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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 10:31:01 PM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: GiantSteps
Just because information exists doesn't mean that information is readily available. The next time you need to understand some quirk in your employers health insurance, see what calasthentics need to be carried out to get that information nailed down. Does CM need to be an information asset? Nope. It just seemed to me that it would want to be. That expectatation was in error.



This information is readily available. I went up the top right hand corner of this webpage, clicked "search" and typed in the words "safety tips". I got a *lot* of threads, but I felt like narrowing it down. So I added the word "meeting" to the end and what do you know? A lot of threads about meeting people off the internet and safety tips on how to do it. Just to further test my theory, I went over to google and searched for "safety tips internet dating".

On the first page of results: http://www.onlinedatingmagazine.com/features/onlinedatingsafetytips.html

http://ldssinglesnetwork.com/info/tips/safety.php

http://www.datingrev.com/safety.htm

Even a nice list for bisexual/lesbian teens! http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/youth/tp/TeenDatingSafe.htm

And those are just the first four from a basic google search that took me.... less than five minutes. No fancy phrases, no complex wording - this information is very easy to get.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 10:34:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) It's the technological age, AS - unless they're using pre-millenial boards, it takes less than an hour to set up a new board; at my last company, we'd open a new board every time a news story broke.As for a rotating FAQ system, it can be programmed to repeat posts on a regular basis. Been there, done that in spades. Set it and forget it. Beyond setting up the board and programming the frolling FAQ posts, everything comes down to input from members, which is transparent to the mods.

2) It doesn't limit to main boards, nor the variety of answers. Nobodys locked out of any boards at all. The difference being that in the newbie board, folks don't have to approach feeling like they're entering into the chamber of the Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz; and the vet posters might find they have more opportunities than ever in answering a more diverse set of questions, because they're getting influx from a previously silent segment of the readership.

3) Nobody defines "newbie." The idea is not to set some limit, some definition of who or how long is newbie, simply to give folks who might feel otherwise nervous or hesitant to post on what I see as veteran boards a place where they feel comfortable in posting. I don't do edgeplay - if I were curious about getting into it, but I was afraid of sounding like a schmuck in front of the edge gurus, I - with all my years of experience behind me - would be looking for some place to post that didn't make me feel like Gomer Pyle in a room full of Einsteins.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 10:40:42 PM   
AquaticSub


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Status: offline 		Takes less than hour for people who aren't paid, is an extra board to moniter and set up rules for. As for rotating posts, the point is that people too lazy to search won't look back a couple of days either. Unless it is on the front page, they will keep making new ones. It's a waste of code.

Not being locked out of boards doesn't have anything to do with it. You haven't been on the boards much and I believe you said that you don't have much experience with forums. People go where their focus is and seperating those questions from the general channel will mean that less people will respond.

Making a newbie board won't protect a newbie from the edge players who would make fun of them either. The edge players could still come in and mock them - if the mods don't have the time to weed that out now, they won't then either. And there would have to be a time limit on newbie. You said yourself, you expect better from people who have been around the block and had no problem insulting them. There has to be some sort of cutoff point where you stop wrapping them up in wool.

BTW, have you bothered searching the for the old threads on this topic?

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 10:47:12 PM   
GiantSteps


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Status: offline 		Any aspect of play has infinitite variations on questions - Chuck "Breath Play" into the search and which one is going to cover my question about drowning scenarios. Might be in there somewhere. Mostly I'm getting watersports.

But beyond that - especially since I can't figure too many newbies are itching to try waterboarding - people generally would rather ask a question to somebody that can answer it rather than to go out digging for the answer in archives. That's why they stick all those sales associates in the aisles of Best Buy.

Absolutely granted, it's a luxury - but from a tech side its no sweat, and unless the board game has changed that much, there's never a shortage of opinions available once somebody raises the question. The people that are tired of answering don't go to the newbie board, and the folks who have come up recently are thrilled to share.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 10:50:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GiantSteps

First out - aikisha: USENET Alt.Bondage - not WWW.Alt.com. You should research the difference. You're kinda lazy aintcha? Not my problem to educate ya.. See - I'll fit right in here, now that I get the culture.

Bound2One, the concept of community is you look out for one another. It isn't your responsibility to call the fire department if you see your neighbor's house on fire, either. It depends on your sense of a responsibility that extends past your own doorstep.I was solid with the fact that there are folks here were so uninterested in community - what lit the short fuse is that in suggesting we call the fire department, I started getting brickbatted as an arsonist.

++Addendum++
The claim here is that newbies should research, then post additional questions, then they acceptable fodder for informing. I just ran a check on the background of most of the posters on the front of this board demographically -

Slave Training Plan
OP - Posts: 3642

What's your first reaction?
OP -  Been through D/s, now living 24/7 in a kink relationship

BDSM w/o sex. Would you?
OP - Posts: 2222

Sex? or not? My 2 cents...
OP - "Former Pro Dominatrix, now retired"

How seriously do you answer
OP - Posts: 2927

>>> M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other?
>>> OP - Posts: 29

Taming of Shrews
Posts: 1614

>>>Lookin for an informative Daddy/Daughter article...
>>>OP - Posts: 2

My thoughts on Kink vs D/s
OP - "I came to D/s some 9 years ago"

boundaries
OP - "i've played for a number of years, but only with friends or at play parties"

Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign?
OP - Posts: 6034


Unless you've only brought in 2 newbies in the past month, the distribution here is skewed. If I were a newbie, I'd be hesitant to stick my dumb nose into this venue for fear of getting it chewed off too.


Excuse Me.  Since you brought the posters from the front of the page of the board into it, and Myself being one of them, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind a bit of a question?

Out of those 2,927 posts, how do you have a clue of how many of them were or were not spent giving advice, answering basic questions, even chastising people for making those 'newbie' mistakes and telling people how lucky they were to be alive?  No, I'm not saying all of them were, or even most of them, but they are certainly in there. 

Yes, I have been known to get a bit tired of the same repetitive questions that hit the boards sometimes.  The sub vrs slave debates and such get old at times, and I'll even go so far as to say that I've answered such questions, at times, obviously when I was having a bad day.  Shoot Me.

Still, when folks post things on the boards about safety issues, I can promise you that I've seen many of the regular posters here on these boards give excellent advice on how people can protect themselves, what precautions they suggest, and more.  Most times, the majority of them have more patience than I do.  You see, I'm more the type to tell a person that what they did was stupid, but I'm glad that they lived to tell about it.  It may not especially be nice, but it happens to be the truth.

So, before you make judgments on how some of the regular posters here don't have concern for others, how about you see how often they show up on threads that are based in helping people protect themselves?


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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 10:52:30 PM   
AquaticSub


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Status: offline 		Personally, I think the newbies are better off posting their questions in the same forums that the seasoned vets read instead of relying on the recently graduated from the newbie ranks. They will also get more information searching through old threads on the same topic and may get some really great gem of advice from a person who doesn't post anymore.

I really think making this forum would hinder them, not help.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 10:57:12 PM   
GiantSteps


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Status: offline 		To tell you the truth, AS, this particular subject was finished back on post #9:

"The question not asked and just noticed... "Or unmanned by the newbies?" I just noticed that I haven't seen anybody come racing in from the hinterlands suggesting that it would be just what they're looking for... Hmm. Could well be I'm tilting at windmills again, folks. Consider me reconsidering the wisdom of the idea."

The thing didn't die at that point, and when I came in later, suddenly the reason I had put it up in the first place was because I wanted to troll newbies for easy meat. That threw me back defending the concept for the concepts sake, walked away and then again in post 68, there I was twirling my moustachios because I was the Evil Newbie Stalker... which brought me in again to defend the damn thing I had tossed out quite amiably a day earlier. If everybody would just stop casting me as something nefarious, we could kill this stupid thing and call it square.



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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:01:11 PM   
SailingBum


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Status: offline 		uh giant make up your mind.  First you say it's a great idea.   a couple post later it's a bad idea.  Now your defending your GOOD/ BAD idea.  Make up my mind for me would ya.  I'm just so confused

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:01:40 PM   
GiantSteps


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Status: offline 		It's not a question of the topic of your posts, LadyP - the point is solely that someone comes in and sees all these heavyhitters posing questions beyond their ken and get to feeling a little insubstantial. That was the point of that rundown - to show what the newbies see when they come in, and how it may daunt them to speak freely. There was no inference about the quality or subject of past posts implied.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:06:10 PM   
GiantSteps


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Status: offline 		Personally, I think it is a good idea, SB - I will continue to think so years after I leave this board. As I told you in post #11, I am a notorious mother hen, and that's just hardwired. The fact is, if things had just been left where you and I tied it down two days ago, we wouldn't still be running around Robin Hoods barn with it.

I doubt if you were accused of nefarious motive in an OP of your own, you would not come back and defend your reasoning and your honor.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:10:12 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I can promise you that it is not the responsibility of any person on CM for any feelings of insignificance by anyone else.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:14:33 PM   
Maya2001


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One question though, Maya - and it's a sincere one: I've read in the last several days advice on several aspects of play, including how to go about using a bullwhip. If the poster takes the advice offered, and moves the tissue paper without breaking it 45 times out of fifty, then gets to a RT, gets his juices running and rips his sub open from shoulder to coxxyx, are we ponying up that 2.4 million still? If your argument is valid, how should this affect CM throughout the boards?


The difference is how it is presented ,   as things are set up here currently it is an advice forum  CM is not not taking responsibility of advice given by  individual posters we each have to sort thru what is given as advice  using the common sense to determine which advice sounds most logical   or which fits our needs best.

What you were presenting for the newbies is a class or training program  which would require endorsement  from CM  inorder to have on their site,   that is were liability comes into play because it is now being presented as professional advice/services.


when a newbie posts asking should they do this or that    recent example in Ask a Submissive   Should I give up my Limits(or wording similiar)   members here responded  giving their views and  the why, she was provided with several responses and then took that info back to her Dom to work out, there are many newbies that visit may not ask  questions or offer input  but they are reading current post like that one  they may not currently be in a D/s relationship right now but they are now armed with extra information should the same situation crop up for them,   so they gained something valuble from CM,     Like other posted this topic also pops up frequently  if a newbie sub is reading ,  there is valuable info contained in this post  about learning to use common sense, and have learned  playing on first meets is not good, so even a post such as this one becomes an education tool for them and saves the need for them to ask a question, there are a lot posts here that go off on tangents or where people posting talking about ther experiences and mistake they make  that do not fall under title such how to have a safe first meet.
My first couple months here I rarely made comments to any posts and maybe asked one question, but I was reading the forums and learning in the process and if some topic confused me or  I was having trouble with certain terminologies      I turned to my friend google and looked things up, eventually I started getting a good collection of websites  filled with resources.

Another issue  where problems arise  with the idea of  course for newbies  and saying the is the one true way of doing things 
Your may have a new sub join CM but she is already involved with Dom  and maybe things were done correctly according to your way of doing   but it is still a good relationship and theire is a good level of trust,  She joins in this course, and now she gets told  well this is the way things should be done ...  as in having safe words and the meet should have occured in  such and such a way and you should not let this  dom top you until you have been dating for a minimum of 6 weeks in etc..etc, but that what not how her relationship started  and now she starts worrying and starts questioning is her dom a real dom?  and the trust that she had for him  now crumbling away  and her good relationship then falls apart  because  she thinks her dom made several terrible mistakes.   It is also not going to work for male subs who seek out pro Dommes, and even become a problem for them seek non  pros because the play tends to be different for male subs and femal sub and it os not just the male and female divisions,  the rules tend to differ for gorean,  slave , submissive and service bottom, the one cookie cutter  style training program simply swill not fit all

(if what I wrote is a bit screwy disjointed ... I have been nodding off asleep while trying to finish,    so apologize now in advance... and heading to bed for much needed sleep)












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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:15:33 PM   
GiantSteps


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Status: offline 		That's true, Lady P - however, insignificance can be a byproduct nevertheless. There is no fault in prodigious posting - I tend to get overactive myself. The question was whether or not that feeling of insignificance could or should be mitigated. Simply and solely.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:16:29 PM   
SailingBum


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ORIGINAL: GiantSteps


I reconsidered, decided it was a bad suggestion, and recanted. On the board. Any other opinions are opinions, as valid as any other. However, this is the first of these who accused me of ulterior motives, sullying my rep.I've been extremely reasonable about this all around, but I draw the line when somebody calls into question my motives.



I can understand trying to "explain" not "defend" your post.  I must admit I have no clue which side of the fence your on.  As it seems to change with the tide.

BadOne

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:21:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reading back, Maya, that conception is my fault - I have a tendency to write in a rather (and probably overly-)breezy manner, and I can see where reading it in a literal sense I was suggesting something it wasn't intended to be. Once again, having discussed the idea out in nine posts, I didn't see any need to further clarify the concept until I came back and found out that a Frankensteins Monster had arisen, and the torches and pitchforks were surrounding the tower. 

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:21:51 PM   
SailingBum


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The difference is how it is presented ,   as things are set up here currently it is an advice forum  CM is not not taking responsibility of advice given by  individual posters we each have to sort thru what is given as advice  using the common sense to determine which advice sounds most logical   or which fits our needs best.

What you were presenting for the newbies is a class or training program  which would require endorsement  from CM  inorder to have on their site,   that is were liability comes into play because it is now being presented as professional advice/services.





To clear up this concept  Professional services means you pay for it so there is not a liability issue.

BadOne

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:22:07 PM   
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I doubt if you were accused of nefarious motive in an OP of your own, you would not come back and defend your reasoning and your honor.


Nobody actually accused you of that. It was pointed out that a newbie forum or group could be very easily turned into a hunting ground. If you want to help newbies, you can have to realize that this is simply a fact and not take it personally.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:23:53 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		In that case, I would have to say no.  This is, in the end, and adult site.  What I gain from that is that the people here should be adults and responsible for themselves and their actions.

Believe it or not, CM is certainly no more intimidating than where any one of us started exploring our interests.  We can't cushion anyone's entry into the lifestyle.  It might be an odd statement for a BDSM site, but none of us have that kind of power over people we have never met. 

Now, like Maya, I'm off for sleep.


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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:36:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's no tide to change - I believe it would be a good idea - still do, always will.. Talk to me in ten years after I've adjusted my dentures and I'd still believe it's a good idea.At the same time, there's something to be said for pragmatism.

That it wasn't going to fly became quickly obvious, and so I amiably walked away from it. So I said "You're right." I would have stayed walked away, had things not gotten personal. At that point, I dropped the pretense that I agreed it was a bad idea, and came back swinging for round two. And so on and so on.

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RE: SUGGESTION - Newbie Boot camp - 3/26/2008 11:45:53 PM   
GiantSteps


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Status: offline 		AS - I dunno; I could go back through volumes to grab the other refs, but " it sounded like you were trying to white-knight your way into some newbie panties" sounds pretty cut-and-dryed to me. And that's where this last round of back-and forth started.

I don't mind ditching a concept, but to have the idea floating around that I'm doing the very thing I find villianously repugnant is just going to wind me back up again. If you could imagine someone suggesting you were out to molest children, that's about where my explosive ire begins on this subject.



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