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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 6:27:44 PM   
Smith117


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Obama need not have the majority already. I already support him regardless.


You don't support him at all.



And you know this how exactly? It would certainly seem to me that I do. I've been watching his campaign with great interest and I have already stated my position on voting for him repeatedly. How *exactly* do you get that I don't support him?

As a matter of fact, I've already done more for him than I ever would have simply by voting. I have actively corrected the misguided notions of friends, family and those I meet on these boards who believe the lies being told about him. I refer them to websites detailing the rumors and then outling what is true and what is not.

How *EXACTLY* do I *not* support him? I'm just dying to know.


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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 6:33:14 PM   
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And you know this how exactly? It would certainly seem to me that I do. I've been watching his campaign with great interest and I have already stated my position on voting for him repeatedly. How *exactly* do you get that I don't support him?


Your habit of not voting says it all.  You don't support the process, therefore you don't support any candidate in the process.

You don't support Obama.  You don't support McCain.  You don't support Clinton.  You don't support any candidate currently running for President.  I can say this because your own words demonstrate you do not support the electoral process.  That, my dear sir, is the beginning, middle, and end of the discussion.

Here endeth the lesson.


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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 6:40:17 PM   
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Your habit of not voting says it all.  You don't support the process, therefore you don't support any candidate in the process.



Wow....just....wow. I've never met a man who had the logical and reasoning abilities of a woman. This is just about the most asinine comment I've seen today, congratulations.

I do, in fact, support the process. It's because of that support that I refuse to choose the lesser of two evils. Choosing not to vote, or voting "none of the above" is as much a support for the process as anything. In fact, if EVERYONE refused to choose between two sucky candidates, just once, perhaps it might send a message that we are not going to be fooled by the same rhetoric any longer and it just might result in one day getting candidates that are worth a damn. It may not be neccessary, though, since we already have one now, in Obama.

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Here endeth the lesson.



You call it a lesson? I would agree with you if the lesson were idiocy and blind support for those who do not deserve the office of the president of the united states. Because THAT is all I have heard from you. You don't care who is available, you will vote in an idiot or a liar, regardless.

I will not. I expect my government to actually be something I can support, not something that leaves me with only garbage to choose between. You seem content to vote for garbage, and thus, here we are today. People bitching for 8 years that bush was going to destroy the world.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 6:51:35 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 6:59:12 PM   
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As I said, I chose not to vote for those I cannot support.


Correction, you will only vote when your  preferred candidate already has a majority in his favor.

Kudos on rendering your vote irrelevant.



Wow,  you certainly take the illiteracy award today.

I said exactly what I meant. Obama need not have the majority already. I already support him regardless. However, if he doesn't get the nomination, I can't very well vote for him now can I?

Several other presidents had the majority and I didn't vote for them either. I didn't vote for them because I did not support them. I did not vote against them because I did not support those running against them either. I refuse to pick someone simple because they suck less. Period.

You like to vote for those who are not fit for the job because they 'suck less' than the other one....I do not.



Bold emphasis Mine...
Yes, you can vote for Obama even if he is not on the ballot.  It's called a "write-in".  Not as easy as pulling a lever or drawing a line, I admit, but I'm still provided a writing implement and a line on which to write the name.  
If you consider that wasting your vote or your time, then that is very sad. 
I know My preferred candidate is not going to win.  But I'm not holding My nose, yet again, when I walk into the voting booth.  The answer is not to stay home.  I will vote as it is My right, My privilege and, IMO, My duty as an American citizen. 
Too many people assume that they can only vote for the names officially on the ballot.  Not so...
I'm still waiting for Mickey Mouse to take the Oath of Office. 

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:23:19 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:28:45 PM   
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Never had *my* president do something stupid during his term and never had anyone make fun of *my* president. Can you say the same?



       This is the attitude we need to root out and destroy with fire and corrosive chemicals.  Nixon was my president, just as much as LBJ, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or Bush I & II.  Before I am a D, R, L, or I, I am an American.  This isn't a football game.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:30:16 PM   
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Mickey has never made an honest woman of minnie  HE HAS NO CHANCE  your not going to get a bachelor elected Pres. silly girl


*Gasp*  Are you telling Me that Minnie is not a virgin?  They have done the dirty?  Oh My! 
Psst...I heard they were gay! 

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:31:34 PM   
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Never had *my* president do something stupid during his term and never had anyone make fun of *my* president. Can you say the same?



      This is the attitude we need to root out and destroy with fire and corrosive chemicals.  Nixon was my president, just as much as LBJ, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or Bush I & II.  Before I am a D, R, L, or I, I am an American.  This isn't a football game.




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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:32:06 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:33:32 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:35:24 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:48:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Mickey has never made an honest woman of minnie  HE HAS NO CHANCE  your not going to get a bachelor elected Pres. silly girl


*Gasp*  Are you telling Me that Minnie is not a virgin?  They have done the dirty?  Oh My! 
Psst...I heard they were gay! 


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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:49:05 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:50:31 PM   
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By the way that Franklin quote would have come in handy when the Patriot Act was shoved through.....


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Here are a few more or My favorites from Ben.
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When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

Where liberty dwells, there is my country.

God grant that not only the love of liberty but a thorough knowledge of the rights of man may pervade all the nations of the earth, so that a philosopher may set his foot anywhere on its surface and say: This is my country.

He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas.
 
Never confuse motion with action.  This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.

Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame.

Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.

Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.

...a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles...is absolutely necessary to preserve the blessings of liberty and keep a government free.

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Yes, he mentions God a few times, doesn't he? 
 
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:54:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity i dont think spreading rumors like that is cool .people/mice get hurt behind that shit

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:55:24 PM   
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Hey smitty "logical and reasoning abilities of a woman"so does that explain why you can't vote for Clinton a total disregard for females...smooth.....


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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 7:58:55 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 8:01:55 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 8:05:04 PM   
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Never had *my* president do something stupid during his term and never had anyone make fun of *my* president. Can you say the same?



This is the attitude we need to root out and destroy with fire and corrosive chemicals. Nixon was my president, just as much as LBJ, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or Bush I & II. Before I am a D, R, L, or I, I am an American. This isn't a football game.


Agreed

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