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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:41:41 AM   
RedMagic1


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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:46:51 AM   
Smith117


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ORIGINAL: MsKittyBlack

As far as the "limiting words" thing...words are limiting. We have very few of them to actually describe the vast experiences and feelings and events that we have in our lives. However, given HOW limiting and confining words are...why not use the ones that fit most acurately to what we mean?

I'm one of those people who doesn't use labels to limit...they aren't a box to confine oneself in. Labels go into the box that is "me." They are not exclusie of other labels. They are simply words we put on ourselves to help other's better understand who we are as individuals.



Exactly. Therefore, since we all know words are limiting as are labels....why bitch about those who use 'your word?' Let people be who they are and use whatever words they want without giving them a hard time over it. We have enough problems in this world without having to break out a wiki-dictionary every time we want to open our mouths.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:47:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

If a sexually female lesbian puts "Boi" in the front of her CM nick, she probably doesn't mean she's a Canadian skatepunk.



Yup tis all about context (though I do have a bit of a soft spot for the canadian skatepunk, i mean she is hot right? right? :P)


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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:48:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		If words carry no meaning then we're fucked. The point is using boi as an example really. People use words and sometimes have no clue what that word means. Clarity in communication is broken down and sometimes misleading then.

And we are on CM...not some skater chat...so there is context here already.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:50:51 AM   
colouredin


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

If wods carry no meaning then we're fucked. The point is using boi as an example really. People use words and sometimes have no clue what that word means. Clarity in communication is broken down and sometimes misleading then.



God i do get annoyed when people totally misuse words (sociopath is a common one, the amount of people who i have heard use it as a thing to big up about themselves just makes them look silly) I think the problem with your example is that the question actually MEANS something differant to them, they arent using it in the same way, so they do know what it means just that it doesnt mean the same to you


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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:52:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not to step in anything here. I never KNEW the real definition of Boi. I always used to to refer to the sissy boys I know. or the f2m, m2f types. and I never pronounced it boy (as in the phonetical b-oy..oy as in the way punks shout OY! at shows...or ahah the way my bartender gets my attention) I always pronounced it boee (kind of like bouye...sort of french sounding) .........and i confused myself. ANYWAY....I just always used it to refer to the non traditional sence, and thats the way I have always seen/heard it used.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:55:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The majority of times I see it used is for submissive boys, not sexuality specific. AS if, for some reason, calling someone a boi rather than a boy is a lower standard. Personally, I prefer to use proper words.  My Fox and my Angel are boys, they are biologcally male and therefore boy. I find it just as bad to call a femmed slave a gyrl.. but thats a pet peeve of mine.  He is still male, just a fem. CALL him a fem!



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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 6:56:05 AM   
BoiJen


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Status: offline 		SunnyFey I've been in the room for that convo between FemDommes many times. lol

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:03:41 AM   
Smith117


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

If words carry no meaning then we're fucked. The point is using boi as an example really. People use words and sometimes have no clue what that word means. Clarity in communication is broken down and sometimes misleading then.

And we are on CM...not some skater chat...so there is context here already.


It doesn't matter. We've all already said they mean different things to different people. Why quibble of use of words? Let people be.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:04:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		this reminds me of the gradeschool girls signing
staci
traci
susi
dolli
cunti

the ' i ' s being dotted with a heart.  the language of sex and orientation and emotion and whatever is not nailed down like latin.

Just because wiki says the lesbians got there first don't mean a fuckin' thing.

If words carry such connotation then you shall always address me as Master, and speak real respectfully and in awe to me and suck my dick because I am a Master and your being a lesbian should have no bearing on that.

trump the trump.........bullshit is bullshit.

who fucking cares?

LOLOLOL

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:05:05 AM   
Smith117


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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

The majority of times I see it used is for submissive boys, not sexuality specific. AS if, for some reason, calling someone a boi rather than a boy is a lower standard. Personally, I prefer to use proper words.  My Fox and my Angel are boys, they are biologcally male and therefore boy. I find it just as bad to call a femmed slave a gyrl.. but thats a pet peeve of mine.  He is still male, just a fem. CALL him a fem!




Good for you. Fight the power.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:06:13 AM   
Smith117


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

this reminds me of the gradeschool girls signing
staci
traci
susi
dolli
cunti

the ' i ' s being dotted with a heart.  the language of sex and orientation and emotion and whatever is not nailed down like latin.

Just because wiki says the lesbians got there first don't mean a fuckin' thing.

If words carry such connotation then you shall always address me as Master, and speak real respectfully and in awe to me and suck my dick because I am a Master and your being a lesbian should have no bearing on that.

trump the trump.........bullshit is bullshit.

who fucking cares?

LOLOLOL

Ron 


Ok.......OKAY. I don't often (read hardly) agree with you.....but this post just got me.

Thank goodness I wasn't taking a drink just now or my screen would be pepsi-ized.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:06:42 AM   
colouredin


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If words carry such connotation then you shall always address me as Master, and speak real respectfully and in awe to me and suck my dick because I am a Master and your being a lesbian should have no bearing on that.



Wow Master you are soooo wise :P


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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:09:51 AM   
Justme696


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

If words carry no meaning then we're fucked. The point is using boi as an example really. People use words and sometimes have no clue what that word means. Clarity in communication is broken down and sometimes misleading then.

And we are on CM...not some skater chat...so there is context here already.


but the word boi is used by non BDSM lesbians too..I guess. So the BDSM context is as fitting as skating.
Doesn't matter what context we use actually...when you are a boi..you are one everywhere..not?


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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:20:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

If words carry no meaning then we're fucked. The point is using boi as an example really. People use words and sometimes have no clue what that word means. Clarity in communication is broken down and sometimes misleading then.

And we are on CM...not some skater chat...so there is context here already.


No BoiJen, you're assuming *your* context is supreme.  I fully understand what you're saying about language, and I understand your desire to keep the word meaning what *you* believe it means, but other people use the same word in a different context and ultimately that's just the way it is.  Words get to evolve, and they get to have mulitple meanings.  If the emo/skater crowd are using the same 'new' word in a different context you need to co-exist.  You wanted to know why people are using that word in a way dissimilar to how you use the word, well that's your answer.  It already has more than one common usage.

If we really want to get picky on what boi means, well I'll send you to the dictionary where it isn't listed at all.  Go check the Oxford English, and Webster's, it isn't in there yet.  (Webster's does have bootylicious...)  Perhaps a word with the meaning you're seeking would have been better implemented had it not been so closely related to "boy" in the first place.  To my parents, "boy" and any homonymns means "a young male".

Again, I understand your frustration, but I feel you're stuck seeing the issue from your own perspective with a 'word' which is important to you.  You're in a tug of war over the word, neither side is ulitmately going to have sole ownership.  I've been through it myself, with a completely different word which has evolved to mean something negative when the original context wasn't that way at all.  That's language evolution for you.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:33:53 AM   
colouredin


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Status: offline 		See see why cant i say things as well as ottRopesandKnots said it? 

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 7:43:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		the only dictionary entry for boi is
American Heritage Abbreviations Dictionary 3rd Edition BOI
Boise Air Terminal/Gowen Field
The American Heritage® Abbreviations Dictionary, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

that being said...umm...boijen, you're just gonna have to get over it that people use it in ways that you don't like, ms. boise air terminal jen....


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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 8:32:41 AM   
cjan


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Status: offline 		Gee, and here, all along, I thought a boi was someone with
an "i" chromosome, instead of a "y". Well, ya live and learn, eh ? ;)

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 8:35:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reason why is that last line of how the term has found increasing usage in the mainstream community. Meaning it's become slang and has changed from what it was when it was solely used in the lesbian community. That's what living languages do, they change and evolve, spellings, meanings and usage.

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RE: Straight males and the word "boi" - 3/7/2008 10:19:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen
If words carry no meaning then we're fucked. .

We generally are.

What does the word "son" mean?

A word is a symbol, it in itself carries NO inherent meaning.  Words have only that meaning which we give it.  Language as a social construct must contain some rules and standards in order to have a reasonable attempt at communication, but these are constantly changing and updating through generations.  You don't notice it much because you're in the flow.

If words themselves carried meaning, then you'd be able to speak foreign languages very easily- because the word itself could just be carried from culture to culture.  It does not.  We have a concept we experience and THEN we create a word to cover it.  Because of this, people create and use words based on their personal experience.

They are descriptive, not prescriptive.

When my friend started calling her male sub "boi" she had no idea of it's other cultural usage.  I explained it to her to give her the option of changing it and to make sure she was educated on the possible problems it would cause.  They kept it because it was special for them and it DID cause a small kerfluffle because people were confused by her usage.  But it was smoothed over.

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