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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 8:18:12 PM

KenDckey

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From the time I turned of age until I retired from the Army, I never voted. I wouldn't vote on local issues because I was far away from home. I wouldn't vote for congressional leaders or President because I didn't feel it right to determine who your boss would be. But, except for this last primary election, where I was ill and contagious, I have voted in every election. I personally believe that voting is not only a right, but a necessity. Without voting, you are doomed to the selectons of others, without regard to your beliefs. To me those that do not vote, have no room for complaint because their voice wasn't counted in the first palce. To me,it makes no difference whether the candidtate we support wins or loses, by how much or whatever, I know of no candidate for office that I have ever completely agreed with in all things. And those things the office holder does that I disagree with I will voice that disagrement. I do encourange you all to go out and vote. To make your voice heard.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:24:17 PM

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General ...

I'm fine with people that don't want to vote. I wish a lot less would vote. I wish you had to answer ten simple questions about the candidate you vote for, and if you miss a question ... sorry, your vote doesn't count. There is a PoliSci prof., here at Rice, that had his students do a multiple choice survey of ten-thousand Houstonians, right after the last Presidential election. Right around thirty percent indicated that they voted against Senator Kerry, because he was married to Hillary Clinton.

Speaking of Senator Clinton ... of course she shouldn't step aside. Senator Obama is showing both flaws and weaknesses, on top of the obvious weakness of mostly winning in states the Republicans are likely to win in the general election. For those that discount the supers ... well, they are part of the process, period. Neither candidate is likely to reach the magic number. They will both need supers.

As far as the good of the party, and breaking the party apart ... you know, if our party is that fragile, then maybe it deserves to be broken. I myself, don't see it that way. It think there will be an inevitable kiss and make up love in ... and the media will spend two weeks crowing about how wonder it is that candidate x threw their support behind candidate y.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:20:44 AM

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Never had *my* president do something stupid during his term and never had anyone make fun of *my* president. Can you say the same?

This is the attitude we need to root out and destroy with fire and corrosive chemicals. Nixon was my president, just as much as LBJ, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or Bush I & II. Before I am a D, R, L, or I, I am an American. This isn't a football game.

Sorry, but I don't blindly support anyone who I don't deem worthy of support. If you do, I consider that to be sad. Our leaders should be supported when they do good by us, and definitely questioned and called on the carpet when they do bad. A president that makes moronic decisions and does nothing but make moves that perpetuate the world's view of us is definitely not going to get my support.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:25:40 AM

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Hey smitty "logical and reasoning abilities of a woman"so does that explain why you can't vote for Clinton a total disregard for females...smooth.....

Exactly.

Though that's only part of my dislike for her. She's an outright gash and has proven it on numerous occasions. Take, for example, the time she called Obama a liar because his capaign mailer was spreading lies about her campaign stance. Yet the very day BEFORE she brought this up, they had a debate here in Texas. And the mailer, according to what I read about it, said word-for-word EXACTLY what came out of her own mouth on my TV. If she now accuses him of lying because he quoted her, that's pathetic.

Furthermore, during said debate here in Texas, she repeatedly showed no respect for the debate. She often blatantly ignored questions that were asked of her either because she would rather go back and further argue an old point from an old question (just to have the last word - again pathetic) or because she flat out had no real answer for the question she was asked. I saw the debate and SEVERAL times when they asked her a question, I'd hear her reply and I'd be like "That was not what they asked you, idiot. Try answering the fucking question."

She did that all night. And then accused Obama of lying the next day with the information in his mailer that came straight from her mouth.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 5:55:07 AM

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if the Dems were in charge now and for the last oh let's say 10 years,the Reps would be fighting everything as well to gain control.

it's campaings like this that through the years dicourage people from going out and voting,every election is rigged one way or another,a group of people one way or another will feel left out in the cold come real election day.

people drop out of races at any and every point.perosnally i dont care who backs who,who sides with who to get them into the golden seat.

if she drops out she drop out,Obama could decide to drop,McCain could drop,anyone could drop,if one of em was purple with pink polka dots they could drop out,.

to me in the long run it isn't about gender,it isn't about color of the skin,religious background,sexual orientation. what it comes down to for me is,is the person in the oval office sane or psychotic.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 6:05:26 AM

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smith117 i concede the point you have made the right decision not to vote .Please keep up the good work...

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 7:21:02 AM

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The battle has taken on Biblical proportions. James Carville is comparing Richardson's endorsement to Judas.

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The reaction of some of Mr. Clinton’s allies suggests that might have been a wise decision. “An act of betrayal,” said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.
“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/politics/22richardson.html?_r=2&ei=5090&en=31393242dd61f808&ex=1363924800&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1206281304-Ac/DJVrR4fk7ZXueZrCuJA

While the Obama side brings up the secular betrayal sinner, Joe McCarthy:

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Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign is trying to clarify comments by former President Clinton that seemed to question Barack Obama's patriotism - comments an Obama aide likened to Joseph McCarthy. Source: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080322/D8VIBPN00.html

The 'make up' sex should be amazing!

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 8:22:36 AM

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And this is why we have a system of checks and balances, Smith, up to and including a prescribed method of removing an incompetent/crook from office. That would involve "your" elected representatives in Congress. Can you even name all three of them without Googling?

The Constitution doesn't have any provision for a Heckler's Veto, though. Feel free to snivel all you want. That is guaranteed by your Bill of Rights.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 10:28:12 AM

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 1:38:09 PM

Smith117

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smith117 i concede the point you have made the right decision not to vote .Please keep up the good work...

I believe I've already said that. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two lousy choices. I do, however, plan to vote this year. Deal with it.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 1:40:03 PM

Smith117

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The Constitution doesn't have any provision for a Heckler's Veto, though. Feel free to snivel all you want. That is guaranteed by your Bill of Rights.

Funny, that's all I have ever heard anyone do. I've heard people bitching for the last 8 years about bush, and where's that gotten them? He's not impeached, he's not removed from office, but then of course the world isn't destroyed either, as they claimed it would be.

Funny how for all the 'sniveling' I hear....nothing ever really changes.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 2:44:11 PM

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It is a new day I will give it one more shot.Smith117 you seem to be making the point that your vote is too valuble to waste on a flawed candidate...cool.The problem is a vote's only value is in it's use,keeping one in your pocket no matter the reason makes your vote worthless, there's no way around it..worthless!.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 2:59:58 PM

Smith117

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It is a new day I will give it one more shot.Smith117 you seem to be making the point that your vote is too valuble to waste on a flawed candidate...cool.The problem is a vote's only value is in it's use,keeping one in your pocket no matter the reason makes your vote worthless, there's no way around it..worthless!.

I wonder how you can bastardize what I said so much. You really do need to take a reading comprehension course. I never said "My vote was too valuable to waste." I said, once again, I will not vote for someone I do not want in office. If I want neither Candidate A nor Candidate B in office, I am not voting for either one.

Is that clear enough for you or do I need to find a simpler way to spell it out for you?

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:09:08 PM

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It is a new day I will give it one more shot.Smith117 you seem to be making the point that your vote is too valuble to waste on a flawed candidate...cool.The problem is a vote's only value is in it's use,keeping one in your pocket no matter the reason makes your vote worthless, there's no way around it..worthless!.

I wonder how you can bastardize what I said so much. You really do need to take a reading comprehension course. I never said "My vote was too valuable to waste." I said, once again, I will not vote for someone I do not want in office. If I want neither Candidate A nor Candidate B in office, I am not voting for either one.

Is that clear enough for you or do I need to find a simpler way to spell it out for you?

Actually, the value argument is a rather concise summation of your position. It very much is the simplification you desperately desire.

Still learning, I see....

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:11:11 PM

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And you know this how exactly? It would certainly seem to me that I do. I've been watching his campaign with great interest and I have already stated my position on voting for him repeatedly. How *exactly* do you get that I don't support him?

Your habit of not voting says it all. You don't support the process, therefore you don't support any candidate in the process.

You don't support Obama. You don't support McCain. You don't support Clinton. You don't support any candidate currently running for President. I can say this because your own words demonstrate you do not support the electoral process. That, my dear sir, is the beginning, middle, and end of the discussion.

Here endeth the lesson.

Celtic sweetie.. did you not see the "Do Not Feed the Trolls" sign out front when you entered?

while amusing in passing... it is best for your blood pressure to know on any given topic he is the "Bouncing Betty" thrown in with the bunch just to queer up your day.

Smile and pat him on the head as you pass by.. it will make all of your lives much easier going.

This has been a public service annoucement.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:15:21 PM

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Celtic sweetie.. did you not see the "Do Not Feed the Trolls" sign out front when you entered?

while amusing in passing... it is best for your blood pressure to know on any given topic he is the "Bouncing Betty" thrown in with the bunch just to queer up your day.

Smile and pat him on the head as you pass by.. it will make all of your lives much easier going.

This has been a public service annoucement.

Gwyn

He's a troll? I thought he was the tune-up match for the beginning of this presidential election year.

Oh well....still a good workout.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:28:09 PM

Smith117

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Actually, the value argument is a rather concise summation of your position. It very much is the simplification you desperately desire.

Still learning, I see....

Apparently you see incorrectly as there is nothing you can teach me whatsoever.

Whether you call it a simplification or not doesn't take away from the fact that it's an out-right inaccuracy. I said I do not wish to waste my time. I further said I will not vote for someone I don't support. Apparently you both enjoy voting for people who are not fit for the job. I do not.

Apparently you're the one who's still learning. So here's a lesson for you: "Insanity - Performing the same action over and over again, expecting a different result."

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:29:49 PM

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He's a troll?

People still sporting a mullet and dressing like it's still 1973 should probably be wary of whom they call a troll.

You may consider that lesson 2. Or do I need to grunt and say "ooh-rah" for you to understand?

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:30:59 PM

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Apparently you see incorrectly as there is nothing you can teach me whatsoever.

Whether you call it a simplification or not doesn't take away from the fact that it's an out-right inaccuracy. I said I do not wish to waste my time. I further said I will not vote for someone I don't support. Apparently you both enjoy voting for people who are not fit for the job. I do not.

Apparently you're the one who's still learning. So here's a lesson for you: "Insanity - Performing the same action over and over again, expecting a different result."

Skillful means. When your anger subsides you may understand.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/23/2008 3:34:26 PM

Smith117

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Skillful means. When your anger subsides you may understand.

Yeah, I'll just file this under "Things I learned from a marine"

Oh wait....that file doesn't exist.

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