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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

*grin and wink at you*

are you still sure, I edited.. and still held back what I really think.. LOL

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

I'll report I've been a leather dyke for a lot longer than 2004.. and suggest that the word boi was used as boijen has stated at least since 1995

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ORIGINAL: ottRopesandKnots

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

I'll report I've been a leather dyke for a lot longer than 2004.. and suggest that the word boi was used as boijen has stated at least since 1995

Awesome!  So even if we take your verbal reference (which I will) of 1995 for the lesbian usage, and references back to 2000 for goth/emo usages (and remember, neither of our numbers are concrete, they're just the earliest we've found citations for) then the 'word' boi has still had MULTIPLE MEANINGS for the majority of its lifespan.  It's done, the fight is over, sorry but the 'word' already has multiple meanings.

We can turn the fight for boi into Israel/Palestine if we really want to, it'll just be another never ending battle.

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

So here's a bit of info...


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boi_%28gender%29

Boi is a term used within the lesbian community to denote a submissive butch in the BDSM community and a young butch in the butch-femme community. It is also used as a term of endearment for butches by femmes.


It may also be used in the gay community to refer to a young-appearing (or relatively young) bisexual or gay male, especially one who has effeminate characteristics. The term can also be used by anyone who wishes to distinguish from heterosexual or heteronormative identities. The term is also commonly used by those who are female to male transgendered.[1]


It may also refer to a female-born or female-bodied person—sometimes transsexual, transgendered, or intersexed, sometimes not—that generally does not identify as, or only partially identifies as feminine, female, a girl, or a woman. Some "bois" identify as one or more of these, but they almost always identify as lesbians, dykes, or queers. Many are also genderqueer or practice genderfuck. Bois may prefer a range of pronouns, including "he", "she", or gender-neutral pronouns such as "hir", "sie", "zie", and "ey".[2]


The term has found increasing usage in the larger LGBT and mainstream cultures.

Now there is a source " I trust"  A bunch of self appointed geeks who know EveryFuckingThing.  As i read it the def of the term boi from the "source"  It covers everything except one legged dogs whose name doesn't start with b.  I wish I could be a FuckingKnowItAll!  I just don't have time

BadOne

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

If words carry no meaning then we're fucked. The point is using boi as an example really. People use words and sometimes have no clue what that word means. Clarity in communication is broken down and sometimes misleading then.

And we are on CM...not some skater chat...so there is context here already.

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

whatever.. I just gave you what my experience is.. since my involvement in the leather community predates my internet stuff.. I gave you the benefit of my experience.. 1995 is the first time I remember people actually competing for that title.. that said, it was used before then.. do we as lesbians get credit for the origin of the word?  I have no clue.. in my experience.. yeah, we do..

again, I'm given to the very useful... whatever

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

I'll report I've been a leather dyke for a lot longer than 2004.. and suggest that the word boi was used as boijen has stated at least since 1995