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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/24/2008 4:57:36 PM   
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To often I see on the boards and in daily life individuals that make comparisons of themselves to others with the desire to elevate themselves at the expense of another. 


Excellent observation. I see this often, as well. It is probably the chief reason that I have little interest in being part of the bdsm community on the whole.

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/24/2008 6:41:19 PM   
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**head spinning......too much deep thought.........brain cramp!!!!!!!**

Ah, people are people....some of us whip each other, some of us f*ck each other......guess if you live it - it is a lifestyle......

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/24/2008 6:50:49 PM   
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Birds of a feather, "lifestyle" together.....Tempting

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 6:57:30 AM   
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It is not so important to me if you think of yourself as a "lifestyler" and what you think of this person or that person with regards to if they are a lifestyler.  I am finding that the Character of the people to be much important than they be a lifestyler.  I find understanding and appreciating the character of a person to have much greater value than comparing their lifestyle to mine.   I have found that regardless of a person's lifestyle choices... If I admire their character.. their lifestyle is of no consequence.  In fact, If I respect the character of a person.... I am more likely to learn and appreciate their lifestyle.  I suspect that many are similiar to me in this way.  Many desire to have this "lifestyle" of D/s and BDSM to be reflected more positively in our society.  Well... I say... be a person of admirable character and this will best serve the lifestyle.

 
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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 7:09:30 AM   
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And I really coudn't give a monkeys how your insecuritys make you read it as. if you have a problem it is your problem. Put your insecuritys back in your knicker drawer where they belong. If you are 'threatened' by people who don't just do this at weekends, isn't anyones concern but you... Pointing out that some do and some don't simply defines which 'grouping' is being discussed, 'better' is totaly contextual.... for someone who 'just does it at weekends' then someone else who similarly 'just does it at weekends' is better... for them. Likewise a lifestyler is better for Me.... thats 'in context' but not a generic one is 'better' than the other.

Strange how people like you are the only ones pushing that angle and trying to make out like lifestylers take this attitude when the only time such is raised is by someone insecure about what they have. But then there is oft an ellement of pot calling the kettle black... when some try to paint lifestylers that way so they can believe THEY are better because THEY are not 'elitist'..... even though the only elitist bullshit is in their own minds.



Raven, so you don't "just" do it on weekends eh?  Do you "just" do it when you are awake?  Is someone who sleeps less than you "more" 24/7 than you are?

My stake in this is "leather" and that lifestyle.  Some dear friends of mine competed in and won a series of leather competitions, now what I do and what they do is conceptually the exact same except I don't consider myself "leather" and thus cannot participate.

I don't need to draw lines around what I do and sprinkle fairy dust on them to make what I do special.  I am me, and clearly being me isn't bad.  The only line I draw is between healthy behavior and unhealthy and even there I don't think the line is black and white.

It kills me to say this but Lady Hugs said it pretty well.  I live a life and I do it in style...

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 7:54:12 AM   
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I went back and read the rest of the responses to this thread because I was interested to see how many actually equate the term 'lifestyle' as meaning living life.  Suddenly, a random thought came to My head:

Group:  "We're the non-conformists"
Stan:  "I want to join your group.  What do I have to do?"
Group:  "If you want to be a non-conformist, all you have to do is dress like us, listen to our music, and do the things we do."

(Yeah, shoot Me.  I'm a South Park fan.)

I don't mean any offense to those who have seen the thread as an opportunity to express themselves and their feelings toward the term.  I'm quite sure that there are those who can relate a negative experience with many words, the term 'lifestyle' among them.  The same goes with other words that are seen now and again here.  Leather, community, Gorean, and Old Guard being examples of a few.  Bring any of those up, and there will be those who flock to the feeding frenzy of picking people apart who chose to identify with those words.

Why this is, I can not say.  It is no better or worse than the implied elitist attitude that was brought up in the original post.  Saying that one feels better because they identify as a lifestyler is no different than one saying they are better than the lifestylers because they chose not to be.  Those who look down on the term because they feel they have risen above it.

What has seemed to lose emphasis in this thread is that many here have just adopted the term as an expression of how they live.  That's the positive of it that has been overlooked. 




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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 8:12:12 AM   
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LP > for me it is not that i have risen above any term , nor that i am better than it .Instead , I feel it is just non descriptive and generic there for does not fit nor belong .It would be like me saying Please bring me that thing over there in the warehouse .There are many things over there but your supposed to know  exactly what i mean , so find it and bring it to me , ok . I do not look down upon  nor judge any within this  community least of all for using a term , i just ask not to be included in the round table labeling .I think for  some  the term just does not fit , so like an ugly pair of shoes why wear them ?PS - south park rocks !





{quote]ORIGINAL: LadyPact

  Saying that one feels better because they identify as a lifestyler is no different than one saying they are better than the lifestylers because they chose not to be.  Those who look down on the term because they feel they have risen above it.

What has seemed to lose emphasis in this thread is that many here have just adopted the term as an expression of how they live.  That's the positive of it that has been overlooked. 



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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 8:46:09 AM   
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South Park does rock!  I've been a fan for years.  It was almost a prerequisite of living in Colorado for so long.

Your example is a good one.  I certainly couldn't argue with it.  I suppose what I missed in My latest contribution is the fact that we are all here, in the 'warehouse'.  Let's look at that.  In this particular group of people who are here, there are three things that are found in common. 

We are all breathing.

We all have internet access.

We have, at least some interest in being on a BDSM site.

There is no other commonality that brings us together here.  There is no other facet of life that connects us.  Not parenting, not work, not recreation.  We have, at the start, those three things that all of us can, when questioned, answer in the affirmative.

Other than that, it's a toss up.  No one has ever promised to like everyone, or even share the same interest.  I do what I do, and you do what you do, and hey, folks are happy.  Isn't that the best that anyone can ask for?

My point being that, some of us do identify as 'lifestyle' folks.  There is nothing wrong with that, if it is positive and making us happy.  Not all of us are negative in our experiences.  Some of us are actually quite content with being who we are.  I hope that your path brings you the same.


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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 12:04:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I went back and read the rest of the responses to this thread because I was interested to see how many actually equate the term 'lifestyle' as meaning living life.  Suddenly, a random thought came to My head:

Group:  "We're the non-conformists"
Stan:  "I want to join your group.  What do I have to do?"
Group:  "If you want to be a non-conformist, all you have to do is dress like us, listen to our music, and do the things we do."

(Yeah, shoot Me.  I'm a South Park fan.)

I don't mean any offense to those who have seen the thread as an opportunity to express themselves and their feelings toward the term.  I'm quite sure that there are those who can relate a negative experience with many words, the term 'lifestyle' among them.  The same goes with other words that are seen now and again here.  Leather, community, Gorean, and Old Guard being examples of a few.  Bring any of those up, and there will be those who flock to the feeding frenzy of picking people apart who chose to identify with those words.

Why this is, I can not say.  It is no better or worse than the implied elitist attitude that was brought up in the original post.  Saying that one feels better because they identify as a lifestyler is no different than one saying they are better than the lifestylers because they chose not to be.  Those who look down on the term because they feel they have risen above it.

What has seemed to lose emphasis in this thread is that many here have just adopted the term as an expression of how they live.  That's the positive of it that has been overlooked. 



Nicely said, LadyPact.  And, having lived in Colorado off and on since 63, you are right...South Park is almost required viewing. 
Funny how, with time, you can look back at certain things and laugh or at least, smile in a wry fashion.  The interchange between Stan and the group reminded me of the "hippie" days.  "Tune in, turn on and drop out...Be a Non-Conformist...Live free and do your own thing".................................................................."AS LONG AS "your own thing" is what we approve of".

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 12:13:14 PM   
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I didn't get into an alternative lifestyle to explore new frontiers in conformity.
 
I did it because I enjoy it. I'm a club with exactly one member;)

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 2:06:35 PM   
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I prefer my clubs with at least two...otherwise my  hand gets tired

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/25/2008 4:47:23 PM   
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    Are more than two member s a counter culture movement ?

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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/27/2008 7:25:50 AM   
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"Once you label me, you negate me." -paraphrasing Kierkegaard


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RE: Are you a Lifestyler? - 4/29/2008 9:32:30 AM   
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This a question I've been thinking about for a while, since it was originally posted because its something I've had to deal with personally the last few weeks.  Its taken me a while to come up with an answer, but here goes.

No, I don't consider myself "a lifestyler", which is just as well because I don't know what that could possibly mean.   I have some friends who are active in the network munches and play parties, I help out the leader of one group because I'm a believer in "giving back" to the community, such as it is and I like to serve.  I have a little bit of leather that I can dress up in on appropriate occasions.  When I've gotten to know people who fly the lifestyler flag, I haven't been impressed and I tend to balk when someone turns around and starts beating me over the head with the same flag.  I'm a masochist, but, ya know...enough is enough.

I guess I don't consider myself a lifestyler for the same reasons I've distanced myself from other fixed markers of identity, be those that fix gender, ethnic heritage, sexual orientation, class consciousness.  At the end of the day, they become too confining, and fail to capture the complexity of human experience.  When I started exploring this stuff, I was attracted by its liberatory potential and I have no interest in becoming a martyr to that cause, held hostage to some vague hope that some day I might be able to explore the vagaries and ambiguities of my own sexuality.

Ya know, let a thousand flowers bloom. 

*wanders off to study up on Mao*

Ed to add:  It dawned on me that my mention of "the lifestyle flag" might be interpreted to mean the leather flag.  I was speaking metaphoracally and in no way mean to imply that I have anything against the leather flag and people who use it to display their leather affiliation.

< Message edited by gypsygrl -- 4/29/2008 10:06:48 AM >


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