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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 5:05:18 PM   
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Which is why some of the men who contact us we find we arent into, just gotta risk it sometimes i guess

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 5:05:29 PM   
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Not sure if it was the word "girls" or "whine" that bothered you about my post, but maybe I came across in a way I didn't intend to, sorry.  Maybe I should have said "people" rather than "girls" and "sometimes complain" rather than "whine"... hmmm.



Oh god no, I wasn't bothered at all! I don't think of myself as a girl, that's all... sorry if I came across as pissed off - I certainly wasn't.

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 5:19:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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 After all, are not women the queens here-and the males merely postulants?



You said it, mate. Don't forget that once you've cornered your "queen", you're supposed to do pretty much everything you like with her... so the pay back is huge  .

I wonder what female Dominants and male submissives think of this?

I'm a hunter by nature I go after what I want, but after I do a lot of research. When I was looking for another sub I spelled it out in my profile what I was looking for and went looking for fem/male subs that matched. But of course that alone won't do it, you have to talk and get to know each other. Because there is one thing I've found out about the internet is, people are on their best behavior when it comes to finding a potential partner. It can take a long time to really find out who they are even after texting, emailing, phone calls...its when you meet in real life that you make discoveries for good or bad.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 5:30:55 PM   
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They do tend to be pretty coy about hiding thier fualts until after the fact. Which is why I prod them, to see if the mask will slip.

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 5:39:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I wouldnt turn the profile off personally, just seems that maybe you increase the chance of reply if you have a profile up but thats just me, but the rest of the advice is good :D


I agree with this in general.  On the other hand, even when I'm in "search" mode, I don't like to have a profile up anymore.  I have found (d'oh, it only took me like 10 years) that a lot of men will pander to what I write there and they will pretend to have the same ideals and to be looking (miraculously) for the exact same type of relationship that I am. 

As an alternative to the profile, I figure if I'm going to contact someone, I will write some general information about myself into the note.

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 5:40:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marieToo

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I wouldnt turn the profile off personally, just seems that maybe you increase the chance of reply if you have a profile up but thats just me, but the rest of the advice is good :D


I agree with this in general.  On the other hand, even when I'm in "search" mode, I don't like to have a profile up anymore.  I have found (d'oh, it only took me like 10 years) that a lot of men will pander to what I write there and they will pretend to have the same ideals and to be looking (miraculously) for the exact same type of relationship that I am. 

As an alternative to the profile, I figure if I'm going to contact someone, I will write some general information about myself into the note.


True, it's much easier to filter out the manipulative if they have nothing to go by. For myself, I just filter to keep away the sorts I find annoying.

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 6:30:08 PM   
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I couldn't agree more and have posted the same advice to those who come on the boards to complain about the quality of mail they're receiving, but some have said they find it too aggressive or forward for them to do.  ::shrug::  All I know is it worked for me...

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 6:39:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bound2One

I couldn't agree more and have posted the same advice to those who come on the boards to complain about the quality of mail they're receiving, but some have said they find it too aggressive or forward for them to do.  ::shrug::  All I know is it worked for me...


In other words, they have pride issues...And are worried they may be rejected-rather than have the upper hand in rejecting.

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 7:05:54 PM   
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~fr~ I do not send first emails for a variety of reasons.  The most common reason is I have yet to find anyone here who really interests me.  Too many just want to beat on their chests.  Pride does not come into it at all.  And I agree with Julia in that I believe that the men who contact me first have some interest.  And if they do not (contact me first that is), it is their loss!

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 7:10:34 PM   
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Stephann, your advice is generally good and I don't really disagree, however there are a few points I'd like to make...

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

... Do the work you're currently expecting men to do...


That's a pretty big (and stereotypical) assumption.  What makes you think that the submissives who complain are sitting back and expecting the doms to do all the work?

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

... and do searches for men (or women or couples or whomever) based on criteria you want.  Choose their age, height, sex, orientation (Dom, sub, switch) and then sift through the photos yourself.  Actually read their profiles.  Then only write two or three of them who seem genuinely interesting to you ... If you write five men who truly pique your interest, there's a good bet one or two will pan out.


You make it sound as if submissives aren't being selective at all about who they try to get to know.  I might be wrong, but I would think most women do use their criteria and profiles before deciding to respond to any dom who has initiated contact.  Considering all the mail that is received, I'd say it was a good bet that most of the time a woman wouldn't bother replying at all (with something other than "thanks, but no thanks") if her interest wasn't piqued. 

Of course, their chances are increased if they are initiating contact with doms who might not otherwise contact them, but frankly, I don't think it really matters all that much who does the searching and initial contacing.  So a sub takes the initiative... even if a dom's profile and statistics sound appealing and he responds, that doesn't mean the guy won't turn out to be a jerk.

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Every now and then a thread pops up about women complaining about the men they're getting to know on this (and other) websites.


Generally your advice is spot on if the complaints are about not being contacted by doms who meet their criteria.  It's not so useful in avoiding wasting time on some guy who ends up being incompatible for some reason outside what is contained in their profile (which is typically what I see the complaints being about).

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Finally, these message boards are the best part of Collarme.  Here, you can read a lot more about who a person is, based on their conversations, than you can from their profile, methinks.


Here, I agree wholeheartedly.  Firm and I would never have met had we not "seen" each other in the forums and liked what each other had to say.  

If they post enough, a dom's (or sub's) true colors do come out here...

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

But that would be work......god forbid someone feel so unwanted that they had to play the hunter, and actually put forth EFFORT.

 After all, are not women the queens here-and the males merely postulants?


You sound like a very bitter man.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

For myself, I just filter to keep away the sorts I find annoying.


Annoying?  How can you determine if someone's behavior is annoying simply by the search parameters?  Perhaps I'm wrong, but isn't the mail filter keyed off of a person's stats... height, weight, gender, orientation, location, etc.? 

Or are you saying that you find it annoying to be contacted by someone who does not have the statistics that you prefer?

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 7:22:09 PM   
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even when I considered myself a sub, I searched.  I didn't consider being the 1st to email someone as chasing them. lol. spent several years on vanilla dating sites, and I knew from being on there, that I wasn't going to get very far by just waiting for Mr.Right to show up.  As for those who complain about not finding whom they are looking for, most of the time is just venting, and they know what they should do already. They just want everyone to know how frustrated they are. (speaking from experience! I've posted at least one of those threads.)

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 7:27:19 PM   
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There are women who have TROUBLE finding men here?  Trouble finding men they LIKE, maybe....or finding their ideal dom or sub.  I know that I could have a different date every weekend if I felt like it, and maybe a few lunches during the week.  Jeez, men are thick on the virtual ground here. 

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 7:31:33 PM   
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Great thread!
I don't turn my profile OFF, but I don't list any BDSM activities {really},

I have never stated that I was searching for anyone, and basically my journal
is not personal.
lol, my last journal entry just states "VOTE".
 
I totally understand your message.
Soon, I am going to change my age to 99.


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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 7:38:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

I wouldnt turn the profile off personally, just seems that maybe you increase the chance of reply if you have a profile up but thats just me, but the rest of the advice is good :D


I agree with this in general.  On the other hand, even when I'm in "search" mode, I don't like to have a profile up anymore.  I have found (d'oh, it only took me like 10 years) that a lot of men will pander to what I write there and they will pretend to have the same ideals and to be looking (miraculously) for the exact same type of relationship that I am. 

As an alternative to the profile, I figure if I'm going to contact someone, I will write some general information about myself into the note.


It took me less time to figure out that men will pretend to be what you want.
Just don't state what you want, that is the reason I don't state what I want.
lol
I am too old for that game and it is so basic.
Anyone can pretend to be what you want when you spell it out for them.
Much harder when you don't.
Common sense aint that common, though.
Then you get the usual people complaining about all the liars they meet.


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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 8:12:38 PM   
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no one ever emails me any more!!  and if they do, they don't notice that i can't email them back, which is clearly spelled out at the end of my profile...

i suppose if i were looking for someone i might actually create another profile that i could email people from...but as is, i am just here for the message board and to get a insane or condemed status, whichever is next....

oh yea, and in my opinion the message boards are a much better place to look for someone who's a good match rather than someone who is convenient (ie, close to you..or a match to some fantasy you have that's not really a match at all)...you can actually get some insite into them rather than just what they paint their outsides with....

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 8:21:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SinergyNstrumpet

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Of course, your milage may vary.


Mine varied. I did what you suggested, and what I found was that men that I contacted were far less into me than men that contacted me first. Just my experience, and I know it isn't universal.

julia

edited to address this point

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Keeping a profile on is great, too, but I strongly recommend liberal use of mail filters (with occasional checking of the bulk mail, especially for forum warriors.)


I wouldn't recommend filters, it is fairly easy to scan an email to see if one should read a profile, and if one glances at a profile then they can further cull which ones they want to respond to. I know there are people on here that set their age to 99 on CM, or they do not publish their exact locale. I wouldn't want to miss out on someone because they did not list a weight, a height, played with their location a little, or their age.

Just my thoughts if I was looking again



Oh, sure.  Again, my suggestion isn't the best way for all.  Different people have different amounts of time to invest in their 'search.'  My suggestions are aimed at a sizable minority who clearly feel that the quality of men they've been talking to isn't up to snuff.  Meeting people online can be daunting at best.  Yet I've been extraordinarily fortunate in my online experiences in the past year, and feel that these suggestions might be of value to others.  It's not so much 'how' one is found, but rather the spirit behind it; that there's clearly a large pool of men for women to draw from.  If they're only looking at the men who wash ashore in their mailboxes, they are missing out on a great number of possibilities.

Hi Treasure!

I wasn't assuming all women having trouble aren't doing any work.  I'm not suggesting this is strictly a submissive, or even female issue.  I'm saying that the men who are writing, do so because they aren't usually getting unsolicited messages.  As mentioned by others, there is a prevelant attitude that the man is supposed to write.  It suggests that women aren't empowered to do the research that they are certainly entitled to do. 

Additionally, my post was aimed at posts made by submissives who wonder why a guy flakes out, starts acting weird in email, etc.  I've had this happen in the past, and I've learned that it usually happens from people who aren't particularly established here.  The older the profile, the more posts they have, the more likely they are to actually be whom they represent themselves to be.  I think many women do use "he has to write me first" as a major criteria.

The point I'm making is that I believe when you write people who pique your interest, and you don't reduce your standards, you vastly increase the chances of that person responding, and having something to share with them.  Most of the great interactions I've had that went from online to off, have been made with people who wrote about themselves in their profiles, really shared their interests and expectations, and listed interests and activities that I know I shared.  I wasn't writing a note saying "I don't know you at all, but I'd like to"; I was writing "I've read your profile, and I also LOVE camping/live music/whiskey/irish music/south park/dungeons!!!  If I know we're starting with a common base outside of just BDSM, I know that there's a much greater chance of having that spark with them, even if it leads to just friends.

Warm Regards,

Stephan

   



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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 8:36:46 PM   
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My thoughts on the OP's commentary:

1 - I agree that if someone is unwilling to do legwork themselves, they greatly reduce the chance of something good happening.

2 - I cannot recommend an invisible profile; you never, ever know what the winds of chance will bring you, and it might be that the person you are really looking for has followed that advice and has an invisible profile themselves. 

3 - I only recommend mail filters on things that are very, very definitely hard and clear criteria.  For instance, if you are a lesbian, no men, or if you are a gay male, no women, and so on.  I can't recommend them by age (because you have to draw a hard limit somewhere) unless you draw them far outside your bounds and then filter some by hand, and certainly not by distance/location, because that's just asking for trouble (you only get to list one location, but I split my time between two different parts of the country, as a personal example).

4 - It's easy enough to glance at a profile when you get mail and make a real quick yes / no worth reading decision.  No rocket science there.

Minor points, though.  Overall, I suggest Stefan's advice is very good, well-intentioned, and on target.  Nice work.


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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 8:43:12 PM   
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My main issue as an artist, is that most women on here seem to be the consumer types, and full of sterotypical expectations. Role playing is fun, but you can really take your *fantasy life* much too seriously.

I'm looking for people to add fun and creative things to my life-not drones that just nod thier heads and go with whatever the "herd" seems to be dictating at the moment.

That's what I find annoying, complacency.

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 8:54:25 PM   
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I dunno, I've met some very nice people, men and women from on here. Yes I've ran into a couple of freaks but dismissed them and moved on quickly.

I found using common sense and trusting my instincts and my intelligence, I rarely had trouble with freaks, fakes or players.

Maybe I'm just lucky *S*

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RE: For women: how to find a man here - 3/13/2008 9:42:35 PM   
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I try not to hide who I am. I'm a nerd and proud of it. But I also don't give out my deepest darkest secrest on the first date. I have nothing against being approached by women, I figure they are just trying to do the same thing I am and find somone to snuggle on a cold night.

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