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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/28/2008 8:40:51 PM   
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Something is troubling me.  Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white yet seems to identify as totally black.  With the black community wondering if he's "black enough".. I'm wondering if his non-acknowledgment of his white half is a sign of not being "white" enough.
 
He is in the situation of being able to flip-flop between races as will benefit him.  I'm watching him closely. 
 
Will we vote for the person or the novelty of his race?  Same with Hillary.. will we vote for the person or the novelty of the gender?



What troubles me is that when you look at Obama, you see two colors converging in one man, giving him a 'novelty.' When I look at Obama, I see a charismatic guy who seems to be uniting the nation for a common goal. I see someone I think can really do some good in this country and someone for whom I intend to actually vote, where none have so inspired me thus far.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/28/2008 8:58:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what I've seen and heard from the guy, I like Obama as a person. He speaks well, dresses nicely, has good posture, and appears very charasmatic. Unlike the Jessie Jackson campaign, I just see Obama as a person.

As for being 1/2 black specificly, a portion of black co workers of mine say "All of us are black, but none of us are all black. Obama is a black man but that does not mean he's going to get my vote."

As a person, I like the guy. As a president, well I guess I could give him a chance. I'd like to see which promises he can keep.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/28/2008 9:04:56 PM   
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anyone who votes based on color or sex needs to be shot in the fore head. the fact that either person is this or that should mean NOTHING. pay attention to the debates, do some background checking, and make your decision based on who YOU think is the best person that can bring this country out of the slump its in.

FUCK RACISM AND SEXISM.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/28/2008 9:23:41 PM   
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Im wondering why you are so focused on race as a huge concern... it seems to be a pattern for you


Oh.. I see.. it's ok for a minority to discuss race whenever they can,. but not a white.  sorry..my bad.  Quit making an issue of something tht there is no issue of.  It was just asn observstion, Julia.
 
If you feel uncomfortable with race issues..just avoid the threads.



I agree with Julia...It's fine to offer up your observations...The way you do it and the issues you choose just seem to be forming a pattern....I could be wrong, but I rarely am.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/28/2008 10:31:51 PM   
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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/28/2008 11:10:16 PM   
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a person named hussien for president?hmmm




You just heard that?

Where you been?

Better then someone named McCain for president.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 12:46:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Something is troubling me.  Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white yet seems to identify as totally black.  With the black community wondering if he's "black enough".. I'm wondering if his non-acknowledgment of his white half is a sign of not being "white" enough.
 
He is in the situation of being able to flip-flop between races as will benefit him.  I'm watching him closely. 
 
Will we vote for the person or the novelty of his race?  Same with Hillary.. will we vote for the person or the novelty of the gender?




I read this without looking at the avatar. My immediate response was, "This OP person is white." Bingo.

Folks who have any black in them get called black, get treated differently, and deal with things us white folks do not experience. I am quite certain he does not find his skin color a novelty. I am sure there is not much novel about it to him at all. I am certain he attempts to appreciate the best of both sides. I doubt anyone thinks of him as white. I am sure most think of him as black. How in the heck is he going to be flip-flopping? Some blacks may feel the white part of him may not really understand the black situation the way an all-black person might. Some white people obviously dont trust him the way the would an all-white man, let's say.

There are folks all over the world who are racist. There are folks who claim they dont see color. To me, that is like saying you dont hear accents. Yeah okay. Sure. I mean if all sides are respected, heard and no one is exploited, abused or manipulated, rock on!

If Obama can help bring us together in peace then he is the best man for the job.

Lots of Super-Human people have been half white and half black.



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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 2:52:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Something is troubling me.  Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white yet seems to identify as totally black.  With the black community wondering if he's "black enough".. I'm wondering if his non-acknowledgment of his white half is a sign of not being "white" enough.
 
He is in the situation of being able to flip-flop between races as will benefit him.  I'm watching him closely. 

Will we vote for the person or the novelty of his race?  Same with Hillary.. will we vote for the person or the novelty of the gender?




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The tragedy for Obama and his supporters is that the dream of a post-racial America is just that - a dream. 

A politician has to reach voters of such widely varying levels of intelligence that it seems an impossible task to bring understanding when so many are so ill-equipped to receive it.

You have to wonder about the twilight world some seem to inhabit.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 3:00:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heartcream


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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Something is troubling me.  Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white yet seems to identify as totally black.  With the black community wondering if he's "black enough".. I'm wondering if his non-acknowledgment of his white half is a sign of not being "white" enough.
 
He is in the situation of being able to flip-flop between races as will benefit him.  I'm watching him closely. 
 
Will we vote for the person or the novelty of his race?  Same with Hillary.. will we vote for the person or the novelty of the gender?




I read this without looking at the avatar. My immediate response was, "This OP person is white." Bingo.

Folks who have any black in them get called black, get treated differently, and deal with things us white folks do not experience. I am quite certain he does not find his skin color a novelty. I am sure there is not much novel about it to him at all. I am certain he attempts to appreciate the best of both sides. I doubt anyone thinks of him as white. I am sure most think of him as black. How in the heck is he going to be flip-flopping? Some blacks may feel the white part of him may not really understand the black situation the way an all-black person might. Some white people obviously dont trust him the way the would an all-white man, let's say.

There are folks all over the world who are racist. There are folks who claim they dont see color. To me, that is like saying you dont hear accents. Yeah okay. Sure. I mean if all sides are respected, heard and no one is exploited, abused or manipulated, rock on!

If Obama can help bring us together in peace then he is the best man for the job.

Lots of Super-Human people have been half white and half black.



I must whole-heartedly agree!

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 3:18:38 AM   
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If Obama can help bring us together in peace then he is the best man for the job.


Except Obama has no interest in bringing anybody together.  His stump speeches reflect classic liberal class-warfare thinking.  He pits "rich" against "poor"..."government" against "people".  Even as he claims not to demonize, he does.

He pledged to accept public funding last year, but this year decided his word was for sale to his fundraisers.  Off the campaign trail, we call that a broken promise.

He promises to bring the troops home from Iraq, but has no real plan for leaving a stable government in that country--which is the only way to ensure troops won't be returning to Iraq.  Off the campaign trail, we call that dangerously naive.

He attacks the Bush tax cuts as going to the richest "2%" of American taxpayers--when that's absolutely not true (I'm nowhere near that 2% bracket and my taxes definitely went down).  Off the campaign trail, we call that a lie.

McCain may be a neocon (neoconservative), but Obama is a neophyte.  No experience and even less insight into the practicalities of republican government.

An Obama Presidency will mean higher taxes, a less secure nation, a less competitive nation, with less healthcare, less opportunity, and less hope.


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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 3:20:16 AM   
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FUCK RACISM AND SEXISM.

I prefer to ignore racists and sexists, and fuck women instead--much more entertaining!


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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 4:49:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Im wondering why you are so focused on race as a huge concern... it seems to be a pattern for you


Oh.. I see.. it's ok for a minority to discuss race whenever they can,. but not a white.  sorry..my bad.  Quit making an issue of something tht there is no issue of.  It was just asn observstion, Julia.
 
If you feel uncomfortable with race issues..just avoid the threads.



You didn't just 'discuss race', and it wasn't just an observation, it was claiming that there was something negative (i.e. 'troubling') about a person based on their not trying to pass for white.  There is no such thing in this society as half and half, and you know it as well as everyone else here.
Add in the untrue assertion that Obama has refused to acknowlege his white heritage, and you are getting the comments your OP deserves.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 5:15:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Something is troubling me.  Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white yet seems to identify as totally black.  With the black community wondering if he's "black enough".. I'm wondering if his non-acknowledgment of his white half is a sign of not being "white" enough.
 
He is in the situation of being able to flip-flop between races as will benefit him.  I'm watching him closely. 
 
Will we vote for the person or the novelty of his race?  Same with Hillary.. will we vote for the person or the novelty of the gender?




I'm sorry LS; you really have wandered off the tracks with this one!

The thing is, it wouldnt matter if Obama was 1/4 black or 1/16th black; as far as the dominant culture goes, however little black he might have in him, he's seen as black - and that says such a lot about race relations in the US. And by the way, here its the same.

It all seems to me to come from the strange and outdated idea that there are white people, and then there is "everyone else", and the slightest hint of genetics derived from the "everyone else" group invalidates a person next to the "superior" white group. Although, if its true that he's not regarded as "black enough" by the black community, maybe it says something about human nature rather than dominant culture? Albeit that in the black community perhaps, the same "superiority of purity" may be applied for similar cultural reasons as it seems to be in the white community.

I have to ask - what the hell does it matter? None of us - or at most very, very few of us, are genetically purely of one nation, even here in Europe. To propose that ethnicity can play a part in democracy is extremely regressive at best, very dangerous at worst. And in the US - a country formed from almost every ethnic group on the planet, its totally ridiculous.

And it also provides great insult to people of all ethnicities in the US, to propose that they might choose on the basis of anything other than who will get the job done best.

Vote for who you think will do the job best. And in my uninvolved position, I would say that is Obama - for if he achieves little but to reinvigorate and re-inspire the US and the western world, he will have performed the job well and far better than any of his rivals could have.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 5:39:32 AM   
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He keeps telling us what "He" wants to "do", not listening to the American People and asking us what "WE" want done in this country.


Well who knows maybe what "he"wants to do will work better than asking what"we" want done.


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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 5:52:00 AM   
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Perhaps I look at this differently, but I kind of admire the way Senator Obama discusses race. Speaking in Wisconsin, and discussing race, the mentioned how we need to bring everyone together, white, black and hispanic. Speaking in San Antonio, he mentioned how we need to bring everyone together, hispanic, white and black, and speaking in south Houston, he mentioned how we need to bring everyone together, black, white and hispanic.
 
Some may see that as pandering to the crowd, but I don't. We have issues with race here in America. Not good, but it is, what it is. If someone wants to take a crack at bringing us together, who are we to question his methods. It isn't like any other methods we have used are working.
 
In the end, I would rather have someone that will address these issues, rather than someone who will ignore them on the alter of politcal correctness.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 6:15:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Race is a social construct; in Genetics, "race" has a very specific meaning, and the variations in the human genome do not qualify.

As for CelticLord's rant about "class warfare", well, that cracks me up. The rethugs have been attacking the middle class for years.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 6:55:34 AM   
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Race is a social construct; in Genetics, "race" has a very specific meaning, and the variations in the human genome do not qualify.

As for CelticLord's rant about "class warfare", well, that cracks me up. The rethugs have been attacking the middle class for years.


I read his speeches.  One does not unite people by setting up "us" vs. "them" divisions; villifying the top 2% income bracket while extolling the "working" people is class warfare rhetoric--by definition.  If you wish to debate the merits of that division, we can do so (because your assertion is provably wrong)--but to suggest that it is anything other than class warfare rhetoric is disingenuous.


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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 7:06:52 AM   
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the nation- is- - well not there yet.   [rascism]  obama is classy.  he is closely scrutinized. in fact- ild bet he was pulled over by the cops for being in the wrong nieghborhood.

-i recall when jane byrn ran against daily and harold washington. the 3 way race --renderred washington the winner.  i attended governors state u, at the time- aprogressive college. even there- a tension was in the air. very diverse- as we looked at eachother- we could read the thoughts. as anglos we we petrified.
having been there- he ended up to be a great mayor. [the anglos were afraid,]
but dont be afraid.   BTW the daley in the 80s is not the daley of today.

i talked to a few folks who are anglo- and the spit is incredulous.

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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 7:15:25 AM   
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Race is a social construct; in Genetics, "race" has a very specific meaning, and the variations in the human genome do not qualify.

As for CelticLord's rant about "class warfare", well, that cracks me up. The rethugs have been attacking the middle class for years.


I read his speeches.  One does not unite people by setting up "us" vs. "them" divisions; villifying the top 2% income bracket while extolling the "working" people is class warfare rhetoric--by definition.  If you wish to debate the merits of that division, we can do so (because your assertion is provably wrong)--but to suggest that it is anything other than class warfare rhetoric is disingenuous.


celticlord:
Are you suggesting that there is no class warfare?
Are you suggesting that if there is class warfare that it should be ignored?
Are you suggesting that the top 2% deserve to rule?
Are you suggesting that those who work for a living should support the top 2% in the style to which they have become accustomed?
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RE: My Concern About Obama - 2/29/2008 7:27:02 AM   
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mixing it with total naivete about the mess in Iraq, and justifies it all by calling it "change".



He differs in your mind from the cretin whose naivete and incompetence started the whole mess in Iraq how?

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