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discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 12:30:01 PM   
misskittyslave


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Status: offline 		i have been innundated lately with several submissives who have been facing a similar problem they often come to me for advice as they know that i care for O/one and A/all

i feel that sometimes george orwell said it best power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely in a BDSM relationship however it is a dominants responsability to become untouchable by corruption. How i ask can a someone serve if thier needs are not met? how can a submissive give a dominant their desire if they have not the basics necessities of life first.

it is like asking a starving homeless person to feed you a banquet but ordering them to not eat instructing them to fluff your pillows when they are exposed to the rawest of elements unsheltered and disgarded.

submissives lose thier way i find often when their basic needs are unfilfilled.

a submissive offers their gift to a dominant out of love and trust that they will be taken care of emotionally and physically what besat on this planet would not wander or search for a greener pasture if they were being starved to death?

surrender can only come i believe if it is earned by the dominant.

i encourage submissives to give without limit of themselves to thier owners but thier owners MUST be worthy of such surrender else they should look for a safe haven where they can have the basic essentials of life met...

yes punishments should be unleasant BUT they should NEVER be abusive...i do not understand why , if a dominat finds that they are not able or willing to provide to their slave the level of care required for whatever reason, the do not let them go before they are damaged.

if a dominant harbors resentment towards a submissive and cannot instruct and guide correctly because of their errors then it beomes obviious there is a breakdown in a relationship and it is better to move along than to hold on and inflict damage.

my Master in the pst has had to give me long term punishments but even while being punished i always felt loved and safe. i always felt wanted on some level. i aways felt that while i was learning my needs were met even if it was painful i knew He would do no harm to me...i gues that is why i wrote this journal entry today....

let me shelter you and keep you safe...let me guide you and show you that you are loved and cherished....feed upon the knowledge in my care no harm will befall youit is my belief that when a dominant provides nourishment to a slave/submissives soul he/she will flourish and without it shall wilt and die how can one serve if not taken care of? how can one give if it hasnt anything left to offer...it is a poor excuse for a dominant to not ensure thier submissives well being emotionally and physically for one cannot give towards anothers wants if thier needs have not yet been met.i encourage submissives think long and hard about this. i was taught by Master M that dominance comes from a place of trust and respect it must be earned to break a submissives will is abuse... to break-through to their heart and have them surrender with joy is what a real dominant aspires to
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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 12:40:44 PM   
ownedjulia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: misskittyslave

i have been innundated lately with several submissives who have been facing a similar problem they often come to me for advice as they know that i care for O/one and A/all

i feel that sometimes george orwell said it best power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely in a BDSM relationship however it is a dominants responsability to become untouchable by corruption. How i ask can a someone serve if thier needs are not met? how can a submissive give a dominant their desire if they have not the basics necessities of life first.

it is like asking a starving homeless person to feed you a banquet but ordering them to not eat instructing them to fluff your pillows when they are exposed to the rawest of elements unsheltered and disgarded.

submissives lose thier way i find often when their basic needs are unfilfilled.

a submissive offers their gift to a dominant out of love and trust that they will be taken care of emotionally and physically what besat on this planet would not wander or search for a greener pasture if they were being starved to death?

surrender can only come i believe if it is earned by the dominant.

i encourage submissives to give without limit of themselves to thier owners but thier owners MUST be worthy of such surrender else they should look for a safe haven where they can have the basic essentials of life met...

yes punishments should be unleasant BUT they should NEVER be abusive...i do not understand why , if a dominat finds that they are not able or willing to provide to their slave the level of care required for whatever reason, the do not let them go before they are damaged.

if a dominant harbors resentment towards a submissive and cannot instruct and guide correctly because of their errors then it beomes obviious there is a breakdown in a relationship and it is better to move along than to hold on and inflict damage.

my Master in the pst has had to give me long term punishments but even while being punished i always felt loved and safe. i always felt wanted on some level. i aways felt that while i was learning my needs were met even if it was painful i knew He would do no harm to me...i gues that is why i wrote this journal entry today....

let me shelter you and keep you safe...let me guide you and show you that you are loved and cherished....feed upon the knowledge in my care no harm will befall youit is my belief that when a dominant provides nourishment to a slave/submissives soul he/she will flourish and without it shall wilt and die how can one serve if not taken care of? how can one give if it hasnt anything left to offer...it is a poor excuse for a dominant to not ensure thier submissives well being emotionally and physically for one cannot give towards anothers wants if thier needs have not yet been met.i encourage submissives think long and hard about this. i was taught by Master M that dominance comes from a place of trust and respect it must be earned to break a submissives will is abuse... to break-through to their heart and have them surrender with joy is what a real dominant aspires to



Absolutely and well said.

It took sometime for to give fully of myself to my Master, he is a sadist and belives in punishment.
Over the years I have come to enjoy the closeness of those moments even if I don't like the punishment itself.

There have been incidents where mistakes have occured, maybe i have moved and taken the cane or a slap in a worse than intended place and a few times we have discussed elements of a scene.

All of this has helped to build that bond up between us.

My slavery to him is about my obeying him and i can only do that because i trust him implictly. It took a while to get here but it was worth the trip.



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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 12:50:41 PM   
ProtagonistLily


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quote:

i have been innundated lately with several submissives who have been facing a similar problem they often come to me for advice as they know that i care for O/one and A/all

i feel that sometimes george orwell said it best power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely in a BDSM relationship however it is a dominants responsability to become untouchable by corruption. How i ask can a someone serve if thier needs are not met? how can a submissive give a dominant their desire if they have not the basics necessities of life first.


Actually, Lord Acton said "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". He was talking about Liberty, not power exchange relationships.

Friend of mine, a Dom, has a T-shirt that says "Power Corrupts. Absolute Power is kinda kinky"

I think that you need to define corruption before you make broad, sweeping generalizations about what a dom is responsible for and what they are not.

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it is like asking a starving homeless person to feed you a banquet but ordering them to not eat instructing them to fluff your pillows when they are exposed to the rawest of elements unsheltered and disgarded.


Unfortunately, I have NO idea what you are trying to say here.

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submissives lose thier way i find often when their basic needs are unfilfilled.

This statement assumes that all of our basic needs are the same. Are you talking strictly food, shelter, heat and sleep? Or are you deciding for the rest of us what our basic needs are simply because we identify as submissive?

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a submissive offers their gift to a dominant out of love and trust that they will be taken care of emotionally and physically what besat on this planet would not wander or search for a greener pasture if they were being starved to death?


My gift? I may vomit.

Your little fairy tale is not unlike ones I hear so often of the poor little subbie girl whose only desire is to serve the Dominant and have him take care of her every need. Get over it honey. The best submissives, the most appealing ones to Doms with their heads on straight are those who can support themselves, both practically and emotionally and actually have something to bring to the table. The little tale you paint rather nausiates me.

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surrender can only come i believe if it is earned by the dominant.


Sure, but you have a seriously heavy set of expectations for the Dominant and not much for the submissive. I've actually encountered more manipulative and abusive submissives than I have dominants. Again, I'm wondering where your data is coming from.

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i encourage submissives to give without limit of themselves to thier owners but thier owners MUST be worthy of such surrender else they should look for a safe haven where they can have the basic essentials of life met...


I would encourage you to use the capital 'I' when referring to yourself, submissive or not. Not doing so indicates a lack of self worth to me.

Again, nice fairy tale. In the practical world where people are actually functioning in a power exchange model of BDSM, there has to be some semblence of balance. Sir is absolutely worthy of surrender; but he also expects me to take care of myself practically and emotionally, expects me to continue to have a life that he's included in. My life didn't automatically become his life when I surrendered to him.

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yes punishments should be unleasant BUT they should NEVER be abusive...i do not understand why , if a dominat finds that they are not able or willing to provide to their slave the level of care required for whatever reason, the do not let them go before they are damaged.


I agree that punishment should never be abusive. But I find it uncanny that you have literally painted this picture of the submissive as unresponsible doormat and have the audacity to put the locus of responsibility solely on the Dominant.

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if a dominant harbors resentment towards a submissive and cannot instruct and guide correctly because of their errors then it beomes obviious there is a breakdown in a relationship and it is better to move along than to hold on and inflict damage.


I think it's important for me, as a submissive partner in a D/s relationship to ask myself "What is my part" when there is conflict. To automatically absolve myself of any transgression and point the finger at the 'resentful Dom' is a recipe for disaster.

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my Master in the pst has had to give me long term punishments but even while being punished i always felt loved and safe. i always felt wanted on some level. i aways felt that while i was learning my needs were met even if it was painful i knew He would do no harm to me...i gues that is why i wrote this journal entry today....


You were supposed to feel loved and safe during punishment. However, it's really our job at submissives to avoid punishment, at least that's how I operate. I'm all about the candy; I don't want to waste the time I have with Sir on stuff that's not fun, like punishment. Therefore it's my responsibility to follow the rules and meet his expectations.

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et me shelter you and keep you safe...let me guide you and show you that you are loved and cherished....feed upon the knowledge in my care no harm will befall youit is my belief that when a dominant provides nourishment to a slave/submissives soul he/she will flourish and without it shall wilt and die how can one serve if not taken care of? how can one give if it hasnt anything left to offer...it is a poor excuse for a dominant to not ensure thier submissives well being emotionally and physically for one cannot give towards anothers wants if thier needs have not yet been met.i encourage submissives think long and hard about this. i was taught by Master M that dominance comes from a place of trust and respect it must be earned to break a submissives will is abuse... to break-through to their heart and have them surrender with joy is what a real dominant aspires to


Huh?

Lily

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 12:54:20 PM   
ownedjulia


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Actually, Lord Acton said "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". He was talking about Liberty, not power exchange relationships.


Maybe but it works.



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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 12:56:23 PM   
ProtagonistLily


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quote:

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Actually, Lord Acton said "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". He was talking about Liberty, not power exchange relationships.



Maybe but it works.



But it's not accurately quoted. And the tennants behind what Lord Acton was talking about have nothing to do with relationships.

10-W-40 might work as a personal lubricant, but would you really want to use it???

Lily

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 1:11:17 PM   
thetammyjo


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Status: offline 		A good way to avoid abuse is to not allow oneself to become fully dependent on another for the basics of living -- food, clothing, shelter. It can be small steps but if you realize this is happening, give a part-time job or find external friends or make your own clothes, do something to get more power in your life.

I agree with ProtagonistLily that submissives must be responsible for their own basics of life, indeed they may need to contribute to the entire household in some fashion; most dominants are not independently wealthy in reality.

There is also, in my opinion, little value from someone who has turned over all their power to someone else.

I personally, don't want someone's power -- I want authority. My slave is a powerful man, he has a job, he has friends, he has family, etc. When he recognizes and follows my authority he does not give up or give me his power, he uses his power for me and for us.

I'm a bit confused over misskittyslave's intial post. The writing is very intense and emotional but I'm not sure what you are specifically talking about. Specific cases you know of or in general a compliant about abuse and folks who abuse or who continue to live with abuse? If you clarify, misskittyslave, I think it would help the discussion.

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 1:40:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

Friend of mine, a Dom, has a T-shirt that says "Power Corrupts. Absolute Power is kinda kinky"
Okay, where can I find that shirt? Master would love it.


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submissives lose thier way i find often when their basic needs are unfilfilled.

This statement assumes that all of our basic needs are the same. Are you talking strictly food, shelter, heat and sleep? Or are you deciding for the rest of us what our basic needs are simply because we identify as submissive?
All of our needs are different....This is what the negotiation BEFORE the contract or collar is for. Sheesh, people take some responsibility for your own happiness and define what you need from your relationship. That person is your Dominant, not a psychic. They don't know your needs unless it is laid out in detail at the beginning.

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a submissive offers their gift to a dominant out of love and trust that they will be taken care of emotionally and physically what besat on this planet would not wander or search for a greener pasture if they were being starved to death?


My gift? I may vomit.
I always picture some Queen explaining to the little people that she's gracing them with her presence.


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I would encourage you to use the capital 'I' when referring to yourself, submissive or not. Not doing so indicates a lack of self worth to me.
Thank you! Same goes with capitalization of names. I don't feel that submission is defined by how you write your name and refer to yourself.



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10-W-40 might work as a personal lubricant, but would you really want to use it???

Lily


LMAO

Here's bottom line: we all bear responsibility for our own happiness. So many rush into relationships without even defining their needs or asking the serious questions, so how can you expect someone else to fulfill those needs? They get caught up in the frenzy and hide behind rose colored glasses.

So let's ask ourselves:

1) How does an abusive Dominant keep getting victims?

In my experience, I have found that most real time communities are fairly tightly knit. News of an abusive or unsafe Dominant spreads pretty quickly and the same names come up repeatedly. Their actions are well known in the community, but yet they still manage to find victims and the only reason I can come up with is that submissives aren't doing due diligence and asking the hard questions.

2) Why do you always see the same submissives crying "victim"?

Over 11 years in the Southern California community, I can honestly say that there are some submissives that are continually victims. The victimizing ranges from the one night stand "he dumped me" routine to "he went past my limits" ("Did you use your safeword?" "Well, no."). Most of the Dominants in our community won't go near them, which leaves them to the novice or asshole categories and more instances of being the victim.

The bottom line is that the decisions you make about who you become involved with relates directly to what you will get out of this relationship. The first time this happens you're a victim, after that you're a volunteer.

Ultimately the fault of real abuse lies with the abuser. But, in the case of a Dominant not being to fulfill their submissive's needs, I have to ask why the submissive is there in the first place.



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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 1:49:00 PM   
JustaTop


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Status: offline 		Let's also remember that every abuser needs a *enabler*, who tolerates it.

Sound familiar?

And that many people seem to have serious difficulties with seperating "needs" from "wants".

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 1:53:55 PM   
lonewolf05


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My gift? I may vomit.

Your little fairy tale is not unlike ones I hear so often of the poor little subbie girl whose only desire is to serve the Dominant and have him take care of her every need. Get over it honey. The best submissives, the most appealing ones to Doms with their heads on straight are those who can support themselves, both practically and emotionally and actually have something to bring to the table. The little tale you paint rather nausiates me.

ProtagonistLily
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yes. You have freedom of speech. no i do not have the right to tell You what You can do or not.

but really? is this necessary? someone--anyone--comes on here looking for help...even if it means YOU have an issue with it...it is NOT right to jump down someone's throat.
why can't You Ladies be nice and still make a message heard?
and people ask ME why "I" have an issue with others? oh come on.
even "I" wouldnt deliberately attack someone just coz i put caps on my name...
i think You COULD have been nicer...couldn't You?

is THAT the msg YOU want people to think of when they see YOUR name? someone that attacks ? i THOUGHT you people with caps are SUPPOSED TO set an example...

yeah ok. maybe////////// i am out of turn here myself......but i KNOW i have seen You BE nicer before. hell even YOU posted a nice reply to some of MY stupid questions that others have experience in but i didnt.

i HOPE You will be better in the future? i know i have seen better posts of Yours.
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and as to MY 2 cents on this?
as a 24/7 slave....real time...

yes. subs/slaves/bottoms/ ALL should feel safe and secure. and ALL dominants/tops SHOULD show they ARE safe to be with.
in MY world you have 2 choices........ONLY!
you are either friend or foe. and if YOU aint adult enough to make that decision in the first 30 seconds.....i'll damned sure make it for ya........whether YOU like the outcome or not.

to ME in MY background THAT is being an adult.........making decisions on your feet.
its how bootcamp taught ME.

whether ya hate me---or ya like me or ya dont care either way...... but its MY view.

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:05:22 PM   
caitlyn


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Let's also remember that every abuser needs a *enabler*, who tolerates it.


There are many reason people find themselves in this sort of relationship, and even more reasons why they find themselves unable to get out ... and tolerance has very little to do with most of them.

If you are looking for an "enabler", try looking at people who imply that the abused is somehow responsible for thier abuse.

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:08:11 PM   
JustaTop


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Status: offline 		Let's clarify one thing here. Codependence is not a terribly healthy way to conduct a relationship. We all have to grow up SOME time.

It's the ones who refuse to that we see whining the most about the train wrecks they keep getting involved in. But hey-that's what happens when one is a kid in an adult world.

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:09:53 PM   
Kasia


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why can't You Ladies be nice




Really, lonewolf, give me one good reason to be nice to someone if I dont feel like being nice. In fact, I am not nice person at all and I dont care if anyone is nice to me.
What I expect from myself and people around me is honesty and respect (in general and earned). Why should I be nice? I see no use in being nice.

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:19:19 PM   
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yes. You have freedom of speech. no i do not have the right to tell You what You can do or not.

but really? is this necessary? someone--anyone--comes on here looking for help...even if it means YOU have an issue with it...it is NOT right to jump down someone's throat.
why can't You Ladies be nice and still make a message heard?
and people ask ME why "I" have an issue with others? oh come on.
even "I" wouldnt deliberately attack someone just coz i put caps on my name...
i think You COULD have been nicer...couldn't You?

is THAT the msg YOU want people to think of when they see YOUR name? someone that attacks ? i THOUGHT you people with caps are SUPPOSED TO set an example...

yeah ok. maybe////////// i am out of turn here myself......but i KNOW i have seen You BE nicer before. hell even YOU posted a nice reply to some of MY stupid questions that others have experience in but i didnt.

i HOPE You will be better in the future? i know i have seen better posts of Yours.




DITTO!

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:25:24 PM   
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i can only say this,..with all due respect........

my grand daddy told me...
it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.
yeah. YOU do as ya wanna. aint no one gonna stop ya. hell. even "I" have an anger issue. i dont like this world we live in. too much b.s. and not enough actually being done.

but ya know? its the only world we GOT.
its a long long cold existence in that grave.....and i HOPE like a mutha SOMEONE remembers ME as trying damned hard and being basically nice even though i have issues.

good luck to You n Yours from me and mine.
the wolf..........................................................


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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:28:31 PM   
Kasia


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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:39:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

Actually, Lord Acton said "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". He was talking about Liberty, not power exchange relationships.

Friend of mine, a Dom, has a T-shirt that says "Power Corrupts. Absolute Power is kinda kinky"

I think that you need to define corruption before you make broad, sweeping generalizations about what a dom is responsible for and what they are not.


Now that is a T-Shirt I want…. It’s a bit like one of mine, on which is written: “Yea though I walk through the Vallet of The Shadow of Death I shall fear no evil ~ For I am the most Evil Bastard there!”


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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

But it's not accurately quoted. And the tennants behind what Lord Acton was talking about have nothing to do with relationships.


Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Lord Acton referring to the Power in Political Circles?


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

1) How does an abusive Dominant keep getting victims?


The same way as keep getting subs wanting to meet me with their choice of “Security Dominant” with them…. The current rumour mill has me as the Most Evil Man in Australia. People are drawn to people who are reputed to be way outside their ken. (Some people are just attracted to dangerous, violent, abusive or evil people) Am I evil? Hell yes! I have asked the Religious Door knockers not to call ‘cause I’m a Pagan Priest (That’s evil), If they’ve accosted me when I’m shopping, I still ask if they have any virgin daughters for me so I can do a virgin sacrifice (Well that’s pretty evil) and I’ve notified the local juveniles that if they continue to take short cuts through my property, I’ll be armed with a 3’ length of 2” rubber pipe and after I quilt their arses I’ll cuff them and have the cops come and collect them for trespass (Ohhhh that’s really evil) ~ For the confused, I'm not immoral, I'm not moral, I'm completely A-Moral (In other words I decide what is moral and what isnt not any one else).

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:44:36 PM   
Kasia


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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I’ve notified the local juveniles that if they continue to take short cuts through my property, I’ll be armed with a 3’ length of 2” rubber pipe and after I quilt their arses I’ll cuff them and have the cops come and collect them for trespass (Ohhhh that’s really evil)

That is not evil, that is perfectly reasonable. I am doing that too.

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 2:52:24 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: Kasia


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

I’ve notified the local juveniles that if they continue to take short cuts through my property, I’ll be armed with a 3’ length of 2” rubber pipe and after I quilt their arses I’ll cuff them and have the cops come and collect them for trespass (Ohhhh that’s really evil)

That is not evil, that is perfectly reasonable. I am doing that too.


Awwwww shucks, you mean I have to find something else thats evil? Ermm Like helping little ond ladies accross the road or something???? have to keep my "Evil Rating" up...


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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 3:10:35 PM   
lonewolf05


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Sir? uh? You COULD be evil and pull wings off butterflys or something?

he he

or pull puppydog tails or rub a cat backwards........he he lol
oh i know... walk outside of a baitshop with a sign saying cruelty to worms n minnows for selling them as bait.........???????????

ohmigod


wolf

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RE: discipline or abuse - 10/6/2005 3:24:26 PM   
JustaTop


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Joined: 10/5/2005
Status: offline 		No,you get classed as evil by suggesting things like....if people like jesus so damned much,why don't they behave like him?

Always good for a laugh,and a lot of back stabbing later.

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