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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 5:44:49 AM

BoiJen

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Last time I checked the word Nigger is policed...ever been the only white kid in ablack neighborhood?...you don't use the word. However, given that it means an ingornat person I'm sure we could find many uses of it.

I'm not policing anything. I'm saying the words we have are limiting...so with the words we have make them count and use them correctly.

As for the "he"/"she"/"it" they are pronouns used in reference to gender. My gender is boi, not girl. My sex (gender is your head sex is in your pants) is female.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 5:46:50 AM

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I'm not policing anything. I'm saying the words we have are limiting...so with the words we have make them count and use them correctly.

how are words limiting? I think labels are limiting which is why i love how they can all change so much and mean so much to so many differant people, i genuienly dont see it as a bad thing.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 5:47:38 AM

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Gender is a bit more fluid than that...

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 5:51:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Last time I checked the word Nigger is policed...ever been the only white kid in ablack neighborhood?...you don't use the word. However, given that it means an ingornat person I'm sure we could find many uses of it.

I'm not policing anything. I'm saying the words we have are limiting...so with the words we have make them count and use them correctly.

As for the "he"/"she"/"it" they are pronouns used in reference to gender. My gender is boi, not girl. My sex (gender is your head sex is in your pants) is female.

Did you see the context I used the word in? Didnt think so...

And for the record, I still see people on a daily basis saying "Whaddup my nigga," or "Oh shit! Nate is my nigga, hows he doin". I dont disagree, however, that the term Nigger is policed.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:00:29 AM

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As for the "he"/"she"/"it" they are pronouns used in reference to gender. My gender is boi, not girl. My sex (gender is your head sex is in your pants) is female.

Oh? Are you a transexual? Because typically, I only hear men and FtM's calling themselves anything that sounds like "boy."

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:02:37 AM

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...ever been the only white kid in a black neighborhood?...

I don't think that Kyttyn has had that experience, due to her youth perhaps, or other factors.

I have on the other hand, had that experience often, but then I went looking for it.

Ron

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:09:06 AM

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Oh? Are you a transexual? Because typically, I only hear men and FtM's calling themselves anything that sounds like "boy."

I've been playing around on this thread because I'm in a good mood. But I have to ask you Smith: WTF????????

Who CARES if she's trans????? And how is it any of your business? She gave her sex and gender, and conveniently provided you a definition of her gender identity in the opening post of this thread. If you don't understand the definition of "sexually female" I am sure there are some helpful porn sites you could surf to get that information.

An interesting, useful thread, started by someone who actually knows who she is, and all you can do is get pissy because her (until very recently standard) use of a term doesn't jibe with your own (LIMITED) personal experience??? Get a hobby, dude.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:16:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

As for the "he"/"she"/"it" they are pronouns used in reference to gender. My gender is boi, not girl. My sex (gender is your head sex is in your pants) is female.

Oh? Are you a transexual? Because typically, I only hear men and FtM's calling themselves anything that sounds like "boy."

You probably need to get out more then -- there are so many women, yes, real live women, who use the term boi or boy or (insert masculine term here) to refer to themselves and they are not transexual or transgendered (use specific terms here, because it matters!). Your "typically" is not everyone typical for everyone.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:16:57 AM

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my problem (i have many so this is just one)

The idea of closing off definitions in my mind goes hand in hand with judgement. what being a sub means to me is differant to other people, what i do/feel/want/need/hate as a sub is differant from the next, does that mean we should all have differant words? I know that the use of the term boi is differant because its differant social settings but then it still has equal value as a term in their ideology/cultural values as yours does.

The word trendy here can be used in many differant ways, the initial definition is someone who is dressed to follow the fashion, my sister uses it to refer to a certain type of person based on the type of music they listen to/tv they watch etc etc In her cultural circle they understand the meaning that they have applied to it, if she was to talk to someone who wasnt 'in on' the definition then they wouldnt understand it they would take it to mean the most common definition. That doesnt mean that either definition is wrong, just that it takes on differant significance depending on the context of its use.

boi then means differant things to differant people. To my sister boi means simply a 'cool/likable/young boy' in the gay community it refers to butch women or effeminate men, to me it reminds me of that really annoying song. It all depends on context, and it doesnt make anyone any less informed or wrong just because of the origins of it. I dont look up every word that I use, if i identify with a word then I identify with it for my reasons just because someone else identifies with it for differant reasons doesnt make either worse than the other.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:17:11 AM

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Ahhhh there's the knee-jerk reaction I was waiting for. Thank you.

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Who CARES if she's trans????? And how is it any of your business? She gave her sex and gender, and conveniently provided you a definition of her gender identity in the opening post of this thread. If you don't understand the definition of "sexually female" I am sure there are some helpful porn sites you could surf to get that information.

I never said I cared if she were a trans. Nor did I indicate it was my business. However what annoys me is the need for people to use made-up words to describe themselves when it's not really necessary. And yes, I do understand quite well what "sexually female" means and it's more often than not used by someone who says they are "sexually female" but "genderly male" thus indicating an intent or desire to change.

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Smith117
Oh? Are you a transexual? Because typically, I only hear men and FtM's calling themselves anything that sounds like "boy."

An interesting, useful thread, started by someone who actually knows who she is, and all you can do is get pissy because her (until very recently standard) use of a term doesn't jibe with your own (LIMITED) personal experience??? Get a hobby, dude.

Well, ignoring your unwanted and un-neccessary assessment of the amount of my experience, I will say I have several hobbies, thanks. One of them is pointing out the ridiculous nature of a society so obsessed with making up words to identify with because inside they are insecure with what they are.

If I'm in a club, and I see a male-looking person who says "I'm a boi." (sounds like boy, right? right) Then when their pants come down, I expect to see a cock (not that I would want to, as I'm straight, but you get the point, hopefully). Sure, the two words 'look' different in text, but there are millions of places where text would be absent. So while the OP is bitching about people using her made-up word for themselves, I felt the need to bitch about her using a word that 'sounded' like one that described me when I was younger to describe herself.

Are you saying I can't bitch about that? Is there a double standard here where I have to conform to her words, but not the other way around? Interesting.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:18:16 AM

Smith117

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

my problem (i have many so this is just one)

The idea of closing off definitions in my mind goes hand in hand with judgement. what being a sub means to me is differant to other people, what i do/feel/want/need/hate as a sub is differant from the next, does that mean we should all have differant words? I know that the use of the term boi is differant because its differant social settings but then it still has exual value as a term in their ideology/cultural values as yours does.

The word trendy here can be used in many differant ways, the initial definition is someone who is dressed to follow the fashion, my sister uses it to refer to a certain type of person based on the type of music they listen to/tv they watch etc etc In her cultural circle they understand the meaning that they have applied to it, if she was to talk to someone who wasnt 'in on' the definition then they wouldnt understand it they would take it to mean the most common definition. That doesnt mean that either definition is wrong, just that it takes on differant significance depending on the context of its use.
boi then means differant things to differant people. To my sister boi means simply a 'cool/likable/young boy' in the gay community it refers to butch women or effeminate men, to me it reminds me of that really annoying song. It all depends on context, and it doesnt make anyone any less informed or wrong just because of the origins of it. I dont look up every word that I use, if i identify with a word then I identify with it for my reasons just because someone else identifies with it for differant reasons doesnt make either worse than the other.

Well said.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:22:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

As for the "he"/"she"/"it" they are pronouns used in reference to gender. My gender is boi, not girl. My sex (gender is your head sex is in your pants) is female.

Oh? Are you a transexual? Because typically, I only hear men and FtM's calling themselves anything that sounds like "boy."

You probably need to get out more then

Yep.

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Not with envy, not with a twisted heart, shall you feel superior, or go about boasting. Rather in goodness by action make true your song and your word. Thus you shall be highly regarded, and able to live in peace with all others.
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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:24:26 AM

Smith117

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

As for the "he"/"she"/"it" they are pronouns used in reference to gender. My gender is boi, not girl. My sex (gender is your head sex is in your pants) is female.

Oh? Are you a transexual? Because typically, I only hear men and FtM's calling themselves anything that sounds like "boy."

You probably need to get out more then

Yep.

LoL

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:25:21 AM

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why does it feel wrong that you agreed with me? nothing I said was anything like your argument.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:28:08 AM

Smith117

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why does it feel wrong that you agreed with me? nothing I said was anything like your argument.

Because you don't want to be on the same side as an asshole who openly states his opinion without caring what others think due to their ingrained sensitivities. You said what you said your way, I said it my way. Yours is more "PC" and friendly, mine is quite the opposite. I hate being PC so I try not to be as often as possible.

Essentially what you're saying is people should use boi if they want to use boi, regardless of what others think it means. I said something similar only I took a more asshole-ish stance to include a slight rant about people bitching over words.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:33:13 AM

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If I'm in a club, and I see a male-looking person who says "I'm a boi." (sounds like boy, right? right) Then when their pants come down, I expect to see a cock (not that I would want to, as I'm straight, but you get the point, hopefully). Sure, the two words 'look' different in text, but there are millions of places where text would be absent. So while the OP is bitching about people using her made-up word for themselves, I felt the need to bitch about her using a word that 'sounded' like one that described me when I was younger to describe herself.

I guess to me this read that you were saying that you didnt like her using the word (silly me) where my argument was that I dont care what words people use to describe themselves just that context was important.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:35:06 AM

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why does it feel wrong that you agreed with me?

Because you are a decent person who makes sense. I called him out on a weak point and he was searching for any support.

Both of the following are true:

1. Language changes.
2. Words really do mean certain things in certain contexts.

To communicate, you need to know what words mean to the person you are speaking with, not just to yourself. As an intentionally off-topic example, I decided years ago I would never use the word "Socialism" in a sentence, because it means something different to every single person, so it has negative communication value.

If a sexually female lesbian puts "Boi" in the front of her CM nick, she probably doesn't mean she's a Canadian skatepunk.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:36:38 AM

Smith117

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If I'm in a club, and I see a male-looking person who says "I'm a boi." (sounds like boy, right? right) Then when their pants come down, I expect to see a cock (not that I would want to, as I'm straight, but you get the point, hopefully). Sure, the two words 'look' different in text, but there are millions of places where text would be absent. So while the OP is bitching about people using her made-up word for themselves, I felt the need to bitch about her using a word that 'sounded' like one that described me when I was younger to describe herself.

Actually I take both stances simultaneously. It's one of my many talents.

I don't care what words people use. But if she's going to bitch about people using her made-up word, then I can bitch that her made-up word sounds like the word I've been called since birth. If she can be offended, so can I. All this offense is kinda silly, ain't it?

I guess to me this read that you were saying that you didnt like her using the word (silly me) where my argument was that I dont care what words people use to describe themselves just that context was important.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:37:44 AM

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why does it feel wrong that you agreed with me?

Because you are a decent person who makes sense. I called him out on a weak point and he was searching for any support.

Both of the following are true:

1. Language changes.
2. Words really do mean certain things in certain contexts.

To communicate, you need to know what words mean to the person you are speaking with, not just to yourself. As an intentionally off-topic example, I decided years ago I would never use the word "Socialism" in a sentence, because it means something different to every single person, so it has negative communication value.

If a sexually female lesbian puts "Boi" in the front of her CM nick, she probably doesn't mean she's a Canadian skatepunk.

Your un-neccessary outrage is quite hilarious.

< Message edited by Smith117 -- 3/7/2008 6:38:26 AM >

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:39:16 AM

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Everybody finds different things they identify with. BTW I didn't make up the word or the meaning...I'm just using it. I'm not trans...I'm quite satisfied being female and a boi. There's several gender conferences out there that quite educating to go to. And yes I do recognize that when saying the word, you don't SEE it. Just like you don't SEE the difference between the words Dom and Domme when speaking to someone.

As far as the "limiting words" thing...words are limiting. We have very few of them to actually describe the vast experiences and feelings and events that we have in our lives. However, given HOW limiting and confining words are...why not use the ones that fit most acurately to what we mean?

I'm one of those people who doesn't use labels to limit...they aren't a box to confine oneself in. Labels go into the box that is "me." They are not exclusie of other labels. They are simply words we put on ourselves to help other's better understand who we are as individuals.

And finally...I was the only white kid in a black neighborhood in the south. My entire family used the word nigger negatively and yet if I had dared to say the word I would have had to be preapred to have the shit kicked out of me. Just some history

From MsKitty's boijen

Thanks RedMagic...goddamned default settings.

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