me to defend a straw man's argument.

Also, please clarify your comment about driving from Nevada to Redondo Beach because it seems like an obtuse non-sequiter to me and I am really interested in your lucid reasoning.

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Biofuels however are directly on-topic because the OP discusses inflation due primarily to higher food, fuel and pharmaceutical prices.

Biofuels are becoming increasingly popular especially because of the Global Warming scaremongers and because of the high price of traditional fuels. The big problem with biofuels is that they require vast amounts of farmland to produce them, and they're therefore a major reason food prices are increasing worldwide - crowding especially the poorest people out of the food market.

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A gasoline or a deisel car can make it to the Nevada border with only a few minutes to refuel, if it had to refuel at all. Your electric car would take hours to charge along the way, that was my original point in that argument. Despite all your conspiracy theories, if the electric car were viable they would rule the market by now but they're not, so they don't.

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We have the ability to pump fuel right out of the ground and, with only a little bit of refining, we can heat grandma's house with it and allow her to drive to the store and buy something other than Alpo dog food to eat.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
We are arguing the same point.

All biofuels do is allow us to prevent energy armageddon by a few months to a year, similar to opening ANWAR, and despite the fact that Willy Nelson drives Biofuel it is championed by agribusiness, not the left, because the Right refuses to give up their record profits as petroleum becomes more and more scarce.

If it had not been for Standard oil destroying the rail car system in California, and preventing any effort to build a feasible mass transit system, Los Angeles might have a system similar to BART.

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A gasoline or a deisel car can make it to the Nevada border with only a few minutes to refuel, if it had to refuel at all. Your electric car would take hours to charge along the way, that was my original point in that argument. Despite all your conspiracy theories, if the electric car were viable they would rule the market by now but they're not, so they don't.

How much do you actually know about the EV, and specifically the battery they used?

They could be quick charged in minutes and would go 300 miles, which is why the auto manufacturers never sold them and took them to the desert to be crushed.

With charging stations you pull in to a charging station, hook up, drink a cup of coffee, and drive onwards.

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We have the ability to pump fuel right out of the ground and, with only a little bit of refining, we can heat grandma's house with it and allow her to drive to the store and buy something other than Alpo dog food to eat.

We have the ability.  Whether there is oil available to pump in 10 years is an entirely different question. It is that question the Right refuses to deal with or accept because it gets in the way of corporate profits.

Some people like to anticipate problems and have solutions in place to deal with them prior to it becoming a crisis.  These are the people who are referred to derogatorily as Leftists or Liberals by many of those on the right.

I like to think of myself as a progressive, looking to the future, and not hidebound doing the same psychotic approach that did not work before under the insane notion it might work if I keep doing it.

Sinergy

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If we're talking about the ridiculous strategy of relying on oil and shooting down the ideas of biofuel (equally ridiculous for other reasons), electric vehicles and hydrogen powered vehicles, maybe we could also look at shooting down the idea of the French company for a vehicle running on compressed air?

Whats fascinating about this is that it performs like a car fuelled from oil products - and uses an existing technology found everywhere and easy to install anywhere, to refuel - compressed air. Emissions are - air, the vehicle makes no sound at all. The compressed air is sent through to the engine, turning the pistons and turning the wheels.

Now I see huge domestic potential for such engines too. What if every home had such an engine installed in it? Eventually we would put in the infrastructure to pipe compressed air to the engines, just like we now have gas mains, but in the meantime we would have weekly deliveries of fresh compressed air tanks to keep the engines running - the cylinders being recyclable they could go round and round the system.

Our domestic compressed air engine would work the same as in the car - the air would turn the pistons and that would be turned into electricity to heat and light our homes.

Yes, there is still the problem of generating power by other means somewhere, to compress the air into the cylinders - but with the few nuclear plants we have now, which would not be needed to produce electricity for the mains, we could put the compressed air plant next to them and use their output to fill the cylinders.

No new energy plants needed, no need for plants burning fossil fuels, and the reliance on fossil fuels generally eliminated as far as energy goes, because our vehicles and our homes would be powered by compressed air engines, fuelled by way of existing nuclear power plants.

Such a new means of powering vehicles and homes would represent a huge market - so boosting the economy out of the mess we're all in. The power company continues to exist and switches over to filling cylinders and perhaps delivering them, rather than delivering electricity by the mains - no need for job losses here. The oil companies continue to exist but shrink to supplying oil derived chemicals to the plastics and chemical industries. And we get out of relying on oil - which is sensible from the geo-political point of view, even if we reject the idea of man made global warming - and we reduce pollution.

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