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Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 1:53:59 PM

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This is fucked up. Here's two direct threats to the US. Afghanistan supplies 98% of the world's opium for heroin. And direct emenies of the US like the Taliban openly tax these local farmers and use the money ot buy weapons. Anybody else find the problem with the situation of leaving the crops.

Strategically, the unit needs to evacuate the locals or at least give them warning before destroying every inch of crop there.

Shit like this is where our tax dollars and solider's blood are going. It's a waste of lives, time, and money.

Makes me goddamned angry.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 1:55:40 PM

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With out opium the farmers starve...makes them them join the Taliban.....more problems
This is old news btw.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:09:59 PM

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They're already financially supporting the Taliban financially if not in other ways. What's the diff?

The story reported at 6pm yesterday...not THAT old

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:17:06 PM

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It is screwed up but the truth. Kill the opium crops kill what little economy they have and like it or not that would exponentially breed terrorism.

Unfortunate but even if the U.S. had a competent executive branch that this would still be no easy fix as it will take decades and whole bunch of infrastructure to change their economy and even really cannot start that while there is no peace.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:19:25 PM

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What's wrong with opium?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:25:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

They're already financially supporting the Taliban financially if not in other ways. What's the diff?

The story reported at 6pm yesterday...not THAT old

I am sorry....the fact is old..not the news ;)
It was reported in the beginning of last years in the news here.

nothing else will grow there also. They tried rice/flowers, but due to shootings and stuff..they couldn't build irrigation.
So they allowed the farmers to have opium again.

well better controlled harvests..then harvests by Taliban

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:26:04 PM

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HippieKinkster...you didn't pay attention to where the money goes did you? Let's not get into the number of drug related deaths in the US. I'm all in for a little smoke here and there...this shit ain't just a "little smoke."

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:36:51 PM

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quote:

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HippieKinkster...you didn't pay attention to where the money goes did you? Let's not get into the number of drug related deaths in the US. I'm all in for a little smoke here and there...this shit ain't just a "little smoke."

Oh, I know a little about drug prohibition. Which kills more people, opium or aspirin?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:39:28 PM

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They're already financially supporting the Taliban financially if not in other ways. What's the diff?

Chiefly, the body count and where it's located.....

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:43:34 PM

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Plus, to make morphine somebody's got to grow poppies, don't they? How convenient for the drug manufacturers pushing their artifical opiates down our drips that peaceful peasants growing poppies are being portrayed as Satan's spawn .

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:44:39 PM

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Again...these are people supplying for a known enemy. In many other situations during these military actions innocent civilians with no direct ties to known enemies have been killed. These people have open and obvious ties to the Taliban. I believe there is a way to go about this to offer protection or relocation for those who wish to make a change. I also do not think it's an acceptable "option" to simply "let it be." They may as well be handing over American lives and money to enemies.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:45:43 PM

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This is not the only place that opium is grown. There are controlled fields that do NOT supply aid to known enemies. And the vast majority of the poppies grown in Afghanistan are used to make heroin...not percription drugs.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:46:16 PM

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I say that we work with them and we control where the product goes. Modern medicine still uses a number of opiates. We allow our farmers to grow all the food they want and we give them a better outlet for that money than the terrorists. Make it better for them to work with us than with the Taliban. We would even be able to put more Americans to work again who have been screwed over by bad economic policies.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:47:33 PM

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So you are all for killing them?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:49:14 PM

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Hmmmm... two years ago, this was discussed at a World Bank meeting:

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Afghan opium: License to kill
By Pierre-Arnaud Chouvy

More than 60 delegations, mostly countries but also some multilateral agencies such as the World Bank, meet in London for two days this week to tackle development issues for Afghanistan. One of the more controversial topics to be tabled is how to deal with Afghanistan's opium fields, which last year produced about 4,200 tonnes of raw opium.

Asia Times

Guess why it's so controversial?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:49:32 PM

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I'll quote myself " I believe there is a way to go about this to offer protection or relocation for those who wish to make a change." And those who wish to continue to supply for a known enemy...well..they don't get help. Open fire is exchanged around these people daily. If you think they aren't at risk now...then you're delusional.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:51:26 PM

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quote:

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This is not the only place that opium is grown. There are controlled fields that do NOT supply aid to known enemies. And the vast majority of the poppies grown in Afghanistan are used to make heroin...not percription drugs.

There is an error in your thinking.

Just because a significant amount of money that funds the Taliban there comes from the drug crops does not mean all the drug crop money goes to support the Taliban.

The drug crop is supporting ALL the people in the country to a certain extent. Not just the bad guys.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:52:26 PM

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That surely will help with decreasing the risks from terrorism.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:53:37 PM

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The growing of opium is allowed by the VN/Nato..to reduce problems.
They had reduced the amount of opium farmers, but then they got into more problems. And they could only focus on 1 problem..so they allowed opium farming again.

Btw I think most stuff from Afghanistan goes to europe and the east. The stuff for the USA comes form middle America. ( just a guess)

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/7/2008 2:53:38 PM

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You're right it's not just supporting the Taliban. It's supporting several other illegal groups and activities that threaten the US on many level. So I guess it's okay then to continue to not address the issue in a way that actually gives results?

GREAT! The soultion to the problem...allow the problem to continue. Fucking amazing, no wonder I didn't think of that first!

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