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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 3:35:49 PM   
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So when subs come on here and complain about "money dommes" they are often "preaching to the choir".

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hmmmmmmmmmm????????

i can accept THAT analogy...thank You.....

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 4:00:36 PM   
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ok.. i've been reading this thread for a couple of days and i have a very specific question... which should maybe a different forum topic... i'm not judging Aanyone... i'm sincerely trying to learn... but why be a 'pro' Dom or Domme? does 'pro' simply mean they are paid... and i truly mean no disrespect to Aanyone... but isn't that a form of prostitution? ok... i'm blunt... but truly am wondering... and i REALLY don't mean offense to Aanyone..

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 4:03:39 PM   
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sheesh... errrr... NO offense to Aanyone!!!! ok... to my corner i now go

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 4:08:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

It's an important clarification to make for the people that are new to the boards. The "money rant" about femdoms scamming sub men is one that comes up here often.

What MstrssPassion is saying is that MOST (if not ALL) the femdoms that read and post here on the forums (ie, "this side" of the site) are NOT scammers for money. The scammers only take time to set up a profile or find their prey and email them and make contact, and are not generally spending time posting on forums discussing issues regarding having BDSM relationships.

So when subs come on here and complain about "money dommes" they are often "preaching to the choir".



I have to say that I agree, Akasha, but also want to point out that the OP did not originally mention the "Dommes" were "Professionals." If they are Pros...then of course they wanted money, as that's part of the point of them being Pros.

I'm sorry I responded to this thread. If there's a situation up for discussion, I enjoy making an informed response, and you can't do that, when pertinent information is withheld, or omitted.

The omission of this, in the original post, sort of changes things, as I see it.

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 4:26:21 PM   
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but why be a 'pro' Dom or Domme? does 'pro' simply mean they are paid... and i truly mean no disrespect to Aanyone... but isn't that a form of prostitution?
Some people say it is, some people say it isn't because there is no intercourse of oral, but that doesn't mean it isn't sexual in nature.

I think prostitution is more narrowly defined than the whole spectrum of wiitwd (BDSM). I personally am greatful that there are pros for those men (or women, though they are fewer) who wish to live out certain desires or fantasies without the inconveniences of courtship/dating rituals/relationship forming between available and consenting parties.
That's my $.02 worth, and welcome to the boards.. M

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 4:34:58 PM   
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I am guessing this was not the first time this young lady has done this. My dear, you are way too trusting and I will also take a wild guess you will think twice before you hand any money over

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 4:41:39 PM   
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The flaw in your logic, as I've stated before is theat the domme contacted me because of a post on this very message board. Some people just don't seem to want to accept that.

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Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 4:45:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic
but why be a 'pro' Dom or Domme? does 'pro' simply mean they are paid... and i truly mean no disrespect to Aanyone... but isn't that a form of prostitution? ok... i'm blunt... but truly am wondering... and i REALLY don't mean offense to Aanyone..


It depends on how you define sex. The vast majority of prodoms don't have intercourse with their clients. Many won't even allow the clients to masturbate during sessions.

If you define sex as "doing something to turn people on because of their fantasies and getting paid for it, then I guess, to you, I'm a prostitute. I write erotic stories.




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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 5:35:07 PM   
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i truly TRULY meant no disrespect... i simply didn't/don't understand the 'pro' aspect of this... again my sincerest apologzies if i overstep my bounds

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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 5:46:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

i truly TRULY meant no disrespect... i simply didn't/don't understand the 'pro' aspect of this... again my sincerest apologzies if i overstep my bounds


There aren't any bounds here so don't worry about overstepping them.

Just what don't you understand?

Basically, men (usually) pay women (usually) to tie them up, spank them, and do things that the men have fantasies about. The women are well paid per session, but it is a stressful occupation with a high burnout rate.

Ironicly, some of the most sought after professional "dominant" are actually submissive in their non-professional scene life. Many actually get turned on "serving" the men and catering to their fantasies.

It's part of the problem people have when relying on labels


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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 5:50:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren
If you define sex as "doing something to turn people on because of their fantasies and getting paid for it, then I guess, to you, I'm a prostitute. I write erotic stories.



big belly laugh...
ehem, You sure do Sir!
whispers, i hope You don't wear clear heels at the computer though ;)

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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 5:50:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

i truly TRULY meant no disrespect... i simply didn't/don't understand the 'pro' aspect of this... again my sincerest apologzies if i overstep my bounds


There aren't any bounds here so don't worry about overstepping them.

Just what don't you understand?

Basically, men (usually) pay women (usually) to tie them up, spank them, and do things that the men have fantasies about. The women are well paid per session, but it is a stressful occupation with a high burnout rate.

Ironicly, some of the most sought after professional "dominant" are actually submissive in their non-professional scene life. Many actually get turned on "serving" the men and catering to their fantasies.

It's part of the problem people have when relying on labels



thank You, Sir... ok can i be a 'pro' slave? LOL (j/k)

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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 5:53:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subversiveone


quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren
If you define sex as "doing something to turn people on because of their fantasies and getting paid for it, then I guess, to you, I'm a prostitute. I write erotic stories.



big belly laugh...
ehem, You sure do Sir!
whispers, i hope You don't wear clear heels at the computer though ;)


But the goldfish in the heels have died.


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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 5:54:47 PM   
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rofl, ever seen the hookers in Hawaii?

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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 5:55:14 PM   
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thank You, Sir... ok can i be a 'pro' slave? LOL (j/k)


We had some professional submissives. There was some demand but nothing like that for the professional dominants. A session with a submissive was a bit more expensive since the rule was there had to be a house dominant in attendance at all times.



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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 8:15:05 PM   
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If you define sex as "doing something to turn people on because of their fantasies and getting paid for it, then I guess, to you, I'm a prostitute. I write erotic stories.
Yes, but are you cheap? Because I would pay for some of that experience. M

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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 8:18:46 PM   
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Yes, but are you cheap? Because I would pay for some of that experience.


Loving Dominant $16.95
High Tech Toys $9.95
Murder at Roissy (sale) $5.00
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RE: Hookers was RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 8:22:46 PM   
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Loving Dominant $16.95
High Tech Toys $9.95
Murder at Roissy (sale) $5.00
Finding someone understands your fantasies Priceless
I already got the most expensive piece, thank you! Well minus someone who understands and I'm attracted to, but I am working on that. Boo hoo. M

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 8:43:46 PM   
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here is a tale that's true. It happened today in fact.

I met a domme on this site a few weeks ago. We talked and arranged to meet last Friday. Two days before the meeting she told me she was having trouble making her rent, so I offerd to help. I gave her $200 toward her rent. After lunch we went to a fetish store. She found a collar there she liked and told them to hold it for her. It was roughly $60. She saw a leather dress that was $175 and said she'd love to have it. I told her to have them hold that, and I would buy it for her this weekend. After I left her (she stayed at the store), I went home. When I got home, she informed me that she took the dress home with a promise to pay for it this week. I called the store personally on Monday, and they told me that paying them Saturday when I planned on seeing her again was no problem. Yesterday she told me that she called the store and they told her it had to be paid today.

Today she called me on the way back from the fetish store from her car, and said she just left. She said she gave them a check that she can't cover, so I had to have the money to her on Saturday.

She knew from our first conversation that I am seeking a LTR 24/7 relationship with a domme. She's 17 years my junior. In passing today she mentioned to me that she's decided to take a clerk at the store as her sex sub, and when could I be there Saturday, or wire her the money for both the dress and the collar. Believe it or not folks, this is the second time in less than two months that a domme has tried to hustle me. Am I nuts, or are all dommes here like this?


Tried to hustle you? I'd say she did a pretty effective job of it.

You say she's 17 years your junior as if that's supposed to garner some sympathy. Forget about it.

Since when is it your job to buy things for someone you just met, Domme or not? P.T. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every day." I think he was talking about you.

If you are really a submissive, and seeking a Domme, do your homework. Establish some kind of relationship before you start shelling out money on someone who's willing to take a grocery clerk as her 'sex sub.' If I ever met a Dominant who asked me to be his 'sex sub' I'd die on the floor laughing. Sex is easy....power exchange is the hard part.

Look, I'm not busting on you just for the sake of it; You have an opportunity to learn and grow here. Hike up the 'big boy' pants, and go find yourself a women who's got it together, isn't some manipulator disguising herself as a Domme, and find someone real.

You might do yourself a real favor by asking a few questions like:
Are you known in the local scene? Do you have contacts?
Have you been to the local munch?
Have you ever owned a submissive and if so, may I have a reference?
How long have you been a practicing Domme?
Do you belong to the local organization?

You get the drift here. Anyone can say they are a Dominant; con people say they are something that they aren't every day. And unfortunately there are an awful lot of con people running around in other people's shoes.

This isn't about what she did to you; this is all about how you didn't protect yourself against someone who wanted to take advantage of you. Submissive does not equate doormat.

Lily

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RE: typical domme? - 9/29/2005 9:01:01 PM   
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Some people say it is, some people say it isn't because there is no intercourse of oral, but that doesn't mean it isn't sexual in nature.


Nor does it mean it is.

Just because someone's getting turned on by a certain activity does not mean that there's sex involved. I've gotten turned on by a nice ass in a tight pair of jeans walking in front of me on the street, and if because I was wet it meant it was sex, I would have had more sex partners than I think I can count....

I think there are some Pro-Dommes who are actually crossing the line into prostitution. But I also think it's irresponsible to say that just because someone's taking money in exchange for a session, that it's prostitution. It's a service not all that unlike other services that we get, because we can't do something ourselves or it's not as enjoyable. Who wants to cut their own hair? Who wants to wax their own legs? Who wants to flog themselves?

There are any number of reasons why submissive men use the services of Professional Dommes. And rarely is it to get laid. For men who are submissive who for what ever reason are using the services of a Professional Domme, getting laid isn't the problem. Getting their needs met from a fetish perspective is.

My 2 cents,
Lily



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