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DesFIP -> RE: Cock sucking (4/16/2008 9:03:54 PM)

Gay means you are only attracted to same sex types sexually and emotionally.
If you did a woman one night and a man the next, you aren't really gay, you're bisexual.
Or greedy [:D]




Vendaval -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 1:36:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Ok, for not wanting to hijack DiannaVesta's post in the ask a mistress forum, I will ask here, as I have questions based upon the  ongoing  thread.

Good call starting a separate thread, Aneirin.

What exactly is wrong with sucking a cock from a male perspective ?

Fear of being perceived as a homosexual

Does sucking a cock make you gay ?

No

And what is wrong with being gay, or for that matter, Bi sexual, women seem to be ok with it, but men feel it is anethema.

Social stigma, homosexual men are perceived as being less manly.

Why is it males seem so scared, to do this act?

Fear of becoming a social outcast

IMHO, everyone, male and female is to some extent bi sexual, it is just social conditioning that creates stigma.

I would say that most people are somewhere along the continuum from completely hetero to completely homo.
 
Take a look at these three links for some GLBT history
 
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/index-anc.html
 
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/greekeros.html
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece
 





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Vendaval -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 1:52:46 AM)

And the terrfying fear when straight men pass a "Hawt Dogg on a Stick" take out restaurant at a mall or boardwalk!
 
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

Heterosexual ones wouldn't, unless they were simply curious. But there are a fair number of men that say they're straight, but get a strange, tingling feeling when they have hot dogs for dinner. They'd come out, or at least be at ease with their feelings, if they didn't see it as weak.




mefisto69 -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 2:22:49 AM)

Frankly, I prefer maple trees




bipolarber -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 5:25:05 AM)

It's not the act of sucking the cock itself, that causes so much fear, so much disgust in males... it's all the social baggage that goes with it: Look at some of the ignnorant responses on the thread so far... "Suck ONE cock, and you are gay for life." (paraphrased) If you take one man in your mouth, you are weak, and something to be reviled and hated. Suck a cock and you can lose your wife, be thrown out of your church, have your kids taken away...

If gay and bi folk were considered equals, most of this baggage, this stigma, would disappear. There would still be plenty of straight men who still wouldn't think about doing it, (due to simple personal preference) but at least they wouldn't be stooping to bigotry for their reasons why.

Look at half the responses from males on this thread: how many of them are responding just to posture? "Oh, I'd never do it, I'm straight, I'm a REAL he-man!"

The social programming, that makes you think that being sexual with someone of the same gender is unnatural, runs deep.




seeksfemslave -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 5:54:33 AM)

Has anybody said they wouldn't do the deed cos' they are He Men.?
If so who ?




pahunkboy -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 6:41:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

It's not the act of sucking the cock itself, that causes so much fear, so much disgust in males... it's all the social baggage that goes with it: Look at some of the ignnorant responses on the thread so far... "Suck ONE cock, and you are gay for life." (paraphrased) If you take one man in your mouth, you are weak, and something to be reviled and hated. Suck a cock and you can lose your wife, be thrown out of your church, have your kids taken away...

If gay and bi folk were considered equals, most of this baggage, this stigma, would disappear. There would still be plenty of straight men who still wouldn't think about doing it, (due to simple personal preference) but at least they wouldn't be stooping to bigotry for their reasons why.

Look at half the responses from males on this thread: how many of them are responding just to posture? "Oh, I'd never do it, I'm straight, I'm a REAL he-man!"

The social programming, that makes you think that being sexual with someone of the same gender is unnatural, runs deep.



the thing about gay- is one can never turn straight.  a guy is marked for life. 




pahunkboy -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 6:48:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cjan

I've done a lot of "experimenting" in my life in many ways. When I was in my 20's, I experimented with man on man sex. Tried it a few times, with a few men, ahem, just to make sure, of course, and found that I am happily , without a doubt,heterosexual. As a result of this experimentation, I found out something that  is interesting to me. And, I don't mean to say that this applies to any one other tham me, although it may be something to consider. What I learned was that the feelings that I had of affection for another dude was simply that. Affection. My upbringing and the culture I live in "taught" me that showing affection for another man in any way more "unmanly" that a locker room pat on the ass and a "good game" comment was gay. So, like a lot of guys, in my opinion, having feelings of affection and feeling inhibited about expressing them, made me wonder if I had 'mo tendencies. I suspect that these feelings and doubts in some men, because of repressed fear, may make them homophobic and even play a role in such things as gay bashing. To me, it was liberating.

I think that whatever consenting adults do , without affecting or involving the non-consenting , is strictly their own business.



This happens.  I can speak first hand on it. 

I was surprised on this post.  Mostly cause this happens.  Tho if one is a participant- never mention names.  ever. 

If laying a woman wasnt such a minefield Ild try that too.  [but] men fight over woman. Stab and kill over a woman.  So I will let it alone.

I find that men who are secure in who they are have no problem with what other adults do in their own home. 

Being that 9 to 1, or better then 9, this situation as you stated happens alot.

The thing to remember is no one owes anyone sex.  And if someone a grabbed, 1 punch should be enough.....




cjan -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 7:00:33 AM)

quote:

pahunkyboy quote:
I was surprised on this post.  Mostly cause this happens.  Tho if one is a participant- never mention names.  ever.


Don't worry, hunky, I will never tell it was you...My lips are sealed.




kittinSol -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 7:04:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cjan

My lips are sealed.



[:-] But then... how can you suck co... nevermind.




cjan -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 7:18:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: cjan

My lips are sealed.



[image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s12.gif[/image] But then... how can you suck co...

Exactly, mon petit




Lordandmaster -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 8:14:15 AM)

No, not paraphrased--more like falsely quoted.  "Gay" means sexually attracted to members of the same sex.  I don't understand what the word means if it doesn't mean that.  If a man willingly sucks another man's cock, I have to assume he was sexually attracted.

In fact, I don't even understand how anyone would object to that logic.  Maybe it's because people take the word "gay" as an insult?  I didn't say gays are weak, evil, don't deserve to have children, or whatever other inflammatory nonsense you were talking about.  That's all someone else's problem.

Look, there seem to be two different things going on in this thread, and they're being badly confused:

1.  Sucking a cock doesn't make you gay.
2.  Being gay isn't so bad anyway.

I agree with No. 2.  But No. 1 makes absolutely no sense to me.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Look at some of the ignnorant responses on the thread so far... "Suck ONE cock, and you are gay for life." (paraphrased)




kittinSol -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 8:28:45 AM)

Right... if a gay man muffdived, would that make him heterosexual [:-]?




Aneirin -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 8:39:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Right... if a gay man muffdived, would that make him heterosexual [:-]?


Good question.




QuietlySeeking -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 10:10:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Right... if a gay man muffdived, would that make him heterosexual [:-]?

actually wouldn't that make him bisexual?




kittinSol -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 10:45:13 AM)

Well, probably, but this is where labelling starts to get a little iffy.

This was the OP's premise:

quote:

ORIGINAL Aneirin

Does sucking a cock make you gay ?



Know what I mean?




DesFIP -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 12:18:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

the thing about gay- is one can never turn straight.  a guy is marked for life. 



I don't know about marked for life, but I grew up on Fire Island so I don't count as an expert on society's viewpoints.

But gays can't turn straight nor can they turn bi.
Bis can't turn straight or gay.
And straights can't turn bi or gay.




NorthernGent -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 12:39:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

But gays can't turn straight nor can they turn bi.
Bis can't turn straight or gay.
And straights can't turn bi or gay.



There's a broad assumption in that line of argument; the assumpion being that there is a natural order of things. 'Surprising for a liberal.




NorthernGent -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 12:44:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: QuietlySeeking

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Right... if a gay man muffdived, would that make him heterosexual [:-]?

actually wouldn't that make him bisexual?


That would make him partial to getting involved in business that doesn't concern him.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Cock sucking (4/17/2008 2:47:19 PM)

If he enjoyed it, I'd say it makes him bi.

I don't quite get why this is so complicated, and, as I said, I believe it's because people find the labels inherently demeaning.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Right... if a gay man muffdived, would that make him heterosexual [:-]?




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