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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 1:19:41 PM   
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1.Do you believe that children learn what they live?
 
 
To a certain extent, but it should not exclude, learning from what they live. 

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2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood?
 

It depends on the person; some learn to go with the grain, others against it.

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3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?
 
 
The fact that the person is seeking help in understanding, is a sign that the cycle can be broken. The trick is to fully understand the discrepancies in one’s past experiences from present thinking.

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1.Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone?
 

Sometimes, yes.

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2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?
 

Yes.

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3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?
 

As a pet, I have felt that from this side, and I’m not even a masochist.

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4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?


Responsibility and necessity are what keep me from going postal.

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But..What if you feel you can't stop yourself?


I would look for someone who would be willing to serve as a safety net.
 
My best,
k
 
Ps. I hope Pup is doing well.

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 1:22:22 PM   
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hugs MoGa...your questions really strike me, i'll have to think about them for a while and maybe get back to you on the other side if you don't mind.  some of them really hit home. 

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 1:33:01 PM   
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Hey there... HUGS!
You are not alone! Although, having felt very alone in the past, I know how hard that can be to believe. If nothing else, the great number of responses to your post here indicates that there are many people who respect and care for you.
Feel free to message me, I am always ready with an open ear!
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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 1:38:59 PM   
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1. Do you believe that children learn what they live?
 
2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood?
 
3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children? 
 

1) I believe everything a child experinces leaves it's mark on them. No matter the situiation good or bad each experience helps to mold a childs reaction to things. Children are resilent creatures however because often times they can cope with these things easily without ANY contact from another person. They simply find a way to make it make sence and that is what they make it. Children who deal with anger can make sence of it in many ways I learned that being angry is a way of changing things because when things refused to budge Dad got angry and then things changed. To a Degree I STILL accept this as fact. Reason being.... It has worked. Only issue is at times I scare the bejesus outta people. Am I think way because of the house I grew up in? It is possible however one must question. If I am aware of this fact...... why am I still acting out on it? I like to believe that although some of the things I do emulate my history they have become my very own unique present and help to mold a very different future.

2) I believe that a choice is made to continue the violence if that is the case yes. However I also believe that children exposed to certain things find these things to be acceptable as they were always Present in thier lives. Still a choice is made but in many cases it is simply the choice of "will I continue or not." I believe children are resilient I believe that just because a child was Molested does not mean that they will molest someone else. I believe that a child can handle a LOT more than we give them credit for because I was one of those children and everyone was always worried about the wrong things. Everyone was always worried about my Poetry because they saw it as a sing when it reality it was a way to vent frustration but no one seemed to care that I was not liked and licked on in school and that was what much of my anger was created from. I was an angry little kid but all the therapists wanted to do was talk about my parents divorce when I didn't care about the divorce I wanted the little dipshits I went to school with to stop calling me a Fatass. As you can see these things you carry with you over time and the feelings about them rarely fully go away. They may not RULE me anymore but they ARE still there.

3) Therapy to me was a waste of money because I didn't know what I wanted to fix and my therapist couldn't come close to something I thought was wrong so I spent lots of money to have someone ask me "What do you mean by that?" Lots of notes were taken and NOTHING was addressed. Except the Standard issues for those in BDSM. I have Control issues however I have a realistic view on how control should work I just don;t always practice it. I Have a Love/Hate relationship with women, and it manifests itself in my desire to control them and punish them for what I consider insolence. Finally I have sexual issues which my therapis was CONVINCED came because I was touched innapropraitly when I was a child and did not believe that I have just always been sexuall curious since I was in Preschool. I know that in my Memory I have NEVER been sexually touched or assaulted and that In my Memory I have just always been interested in the female of the species and being sexual (Not sexually active just very sexually explicit)



 
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1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone?
 
2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?
 
3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all? 
 

1,2,&3) I cannot quite relate to any of these questions because I am not a Sadist however I would like to comment on the Practice because I do play for pleasure however never for extream pain. I know the feeling I get when I am sexually driven. It is nearly Primal. I want to conquer my partner. I want to bring them to sexual extasy, I want to dance in thier moans and thrusts. This feeling brings out something in me that is NOT always there. I get .... Animalistic. I have been known on occasion to Grown and claw and have even gotten violent I put a hole through a wall I came so hard once. and it scared the fuck out of her because at the time she could do nothing but be a party to MY sexual extasy regardless of if she wanted to or not. I, as in ME, wasn't really there, and it took me a few moments to get back and usually then I had to calm them down and then patch the wall. (Yes that happened more than once I could probably teach a workshop on wall patching at HomeDepot.)



 
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4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need? 
 


MoGA I felt the need to seperate this because I think this is the part you are weary of. You are afraid of crossing the line that you Kink may consume YOU. I understand this fear. The point is we control our actions and part of the road of a Dominant is to be in control of ones self, Okay I know I have gotten that too and it pisses me off as well However this isn't what I am trying to say to you. I am not saying well You shouldn't be a Dominant if you cannot control it, In reality what I am saying is that As a Dominant you HAVE to control it, because the alternative is shame and guilt.

In my Youth I had Non consenting partners. I brought them home for Vanilla sex and then some kinky Tying up and then things went SOUTH and well I still live with those skeletons because they will ALWAYS be there. I have the Potential to HARM SOMEONE. And this Potential makes me remember the RAZOR THIN LINE between Hurt and Harm. It is a line that gets danced on from time to time but in the end, you just have to remember that what you WANT and what you NEED have to be addresses SEPERATELY and when the two come together you are comfortable but when they are FAR FAR APART this is where you get into the edgy places of Should you wait for the CONSENT that you NEED, or the DARK FIRE that you WANT. And eventually you can find away to get BOTH from the same outlet.

Maybe I am in FAR left field here and I missed your point completely but as I understand it you just have to Center yourself when the Fire Burns in your belly and see where that desire.... it acted upon ....... is going to take you.

Hope this helps love

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 1:44:50 PM   
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What's to stop you from hurting someone? 

THEY ARE!  Hate to ring the consensual bell, but hell, there doesn't seem to be a lack of us that enjoy the abuse.


A slightly different perspective.
 
It has been my experience, many consent unknowingly.
 
Think of someone coming in here saying “real” or “true”. They start, then someone else responds. The next move is in the court of the first person, but instead of holding on to the ball, they serve it back, and next thing ya know….
 
Abuse is a tricky subject. It is only abuse, if the person dosen't deserve it, and often times; it is the person feeling abused, doing it to themselves.
 
My best,
 
k

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 1:52:34 PM   
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1. Do you believe children learn what they live?

I believe that it it can go one of two ways. They can imitate the people they grew up around and become near exact copies of them, or they can become the exact extreme and show thier rebellion in everything they do. Case and point, me and my half brother grew up in the same household, treated exactly the same, and while I turned out to be altruistic and well rounded he is currently serving a twenty year prison sentence.

2.If so, do you think those children will grow up to be the type of adult's they lived with in thier childhood?

You just never know, it's not set in stone. You can only hope for the best and pray they don't continue the cycle of abuse and violence.

3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?

Therapy while it might give you a better understanding of your feelings about things doesn't change how you feel about them or your reactions based on them. At least for me it was a "I know I am doing the wrong thing again, but I can't help it."

1.Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone?

I do. I know I joke a lot about stabbing people and I know I would never do it. But sometimes I get so caught up with emotion that I imagine myself doing it, I close my eyes and I see myself hurting them, slowly, and enjoying it. I think it's a natural thing as long as you don't let it consume you. It scares me sometimes.


2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?

Any strong emotion can make my blood race so I think I will pass out but I have to take a few breaths and push it back down into my stomach and eventually the pain and lightheadedness pass.


3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?

This feeling is one of the reasons why I get really uncomfortable when put in a dominance position. My emotions are just too strong and although I feel I cope well, I just don't know.

4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?

You just have to tell yourself that you are strong enough. Even if its one day at a time, you have to wake up every morning and promise yourself that you are going to be strong. You can't let anything rule you. You are in control of yourself. When I was younger it wasn't uncommon to find me in fits of depression hunched in some corner with my friends trying to talk me down from the brink of anger or sadness or some other overpowering emotion, until one day I realised that I am in control of myself and that I didn't want to be that anymore.

But..What if you feel you can't stop yourself?

Then I would say find someone to watch over you. A friend, a confidant, someone who you can confess these things to and who will tell you the truth. I know I used to scare myself with what I was capable of doing and I needed someone to tell me, its okay, you are a good person, its all okay.

Well, at the risk of sounding like a complete nut job, I hope these answers help you. If you ever need someone to talk to, I am here. If you just need someone to listen, I am here. I hope you feel better. You are a wonderful woman so don't ever convince your self otherwise.











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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 1:58:21 PM   
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Dear MoGa,
        First off, thank You for sharing with us and trusting us.  i hope that all is well with You and that the answers You receive will help with Your concerns.
Hugs and good thoughts, Ma'am.
 
1. Do you believe that children learn what they live? 
        Yes they do, at times, they accept and repeat the actions, at other times they learn to recognize and avoid the things they find objectionable or troublesome.  (biting my tongue as i try to fight back the word "wrong")
 
2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood? 
          Depending on what they view as positive and negative.  i learned, through childhood experience, that it was dangerous to be an alcoholic, and paid attention to the ways to notice that and overcome my ingrained tendencies, which i know and have accepted are there, but i do not drink alcohol at this point.  I had one parent who worked himself to death because he never sought a way to relax.  i sometimes question if i have not gone too far in the other direction.
 
3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children? 
         i believe that substance abuse therapy can be effective.  i believe that the power to decide that a certain course of action is unhealthy (sorry, "wrong" again) has to be determined by the individual before any cycle will be broken.  "i lived through it and it did not kill me, so did my parents and theirs and so on. in fact, it might have made me stronger."
 
This ends the first part of my questions. Now comes the second part, which I think is more important, because it involves the physical reactions when we do wiitwd.
 
1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone? 
 
Yes, at times i do.
 
2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it? 

Again, at times, yes.
 
3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all? 

i have stepped away from the lifestyle from time to time, and tried to ignore the desire, but it is, instead of burning hot, a gnawing sensation that i do not forget.  (need of pain, from sub/masochist point of view)
 
4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?
 
  i have been insulted, sneered at and looked at like i have two heads for some of my kinks and desires which actually seem pretty tame to some of the folks i have spoken with here and elsewhere in the lifestyle.
   while some vanilla partners have found some excitement in that there is little that i refuse, they tend to shy away from some of the things i desire.  i have generally accepted what was offered with thanks and appreciation, and have done so for extended times, but as things seem to come to an end, i look for someone that is more inclined to share my kinks and desires.
    i wonder sometimes, when i consider spending some time in therapy, or when i ask myself "where does this come from?" if it is not a small streak of jealousy for my siblings who used to get spanked regularly because my parents loved them.  i have never been quite sure if i tended to avoid trouble by learning from my 6 older siblings, or if my parents were too jaded or tired, or had just stopped caring or worrying.
     i tend to be the type that people talk to in detail, and turn to advice.   The only time that i went to a therapist, his question to me, was "What would you say to someone who came to you with this kind of question." although i felt a bit cheated, after i thought about it, i asked, darn who knows me better?
     i hope that some of this helps, although i feel that this might not be the perspective that You sought.  i hope this view give You some insight, and that You find some peace, Ma'am.


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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 2:37:50 PM   
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1. Do you believe that children learn what they live?

oh yes!!!!!  I would be living proof of this, as is one of my daughters. as is my ex - he lived his life just as his father did - and didn't know it.
 
2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood?

i did, and it looks as if my daughter is going to.  my ex wasn't as bad as his father, but he was no ray of light either.
 
3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?

with the right therapist - yes!!!!!!! I did!!!! and therapy helped my daughter. My therapy lasted 3 years, and saved me and enlightened me and opened me up to what i could be.  codependency was his diagnosis, and i fit all parameters.
 

1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone? 

if i'm thinking of them in a sexual way -oh yes.
 
2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?

no - i would love to act on it, but usually am too inhibited to do so. i am not a domme, but as a sub i have felt this feeling of having to have something - anything! because i am not a domme i don't have the push to act - it would be hard to "make" someone hurt me.
 
 

 
MoGa



i don't know what your issue is, but you are not alone in your angst. I had suicidal ideation for about the first year of my therapy. It felt too hard, too long before i felt any benefits, and i didn't know if it would help me live freer. I stuck to it because i had bonded with my therapist, and as bad as it was, i felt no alternative. If you feel that you are not getting anywhere with your therapy, talk to your therapist. It may be you are doing better than you thought. Or you may need a different therapist.
If you are aware of your impulses to hurt others in an unsafe manner, please resist them. You are better than who ever hurt you, and you are self aware, where whoever hurt you is probably not.You know that you are perpetuating something learnt in childhood, and that it is wrong. Be strong, have courage and if needed try another therapist.     hugs to you.

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 8:21:15 PM   
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instead of posting to the forums.... why not send a private email to some of those that you have come to respect and/or develop a friendship with on the forums.... less risk... and still might help with your issue.

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 8:45:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
 
1. Do you believe that children learn what they live?
 
2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood?

 
I believe that they tend to take in a lot during their life, not just from home but from school and other social places (church or friends...) 
Each one also has their own personality to add to the mix.  My mother raised 2 subs and one dom.

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3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?

 
I think therapy only works if they "want" to change the behavior

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1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone?
 
2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?

 
Every now and again, I get a really restless feeling.. a need, if you will thinking on certain situations.  I don't get a feeling of suffocation though, it feels more like I'll explode and forget how to act 'like everyone else'

 
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3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?
 


I feel the restlessness I spoke of sometimes, if its been a while, otherwise it is  more of a heightened sense of awareness
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4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?
 
(You may say because I wouldn't do anything with anyone unless I have their consent)
 
But..What if you feel you can't stop yourself? Truly dig into your soul for this answer. For it is this answer that I need the most, to be answered with up most honesty. 
 

If there isn't anyone to consent to play, I honestly try other things, to rid myself of the restlessness. 
I have tried loud music and too much exercise.
I've carved up mango's with intricate design.
I've beaten the hell out of a few pillows and stuffed animals.
Unfortunately, I tend to get a bit sarcastic or short with people verbally if I have no physical release. 

Quite frankly, I had it "beaten" into me that I shouldn't hurt anyone ... so I have a bit of control over what I do to non consenting people.

I hope that helps even just a bit
*hugs*

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 11:46:23 PM   
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MoGa,

For what it is worth, I always read your posts and respect what you write.  As for oddball kinks, I have a few that are pretty far out there that I don't discuss.  I am pretty open about myself, especially my failings but there are things I don't bring here. 

And as KoM said, email someone, I have done a few reality checks here with people, LA is one, there are others I have gone to as well

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/26/2008 11:49:11 PM   
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Hi everyone,
I don't have a lot of time to respond to everyone just yet, but I do want to say to KoM one thing.

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instead of posting to the forums.... why not send a private email to some of those that you have come to respect and/or develop a friendship with on the forums.... less risk... and still might help with your issue.


It takes an enormous amount of bravery to post what is truly in your heart, on these forums. If I had communicated through a private email, then I don't think it would be helping anyone else. I have had countless emails thanking me for sharing on the forum, something so personal, and it has made others think about how this has effected them at some point or another in their lives.

Risk? I don't feel as though I have anything to "risk" by posting the questions that I have asked here. And although you may not believe it, the answers that I have received on this thread has helped me considerably with "my issue".

I plan on posting more, which may or may not be of interest to you, if it isn't, then by pass it. If it does interest you, I would be interested in reading what topic related opinions you may have.

I will post more tomorrow. I am tired and my eyes hurt.

Hugs,

MoGa




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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 12:54:05 AM   
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First MoGa, I'm glad You felt You could post here, You are respected, that is obvious. You've had some great answers already, but I'll add My bit.

1. Do you believe children learn what they live?
To a point. The family home is probably the single biggest influence but there are many other influences and as many have said, kids will emulate or reject. I learned some great things from My parents (there's always something to be sorry for in an argument, how to stand up for what I believed in etc) and quite a few things NOT to do (like smoke, be 2 virgins on the wedding night etc LOL!).

2.If so, do you think those children will grow up to be the type of adult's they lived with in thier childhood? 
I don't think they necessarily will, they will be their own blend of influences. The best thing We can hope for children is to raise them able to question and decide for themselves as adults as to what will be their values and worldviews.

3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?
Therapy's just not a common thing over here in Aus, so it's hard to comment. Whether it's therapy or whether it's dedicated personal self-work, I do believe it is possible to make changes IF the person (a) wants to (b) understands why they want to (c) is motivated to work at it (d) has the tools and ideas for how to go about it and (e) has some support and encouragement of others while working at translating the desire into action ie actually MAKING the changes. I can see that a therapist could be especially helpful in assisting a person to clarify their understanding, offering tools and ideas to try and in supporting the tentative new steps of the changer.
 
While it's statistically true for eg that most abusers were abused themselves as children, I don't believe it's inevitable ... there are doubtless others out there who were abused who DIDN'T become abusers themselves ... but we don't tend to hear about them do we. They don't make the news.

1.Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone? 
Not sure I'd describe it that way, I guess it depends on what I'm thinking! I have more of an aching feeling when I am without what I want out of bdsm. 

2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it? 
As a sub, i remember vividly one spanking where, partway through, it dawned on me i had something i needed to release. i spent the next few minutes praying that Master wouldn't stop before i got there, i KNEW i needed this, and yes, to a point, i felt i would suffocate if i didn't let it out ... i guess my responses were sufficiently positive to keep Him going. He was expecting me to go from gigglespace into deep space ... much to His alarm i suddenly began crying, big, heavy, racking sobs. i was able to choke out between sobs that it was ok, good tears, just hold me! Which He did, tenderly, and i bawled happily like a child for about 10 minutes ... and then it stopped. As suddenly as it had started! i had no idea then, and still none now, as to what it was i released. Whatever it was, it felt very cathartic to let it out!
 
As a Domme, it's more of a terrible itching, a frustration, if I don't have an outlet for My Domination. I'm like that at the moment, to the point that the other day Master was leaning over and i playfully slapped His arse ... but i couldn't stop at a gentle subby tap! Three quick firm whacks later and He'd straightened up and said "Pet! Put Jay away!" But omg, that felt SOOOO good, that was a real powerful whack to My stomach, a total aching and longing for a sub! I am so grateful that Master understands My need to be a duality and is undoubtedly tolerant of such breaks of "form"!

3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?
See above! I have a need for both giving pain for pleasure and receiving pain for pleasure. However, in neither case is it pain for pain's sake ... it's where the pain takes the people on both sides of it that's important to Me. That's no slight on those for whom it IS pain for pain's sake, I understand and accept those types of sadists, that's just not applicable to Me.

4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?
Maybe naively, I don't get too worried about legality, I worry more about discretion. Yes it IS frustrating when there is no one around, that's certainly My case at the moment. And even with my beloved Master, violet is more than a little frustrated as He is suffering from a mosquito-borne viral disease (Ross River Virus) which causes extreme fatigue and for which there is no treatment beyond multivitamins and rest. It will take 6-12 months to recover ... which is a long time without much play or much sex! But He just doesn't have a lot of energy and what He has is going into playing gigs with Me to make the necessary $ to survive. Perhaps Jay is suffering extra at the moment because violet isn't getting much play either ... if one side is sated it makes it a bit easier for the other to cope. Living in a smaller town doesn't help either as it's going to be hard to connect with people here, the subs I am talking to live at some distance. But as yet I've not been tempted to go out and pluck someone off the street ... well, not seriously tempted anyway!

But..What if you feel you can't stop yourself?
Hmmm at that point I would possibly resort to cyber ... a pale imitation I know but it just might ease things a bit. Or masturbate (if Master allows!).
 
Hon, if there's more You want to talk about and You think it won't make it past the TOS, I will add My name to the list of those willing to correspond on the other side. I do hope this is helping You come to a better place with Yourself.
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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 1:04:03 AM   
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1. Do you believe that children learn what they live? 
As others have said... yes and no...
 
2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood?
  To some degree we can mirror important figures from our childhood... I know that my mom is a lot like my grandmother, and I'm quite a bit like my dad. However it is not set in stone, and it is entirely possible for a child to be completely different from their parents/guardians
3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?
  It can certainly help. Sometimes just being aware of one's own feelings and where they come from can do a lot towards managing them. Coming to terms with, or just trying to understand the past can bring some clarity to our actions in the present.
This ends the first part of my questions. Now comes the second part, which I think is more important, because it involves the physical reactions when we do wiitwd.
 
1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone?
  At times, yes
2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?
  this has happened to me, although it didn't involve bdsm, just a person I loved with all my heart who loved me back, just "not in that way" (it was the classic falling for your best friend scenario... it was and sometimes still is sheer agony)
3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?
  Being a sub, I can't say exactly. I am fairly new to BDSM play... I haven't felt any of that sensation you describe during the few times I have played. I haven't played for a few weeks, and I do miss it at times, but it is not a deep heart-wrenching need, just a simple desire to try it again. Perhaps as I get more involved in the scene the need to play will become stronger, or perhaps not.
4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?
  Not having dominant tendencies myself, I can't exactly say, but I think that were I more of a dom type the guilt of doing something with an unconsenting person would essentially override any pleasure I might get out of the act itself. On a more vanilla level, I have often desperately wanted to kiss my best friend, but knowing that she would hate it, and that if I did it to her I would hate myself has kept me from acting on that feeling. I simply wouldn't enjoy kissing someone who didn't want to kiss me, no matter how strongly I felt towards them, and I think the same principle would apply to me with regards to any sort of BDSM play... it would be a painfull experience for all involved. As to how I cope with loving someone who can't love me back... I cry, I write depressing poetry and diary enteries, I hurt, and I try my best to move on (even though I don't know if I really can). As to how I deal with being without kink when I really want it... I read erotica, write erotica, watch porn, masturbate, and fantasise... it got me through years of being too chicken to actually act upon my submissive fantasies. It isn't perfect, but it helps. 
Other people have come up with more insightfull answers to your questions, but this is just how it is for me, as best as I can describe it.
Best wishes, and thank you for sharing your questions!

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 1:48:24 AM   
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Thank You Mistress of GA for keeping us posted, and i am sorry that it made Your eyes hurt,  i hope that all is well, and i do appreciate Your posts (it appears a lot of folks do), Ma'am.
                         

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 5:40:48 AM   
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1. Do you believe that children learn what they live?


I know one train of thought is that like breeds like. A child of alcoholic parents will be an alcoholic, an abused kid will go on to be an abuser.... I don't subscribe to that. They learn ABOUT what they live but how that is processed depends on the individual personality.

That isn't saying that anyone can simply shrug off the effects of traumatic situations, simply that it doesn't automaticaly mean that the situation around the child doesn't 'have' to become 'learned behaviour' to be followed through in later life.

Hence I don't accept an adult using their childhood as an excuse for negative behaviour... part of the reason maybe, but no excuse to get away from personal accountability.
 
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2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of
adults that they lived with in their childhood?


See #1
 
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3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long
years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?


You know some of My professional background and the training I did within that. So You know My low opinion of a lot (not all) forms and reasons for, therapy.

There is one 'first step' is anything of this nature and whatever method is used to reach and achieve that first step is a good thing, including therapy.... Taking personal responcibility for current actions. Stopping using the reason that makes the person pre-disposed to that pattern of behaviour as an excuse to indulge in that behaviour. That is the first step in breaking the pattern of it.

My parents smoked, I smoke, I am addicted which is a reason I will pick up and light My next cigarette.... but in doing so I am making a CHOISE to continue the pattern rather than put the work in to change that pattern. Those are REASONS the pattern is there but not an excuse that stops Me addressing it IF I CHOOSE to do so. I am responcible for the fact that I smoke, no-one else. If I let them be viewed as excuses I would be in denial of My part of it, in accepting My part in it I access My CHOISE to change it.
 
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1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach
when you think of something or someone?


A feeling I have only ever had when they have betrayed Me in some major way and I am still raw over it.
 
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2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you
will suffocate from it?


It is a feeling just like any other and I know it will pass with time.
 
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3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting-
in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?


In Me what you adress in this question isn't linked with the prior question. In fact that feeling would block My ability to play and playing would not touch the feeling anyhow unless the person causing the betrayal was the one right in front of Me... and then it definatly wouldn't be 'play' and certainly not safe! It is somewhere I choose not to go!

I guess it is hard for many to accept that when I (And other sadistic types I know) am drawn to cause pain in the manner of WIITWD, it is part of caring. Examining, playing, stretching, toying with, drawing out all the hidden emotions and reactions... there is an intimacy, familiarity and enjoyment that isn't rooted in any negative emotion at all.
 
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4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?

 
(You may say because I wouldn't do anything with anyone unless I have their consent)
 
But..What if you feel you can't stop yourself? Truly dig into your soul for this answer. For it is this answer that I need the most, to be answered with up most honesty.


You can stop Yourself.... In My teens I didn't. I would seek out the biggest, meanest bullys in the area and pound them for some slight that I had (in hindsight) delibratly looked for.  That was the fire unfocused and out of control... but it made Me someone I disliked and besides it didn't quench the flames anyhow because... as I later realised, the negative emotion of the way I was finding to express it was at odds with the part of Me it was based in.... instead of cooling the flames I was in effect pouring petrol on them... creating a spiral of violence, the more I got, the more I wanted.

With a little more maturity I was able to become a little more self aware, take that personal responcibility. Work out what I needed and look at getting it in a positive manner.

Yes if I go too long without having that outlet for that part of My nature I do feel the draw, I can get snippy and find Myself looking for excuses.... But *I* am responcible for My actions. I nip that in the bud, laugh at My own stupidity because, as I learned back then  that isn't a way that can sate the fire..... For that I need someone I care about, I need consent.... but above all, I refuse to ever return to being someone I dislike and who's actions let Me down.


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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 6:13:54 AM   
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I was going to go through and answer the questions, then I read this and aside from the need to replace the gender of desired sub/slave, MHathor's words are exactly my own feelings.


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1. Do you believe that children learn what they live?  Yes I have a very vocal opinion on this, which I will withhold as you did not ask for it...
 
2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood? Not neccesarily---for children at times, get this aversion that they want, desire and are driven to better--they also get the aversion to be driven to the illegal, immoral---and IMHO  most of it in the name of love and acceptance.
 
3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?  It takes a ton of work, sometimes they can, sometimes they cannot, wiring and the psyche are so very different from person to person---it comes with the ability--nay the realization of tthe barrier and the strength and fortitude to break it--for some--denial is the best, for others rewiring--for many its easier to stay in what is the known.
 
This ends the first part of my questions. Now comes the second part, which I think is more important, because it involves the physical reactions when we do wiitwd.
 
1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone? uhm not yet, but I'm working on it---:>)
 
2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it? I at times feel a sadness that I may not find "him"--and that causes Me great sadness--however, I know I will survive.

3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?  No, I accept it for what it is, though I have dismissed more than a few subs for seeking the "constant need of pain and punishment"--its not where My life is for now, yest I do at times feel the desire to hurt him, to make him cry, to rescue him from his pain--I have a new boy I am chatting with and I have no idea how I am going to explain that concept---
 
4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need? I have far too much to lose, and the thing I most pride Myself in as a Domina is control.  I had a married sub not long ago who I know wanted Me to say--tell Me to leave her--take Me and do what you will--and I would not---for life out there is real no matter what our proclivities.
 
(You may say because I wouldn't do anything with anyone unless I have their consent)
 
But..What if you feel you can't stop yourself? Truly dig into your soul for this answer. For it is this answer that I need the most, to be answered with up most honesty. There is not-- in My world, a can't stop--for as the Domina, I believe I am the one to guide and steer the ship, it is My responsibility to weigh and balance My needs and desires and often banish them, to walk away, to give them up, to say No--for the over all good, for the examples I need to set and for the growth of My "unit"--




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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 6:21:22 AM   
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Well, for someone who seems to think she's alone, I find there's a lot of people supporting you! *wink*.

You know, unless what you're afraid of talking involves under age or animals, I personnaly don't see what the big negative answer could be, or why you'd get deleted...

As for negative posts... yeah, it's true you'd be opening yourself, but then again, I think the assholes who'd be rude would get severe bites from the tonne of people who like you on this forum.

You sound like you're very lonely. I hope you reached out to someone and got to talk about what you needed to talk about.

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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 7:24:00 AM   
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quote:


1. Do you believe that children learn what they live?


Yes.... Do it is learning it.

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2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood?


Yes and No... As an adult we can learn to make different choices that are contrary to what we learned as children.  But, often we do live as adults much of what we learned as children.  It is a question of how to make those different choices... and that is no easy answer... even when you look at a specific situation.

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3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?


Yes.. and No....  Sometimes it works.... unfortunately... sometimes it doesn't.  I do believe that if the person truly desires to change...they will change.  But it will not be an easy thing to achieve.


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1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone?


No

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2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?


No....  These feelings and desires to don't control me... I control them.

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3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?


I don't have this hot burning sensation... desire.  Not a desire that builds to appoint that is unmanageable.  I have my desires.... but my desires don't control me... I control them.  I do and will entertain thoughts and feelings.... and enjoy these feelings.... but... if it is not the time.... I turn the volume down or shut them off and focus on what is more pressing to my priorities.

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4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?


I am rather confident what I do IS illegal in most places.  But, I don't judge what I do based on someone else's standards and morals.  I judge them based on my own.  I am not seeking comfort from the lifestyle communities or approval.  I starting doing this long before I was even aware that communities existed.... and frankly when I learned about them... it was great.... an opportunity to learn more.  I wasn't seeking a community for comfort or support.  In fact, I was very disappointed in general... for the community provide very little learning value of new things.  Much of what I did was beyond what the community was doing at the time.

As far as what stops me ... ME... I am in control of Me... not my desires.. not my thougths... not my feelings.  It's ME...... I have to judge and consider the consequences of my actions.  The consequences are as much about what the external world will bring as a consequence as well as my own internal moral conscience will bring as consequences.  I like who I am.... I like what I do.....  I will continue to make choices to continue to like who I am and what I do.  Within my sadism... I have alot of intense thoughts of what would be interesting to do.... but alas... I look at the My code...Do thy will, Harm none!  and so many of these thoughts break that code... but... I keep thinking of them.... since just maybe... I can figure a way not to harm them with what I want to do.

It is not their consent that gives me permission to do what I do... It is ME!  Their consent is only relevant because I choose to make it relevant.  I choose to make it relevant because it is necessary if I desire live by my code... Harm is a very dangerous business.... I desire to enhance a person's life as well as mine.  I live a Power Enhancing Lifestyle.  Both my girls are much better people because they are with me.  It's not because of who I am...but because of me pushing them to be better than they are.



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RE: I'm alone (I think) - 4/27/2008 8:34:17 AM   
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1. Do you believe that children learn what they live?
 
Yes.  But they do not learn what they are.  Upbringing can have a formative influence on behavior and expectations, but it does not create personality and orientation.  If it did, I would be a heterosexual submissive masochist--that was what the women in my family modeled for me as a child.
 
2. If so, do you think that those same children will grow up to be the type of adults that they lived with in their childhood?
 

Not necessarily.  People can resist the models they were raised with very strongly.  Most children only consciously choose to emulate the adults they grew up with if those adults are people they love, admire, respect, and/or want to be.  The one caveat, of course, is the behavior that people tend to imitate subconsciously, usually because they have not taken a step back and analyzed their actions and feelings in a fully awake state of mind.
 
3. What if, as an adult, they attempted to go through therapy, long years of therapy? Would that break the cycle of what they learned as children?

Therapy can shape behavior, responses, and provide all sorts of coping mechanisms.  It cannot "cure" someone's basic personality or desires, however, except by crushing the person's soul utterly.  This is what I have seen proven over and over by "cures" for homosexuality, D/S, transsexuality, etc.
 
Just in general, I think it is better to seek therapy that helps you to be happy and fulfilled as the person you are, rather than seeking therapy to change who you are.  But that is a personal opinion.

1. Do you have a burning hot sensation in the pit of your stomach when you think of something or someone? 
 
Pit of the stomach?  No.  Head about eight inches south.    It's a natural response to powerful desire--sexual adrenaline.

 
2. Is it a painful feeling that you must have release of, or you feel like you will suffocate from it?
 

I wouldn't call the lust described above a painful feeling per se--although it sucks when I cannot immediately satiate myself by riding a boy like Kali on a hot date. 
 
I do have other feelings that can be a bit frightening or alarming, though, when the need to dominate surges up suddenly.  Normally things flow very nicely and pleasantly for me--even at my most tormentful/sadistic I am generally calm and composed, a la Dr. Jeckyll--but there are occasional surges of feral passion which sweep through me and bring up a truly inhuman beast.  At that moment I can find my fingers hooked into talons with an almost uncontrollable lust to pounce and sink my claws into sweetly yielding flesh.
 
Mistress Hyde, at your service.  *bows*

3. When you talk about hurting your sub or your sub talks about wanting- in fact - needing the release that only pain can accomplish, do you feel that burning hot sensation in your stomach? Or do you just feel it, when you have the need to play? Or not feel it at all?
 
Not always.  The overwhelming "Mistress Hyde" sensation has never come over me when the object of the passion was NOT in my thoughts or my targeting reticule somehow; it is definitely focused on my lover and inspired by the intimacy between us.   

 
4. If what we do is illegal in most states, if not all, how do you cope with your own kink, when there is no one around to help you put out the fire that lies in your belly? I would like to say, obviously you can not just go out and grab the nearest person that you feel can fulfill your need, but is it that obvious? If what we do is illegal, than what stops you from committing an act against someone who is unwilling and most certainly not consenting to your need?
 

 
I am very fortunate in that my tendencies have been easily recognized for all of my adult life by submissives both male and female.  My first relationship at 18 was D/S, and every serious relationship I have had since then has had elements of it. 
 
As to what "stops" me...again, I just happen to be lucky.  The sexual or sadistic aspects of my dominance are very heavily contextual--they arise and are shaped by the person who triggers them, just like my other sexual behaviors and practices.  Sadism in particular rises and flowers in response to a person expressing masochistic needs--that sadism  may be a dark and thorny rose, but it still needs an energy source to bloom.  My submissive is that sun.
 
This is why I am not all that interested in subs who are conflicted or shamed by their masochism or submissive tendencies--those inhibitions burden me as well.  I get the most joy and mutual pleasure from someone who is happy to be herself/himself, and overjoyed to have found someone who can accept and fulfill the needs that drive a sub.  As my boykin puts it, "Sometimes you have to search long and hard to find someone who loves you enough to beat the everloving crap out of you."
 

But..What if you feel you can't stop yourself? Truly dig into your soul for this answer. For it is this answer that I need the most, to be answered with up most honesty.

I "stop" myself constantly, if by "stop" you mean "control".  This is simply a necessity and a fact of life.  I am a big and physically powerful woman.  My grip strength is such that if I dig my fingers into a human body at full power, I am easily capable of tearing muscle from bone.  I have enough muscle in my shoulders and back that if I punch repeatedly at full power, I can fracture ribs, rupture internal organs, or shatter the delicate bones of a human face like glass.  This is to say nothing of the harm I could do by kicking--I can leg press over 300 pounds.
 
The fact that I have physical power, however, is almost coincidental.  All dominants, of any size and strength, have a great deal of power to harm.  It doesn't matter if you weigh 90 pounds and can't heft your own purse--once you have a man or a woman tied up and a tool in hand, you hold the power of life and death.  The question is, what are you going to do with that power?  And why are you there at that moment?
 
The answer to this question that comforts me is:  I am here for my lover.  I have the ability to fulfill a potentially dangerous set of physical and emotional needs that my submissives have without doing permanent harm.  Furthermore, I am capable of doing this while loving and respecting any submissive as a person.  I am enjoying myself deeply, but I am also giving someone I care about an absolutely ecstatic experience which he or she would find it difficult or impossible to live without.
 
In short, I have no problem distinguishing myself from people who perform sadistic acts on unwilling victims.  I am playing.  I am capable of fulfilling a fantasy about being kidnapped and tormented; I have zero need or desire to kidnap and torture a complete stranger who would not enjoy it, and the idea makes me queasy.  I am capable of fulfilling a need or a fantasy that my submissive has of being shamed, humiliated, beaten or interrogated--I am completely devoid of any real hatred or contempt for him, and anyone who harmed him or insulted him in earnest would find out very quickly what I'm like when I'm not playing.
 
Again, I may just be lucky in this regard--if I had to cope with random urges to rape or harm random people, I think life would be more difficult.  On the other hand, maybe not...being in control is being in control, regardless of how and why you keep yourself in check.
 
Good questions, MoGa--never hurts to do a little soul-searching.
 
That's all I've got.  Hope it helps. 


< Message edited by ShaktiSama -- 4/27/2008 8:37:47 AM >


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