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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 5:56:38 AM   
MadameXTC


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Status: offline 		The only way I think when it comes to hard issues is put yourself in their shoes.. Now if you were a farmer and there was a war raging all around you and you needed to grow something to support your family and opium is all you could produce, what would you do? Well I would grow the item that would survive and do what I had to in order to feed my family and take care of those that I am responsible for. If someone comes betwee me and my existance hell yeh I would became bitter and want to do something about it.. IE joining people who are against my enemies. Now if you know that the goverment that is in your country that really shouldnt be there is doing things to threaten your way of life would you be pissed? When you look at it from their point of view and not from OUR point of view you can see the big picture. Yes what they due ultimatly has a negative effect on the United States, but who is there looking out for them? Most of the time people have to look out for themselves in whatever way they can in order to survive. I am not anti troops or anti war. I am just thinking that our government is not big enough to be everyone's hero. We get way too involved in other people's wars. What ever happened to doing the job going in and getting out with the least amount of casualties involved?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:00:38 AM   
DomAviator


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The Bureau of Traffic Safety has no record of the tail numbers of Flights 11 and 77, nor any record of their take off time - and recording that information is what the BTS does. Conclusions: those planes did not exist, did not fly.


There is no "Bureau of Traffic Safety" that has anything to do with aviation LOL Perhaps you mean the NTSB? (National Transportation Safety Board, which under Part 830 is responsible for investigating aircraft accidents) Your imaginary BTS may not have records but the NTSB does....
 




Current
Synopsis

PDF
Report(s)

Event
Date

Probable
Cause Released

Location

Make / Model

Regist.
Number

Event
Severity

Type of Air Carrier Operation
and Carrier Name (Doing Business As)



Probable Cause  

Factual ,
Probable Cause

9/11/2001  

3/7/2006  

Shanksville, PA  

Boeing 757  

N591UA  

Fatal(44)  

SCHD Part 121: Air Carrier United Airlines  


Probable Cause  

Factual ,
Probable Cause

9/11/2001  

3/7/2006  

Arlington, VA  

Boeing 757-200  

N644AA  

Fatal(64)  

SCHD Part 121: Air Carrier American Airlines  


Probable Cause  

Factual ,
Probable Cause

9/11/2001  

3/7/2006  

New York City, NY  

Boeing 767-200ER  

N612UA  

Fatal(65)  

SCHD Part 121: Air Carrier United Airlines  


Probable Cause  

Factual ,
Probable Cause

9/11/2001  

3/7/2006  

New York City, NY  

Boeing 767-200ER  

N334AA  

Fatal(92)  

SCHD Part 121: Air Carrier American Airlines


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So perhaps two of those planes were scrapped already. Or they did repaint the tailnumber and those planes are now used someplace where nobody will ever look for them.
And again - they were late model planes so they wouldnt be scrapped. 334AA was built in 87 and entered service in 2000. You dont junk 1 year old planes! And again if they were repainted THOUSANDS of false log entries would have to be made, and thousands of serial numbers changed, and thousands of ficticious sign offs occurring using thousands of license numbers all from airmen - pillots, mechanics, repairmen, avionics techs, etc all willing to keep their mouth shut., The only way to keep a secret between three people is if two are dead - you think 5,000 mechanics, pilots, plant workers, repairmen, avionics techs, dispatchers, FSDO inspectors, IA's , DER's etc will all keep their mouthes shut LOL

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Oh yeah? Then pray tell me when those planes prior to their alledged flights were provided with victuals and toilet paper, and in what amounts by what supplier, in fact the names of the individuals that did the supplying. Never heard anything about that. Rather difficult to supply two planes that do not exist, isn't it?
In fact there are flight plans, dispatch logs (no part 121 flight leaves without a dispatch release, a load manifest, flight release, and flight plan.) Would be kind of tough for a dispatcher to file, and get the FAA to accept a flight plan and dispatch release, on a non existant plane.... No make that IMPOSSIBLE.

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Lots of stuff vanishes and comes back again somehow. Ask any cattle thief.
What number was on the toilet seat of those planes? (Passengers want to know.)
Cattle do not have part numbers on every organ and log entries signed off by thousands of professionals. I dont have the toilet seat part #, write boeing they can tell you or contact your local FSDO and file a freedom of information act request.

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We ought to erect a statue dedicated to the Unknown Thief.
 


Or we oughta realize how stupid this conspiracy nonsense is and accept what you saw with your own eyes... THE PLANES WERE CRASHED INTO THE BUILDINGS. Period. Stop listening to idiots touting conspiracy crap from non existant government agencies etc... The Bureau of Traffic Safety" The FAA and NTSB have the records you deny exist . For example here is the info for N334AA:  



Aircraft Description



Serial Number
 
22332
         
Type Registration
 
Corporation

Manufacturer Name

BOEING

Certificate Issue Date

01/06/2000

Model

767-223

Mode S Code

50722254

Year Manufacturer

1987

Cancel Date

01/14/2002

Reason for Cancellation

Destroyed

Exported To









Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration




Name
  
FIRST UNION NATIONAL BANK TRUSTEE

Street

ONE RODNEY SQUARE



920 KING STREET SUITE 102

City

WILMINGTON             State     DELAWARE            Zip Code
   19801

County

NEW CASTLE

Country

UNITED STATES







Airworthiness


Engine Manufacturer
  
GE
                                            
Classification

Standard

Engine Model

CF6-80 SERIES

Category

Transport












A/W Date

04/10/1987






Other Owner Names
None


Feeling dumb yet?????

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:15:06 AM   
Rule


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"The Bureau of transportation website contains search pages, where one can pull up detailed statistics about the history of which flights have been scheduled for which airports on any given day. Go to http://www.bts.gov/ntda/oai/index.shtml
and click on "detailed statistics" where one can search records of scheduled and actual departure times, arrival times, diversions and cancellations by departure airport, arrival airport, airline and flight number.
Searches for Sept 11 2001 reveal that the flights AA 11 and AA 77 did not exist. They were not scheduled that day. Here are the search results which I encourage everyone to check for themselves.
A search for UA flights from Newark on Sept 11, 2001 shows 0093 to SF was scheduled at 8.00 and actually departed at 8.01. It is listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.
A search for UA from Boston on that day shows 0175 to LA was scheduled for 8.00 and actually departed at 7.58. Also listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.
The term "diverted" does not specify any differentiation between legally diverted, hijacked or crashed, so the data gives no indication one way or the other as to truth of the official story about what happened to them, but it does confirm that they departed as per the official story and did not arrive at their destinations.
A search for AA flights from Boston that day does not list 0011. The earliest scheduled AA flight to LA that day was 0181 at 11.00
A search for AA flights from Dulles that day does not list 0077. The earliest scheduled AA flight to LA was 0135 at 11.15.
Here's a different search method. By returning to the search page URL listed earlier, and clicking on "summary statistics ", one can find the historical reliability and punctuality of specific flights over a period of time, by specifying the airline and flight number and defining the time period. The search then returns figures on average delays in departure and arrival times and percentages of cancelled or diverted flights.
If one searches specifically for UA 175 or UA 93 narrowed down to sept 11 only, the search returns the result of "diverted" for each flight. A similar search for either AA 11 or AA 77 on that date returns "no data found".
If you search for AA 11 or AA 77 on different days, you will find that they were regularly scheduled flights right up to Sept 10. AA 11 was scheduled daily from Logan to LA at 8.00, and AA 77 from Dulles to LA at 7.45. On Sept 11, they were not scheduled. Not cancelled. Just not scheduled.
On Sept 12, they re-appear in the schedule (obviously as cancelled for the next few days) up until Sept 20 when both flights change their numbers.
Thus the official figures from the Bureau of Transportation statistics indicate that neither AA 11 nor AA 77 flew on Sept, 11 2001. This solves the question of what happened to them. Nothing. Because the flights did not exist."

End quote

Also see this website for similar and more: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:24:59 AM   
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The Bureau of Traffic Safety has no record of the tail numbers of Flights 11 and 77, nor any record of their take off time - and recording that information is what the BTS does. Conclusions: those planes did not exist, did not fly.



Summary Statistics Flight Number

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On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics.


From the site you have provided, in a summary search on stats for AA Flight 11.

Looks like acknowledgement of existence to me....



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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:25:18 AM   
orfunboi


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I mean, other than you sounding liking your stoned while you post....


Oh and did ya know, we never landed on the moon either....

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:30:17 AM   
DomAviator


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Status: offline 		Garbage sources going to a dead link.... that has NOTHING to do with aviation operations flight plans etc... What you are looking for is http://aspm.faa.gov/fsds/entryFSDS.asp and you cant have it for obvious reasons. However, as someone who TRAINS AIRLINE PILOTS, FLIGHT ENGINEERS, and AIRCRAFT DISPATCHERS, who has logged over 12,000 hours of flight time - more than 10,000 of it in turbine aircraft, and who has forgotten more about aviation than you will ever know Im not going to argue with you about it.... You are wrong and the conspiracy you suggest is so whacked that its not even remotely plausible unless 5,000+ people all decided to lie together and take their treason to their graves. PERIOD. You just got done saying neither flight existed and I showed you the tail numbers accident reports and registration history on one of the "imaginary planes that didnt exist" Give it a rest you are only making yourself look crazy. Do you not remember that millions of people saw the planes hit???  Dont argue with people who actually realize how stupid what you are proposing is. Cliff Claybourne syndrome ya know?

Edited to add: OMG he doesnt even have his source right the BTS is the BUREAU OF TRANSPORTATION STATISTICS not "Traffic Safety". Thats a number crunching thing - NOTHING to do woth operations or safety, they crunch numbers on how many miles driven on highways, how many flights flown, etc just for DOT budget purposes. Thats like asking the ward clerk in the ER to read a CT scan LOL.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:30:42 AM   
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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:39:35 AM   
Rule


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they were late model planes so they wouldnt be scrapped. 334AA was built in 87 and entered service in 2000. You dont junk 1 year old planes!
Quite, but would not a thief like to steal them, or do insurance fraud if they did not exist?
And what is this about being built in 87 and entering service not earlier than 13 years later?
 
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
And again if they were repainted THOUSANDS of false log entries would have to be made, and thousands of serial numbers changed, and thousands of ficticious sign offs occurring using thousands of license numbers all from airmen - pillots, mechanics, repairmen, avionics techs, etc all willing to keep their mouth shut., The only way to keep a secret between three people is if two are dead - you think 5,000 mechanics, pilots, plant workers, repairmen, avionics techs, dispatchers, FSDO inspectors, IA's , DER's etc will all keep their mouthes shut LOL

I am not a plane thief nor a magician. Surely there must be someone with an idea on how to pull this off?

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
In fact there are flight plans, dispatch logs (no part 121 flight leaves without a dispatch release, a load manifest, flight release, and flight plan.) Would be kind of tough for a dispatcher to file, and get the FAA to accept a flight plan and dispatch release, on a non existant plane.... No make that IMPOSSIBLE.

I dunno about that. What I do suspect is that the top magician forgot about supplying his non-existent planes. So I repeat: when were those planes prior to their alledged flights provided with victuals and toilet paper, and in what amounts by what supplier, in fact the names of the individuals that did the supplying. Do the airplane companies have a receipt for those supplies? Did they pay for them? Where is the evidence? Where is the sob story interview with the personnel that did allegedly supply those planes?

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Cattle do not have part numbers on every organ and log entries signed off by thousands of professionals. I dont have the toilet seat part #, write boeing they can tell you or contact your local FSDO and file a freedom of information act request.

Nah, I am apathic and don't want to get murdered. Why don't you?

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Or we oughta realize how stupid this conspiracy nonsense is and accept what you saw with your own eyes... THE PLANES WERE CRASHED INTO THE BUILDINGS. Period.
I am sorry, but I was not an eyewitness. I saw nuthin except some special effects footage that don't prove nuthin. Quite a good show, entertained the whole world. I guess Bush' card these days says: president & show master.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:45:38 AM   
Rule


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On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics.


From the site you have provided, in a summary search on stats for AA Flight 11.

Looks like acknowledgement of existence to me....

No. They got caught in a lie regarding the two non-existent planes and made up a new lie to correct the situation. Note that the two other flights that indeed did take off previously had their data recorded. For more information see the second link that I provided at the bottom of that post.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:48:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow.  I have to say that denying that SOMETHING hit those buildings is complete lunacy.  I still have to say that the facts hold up to planes.  If not, why did all those passengers die?  Were they taken out to a field somewhere and shot to make it a better story?
And for the record, you can call or write boeing ANY TIME you want without being murdered.  People do it every day.  You sound like you are more afraid of disproving your fictitious theories than interested in getting any tangible evidence.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:52:05 AM   
DomAviator


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Quite, but would not a thief like to steal them, or do insurance fraud if they did not exist?
And what is this about being built in 87 and entering service not earlier than 13 years later?
Thats the date they were ordered. If you buy a 737 tommorrow, you can have it in I believe 2015? Then it needs to be completed... ie painted in your livery, choice of interior installed etc....and NO a thief wouldnt want it because you couldnt fence it... because the first piece that turned up blows it all to hell.  As for not existing - thats an easy one just get everyone in the boeing plant to lie, and thousands of suppliers to generate false part documentation, and dozens of inspectors including the FAA DER's and FSDO ASI's to sign off on an imaginary plane a few hundred times and you can get your insurance agent to cut ya a check. Oh yeah shes in on it too cause they also inspected the plane....
 
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I am not a plane thief nor a magician. Surely there must be someone with an idea on how to pull this off?
No because its IMPOSSIBLE!

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I dunno about that. What I do suspect is that the top magician forgot about supplying his non-existent planes. So I repeat: when were those planes prior to their alledged flights provided with victuals and toilet paper, and in what amounts by what supplier, in fact the names of the individuals that did the supplying. Do the airplane companies have a receipt for those supplies? Did they pay for them? Where is the evidence? Where is the sob story interview with the personnel that did allegedly supply those planes?
  Your right you dont know about that... I do LOL Youre talking out of your ass... All of the info you request is on the load manifest - fuel, catering, oxygen fills, landing fee, push back, ground start, etc.... Its all right there. Ever seen a load manifest or a flight folder? Oh thats right you havent....



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I am sorry, but I was not an eyewitness. I saw nuthin except some special effects footage that don't prove nuthin. Quite a good show, entertained the whole world. I guess Bush' card these days says: president & show master.
Que Twilight zone music.... See this is why birth control should be in the municipal water supply......

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 6:55:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Interesting is the disinformation that he included: four planes took off. It is a lie: only two took off and those two landed without a scratch.

Bullshit! Four planes took off. Two went into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, one into a field in PA. Those planes were destroyed. PERIOD. You know, its not like you can hide an airliner. You dont just repaint the tail number and call it good. Those planes have log books for the airframe, the avionics, each engine, maintenence histories going back to the very day that component rolled off the line. They are full of life limited components each of which have their own log books and records, complete with the sign off of the mechanic, flight engineer, or pilot who approved them for return to service. Something as simple as the VOR indicator in my Cessna, is accompanied by a log book entry every 30 days signed off with my name, license #, date, place of check, and bearing error. Then there is the annual sign off fron the A&P with IA who did my annual inspection, and the biennial sign off from the avionics shop, going right back to the red tag when it was originally sold. With any gap in those records - its garbage. Part 121 (airline) or Part 135 (commuter/charter) regulations are even tougher. On any airliner, they can account for the origin, source of supply, date of installation, service history, and disposition of every part of the aircraft right down to nuts and bolts. 


There is a well documented and ongoing problem with "counterfeit" parts within the airline industry, you read any of the top publication such as Flight and there is invariably a story in there somewhere on this subject.

In fact, even on my Cessna, if I replace a bolt or nut - with an AN approved one provided by an aircraft supplier NOT one from NAPA or home depot- i fuck up the threads on the old one with a grinder so it cant be accidentally reused . I then enter it as destroyed in the appropriate logbook, and log the replacement including the fact that it was purchased from XXXXX and I staple the invoice to the log page.

(For example lets say I cross thread a bolt. The following entry will be made in the airframe logbook: "AN5-26 Bolt on upper left oil cooler attachment point damaged by cross threading. Drilled hole was visually inspected and restored to service limits using tap. Defective bolt rendered unusable via grinding and discarded, bolt replaced with AN5-26 purchased from Chief Aircraft Supply. Torqued to factory specs, and safety wire replaced. Aircraft returned to service. Signed / Printed Name/ Dated / License # )

Airliners do not "vanish" and come back reborn, and you can bet you ass that even if they were parted out somewhere, somehow, a part would turn up blowing the whole "conspiracy". Frankly, four $150 million dollar apeice objects each with 200,000+ pieces of value do not simply "vanish" without anything turning up on the market.

They do, it's called re-registration! That being perdantic, but it has been an ongoing legally permissable activity for years, especially when one aircraft ownership means it changes countries. Airlines often re-register aircraft that have proven to be troublesome or seem to keep getting involved in incidents. However, there have been problems with Eastern European, Middle Eastern and African rogue operators using rogue aircraft under false serials, yet again something that is well documented. There is also a problem or aircraft being stolen to order, mainly for spares. My local airfield has two An-2's in full operational condition, they are made non-airworthy once parked in the hanger and the hanger doors locked tight as three attempts have been made to steal them! These are also a matter of record.

Sorry to blow the Bush bashing conspiracy but they were crashed....

Bush bashing is an easy activity, he lends himself to it sooo well. You have Bush, we had his favourite puppet Tony Blair, now we have Gordon Brown, it'll be interesting to see how high he jumps!

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 7:09:44 AM   
Rule


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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Garbage sources going to a dead link....
That is the internet for you: links go dead when time elapses. Never mind. This information got noted once by someone and that testimony suffices for me, being credible in my eyes.
 
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
that has NOTHING to do with aviation operations flight plans etc...
That is the point. The magician knew all about them flight plans, but forgot about the BTS. Mebbe he never did any commercial piloting, eh?
 
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
What you are looking for is http://aspm.faa.gov/fsds/entryFSDS.asp and you cant have it for obvious reasons.

Why not?
 
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
However, as someone who TRAINS AIRLINE PILOTS, FLIGHT ENGINEERS, and AIRCRAFT DISPATCHERS, who has logged over 12,000 hours of flight time - more than 10,000 of it in turbine aircraft, and who has forgotten more about aviation than you will ever know Im not going to argue with you about it....
So get off your but and tell me why you are wrong, for I most certainly do not know the difference between a tail and a nose. It is up to you people who do know that stuff to tell us who do not know how the magician performed his trick.
 
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
You are wrong and the conspiracy you suggest is so whacked that its not even remotely plausible unless 5,000+ people all decided to lie together and take their treason to their graves. PERIOD.
So assume a prior lie that causes all them 5,000+ people to tell the truth as they know it.
Look as long as nobody knows them toilet seat numbers and the numbers of them other 800.000 valuable parts, those planes will never be found. Why is not that information publicly available?
 
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
You just got done saying neither flight existed and I showed you the tail numbers accident reports and registration history on one of the "imaginary planes that didnt exist"
Anybody can fill in numbers on a form. Now explain why the BTS has records of all planes taking off, but no records of Flights 11 and 77. It is quite simple: the magician erred, forgetting all about the BTS and that he should have tampered with their records too.
 
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Give it a rest you are only making yourself look crazy.
It is better to be crazy and right than to be sane and wrong.
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Do you not remember that millions of people saw the planes hit???
No, I do not remember that. In fact it is darn difficult to find anyone credible that with his very own eyes witnessed them events.

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Edited to add: OMG he doesnt even have his source right the BTS is the BUREAU OF TRANSPORTATION STATISTICS not "Traffic Safety". Thats a number crunching thing - NOTHING to do with operations or safety, they crunch numbers on how many miles driven on highways, how many flights flown, etc just for DOT budget purposes. Thats like asking the ward clerk in the ER to read a CT scan LOL.

Well, whatever. The magician forgot about them and fooled up. That is what is important.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 7:11:17 AM   
DomAviator


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Yes counterfits are a concern... hence the reason I note the source and staple the invoice to the log. However, those are counterfits as in chineese knock offs using real part #'s and counterfit documents. My point is that if compressor section # 123XYZ456 was in the left engine of United 93 and then showed up in a rebuilding shop the shit would hit the fan. (Pun intended)

As for reregistration - the logs still follow. You dont get a virgin N number. I changed the N number in a Cessna 150 once because I thought I would be cute and use my then wifes initals... Well suffice it to say when I divorced it was no longer Lima Charlie :) There is still a paper trail on it and the logs indicate the change in N #.

Yes rouges, esp in africa, operate stolen aircraft as do south american drug smugglers. But they dont use late model 57's and 67's. You have a lot more danger of having an old DC3 stolen or a navaho chieftan than a B757 or 767 heavy metal in livery colors attracts attention. Remember worldwide, in all variants including frieghters, there are just over 1000 767's... Kind of a small community to hide a big item....  

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 7:24:40 AM   
Rule


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Wow.  I have to say that denying that SOMETHING hit those buildings is complete lunacy.
Thank you for the compliment. (Of course ordinary humans will call a supergenius a lunatic.)
 
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ORIGINAL: Irishknight
I still have to say that the facts hold up to planes.
What facts? You do not even know the numbers on the toilet seats of those planes. Nor whom supplied them with toilet paper prior to allegedly taking off.
 
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ORIGINAL: Irishknight
If not, why did all those passengers die?
If two of them four planes never took off and the other two landed without a scratch, then how many of them passengers did die? (It is a simple calculation of the form X times zero equals zero.)
 
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ORIGINAL: Irishknight
Were they taken out to a field somewhere and shot to make it a better story?
Please stop making unsupported wild guesses.

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight
And for the record, you can call or write boeing ANY TIME you want without being murdered.  People do it every day.

So why do not you?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 7:24:54 AM   
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This is fucked up. Here's two direct threats to the US. Afghanistan supplies 98% of the world's opium for heroin. And direct emenies of the US like the Taliban openly tax these local farmers and use the money ot buy weapons. Anybody else find the problem with the situation of leaving the crops.
Strategically, the unit needs to evacuate the locals or at least give them warning before destroying every inch of crop there.
Shit like this is where our tax dollars and solider's blood are going. It's a waste of lives, time, and money.
Makes me goddamned angry.
boi


This has probably already been said but is solely my response to the OP without reading the other posts since.

A war should have clear objectives this wasn't one at the outset. Fine in principle destroying these crops but what are these farmers going to replace their livelihoods with? Is it even the right of an occupying force that is only there to support the government to ignore the debates going on within the government and force a solution? How would that look to supporters of the Taliban if the US once more refused to let the Afghan government deal with this internal issue?

As for the Taliban taxing farmers opium crops yes they do and if the major export was only soy or some other crop they would tax that instead. Strip away demand for the drugs and cut the supply of drugs in transit, this is the way you'll find the key players making money out of this trade. Crime detection involves letting some crimes succeed in order to establish intelligence as to who to go after with prosecutions.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 7:46:48 AM   
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NO a thief wouldnt want it because you couldnt fence it... because the first piece that turned up blows it all to hell.
You saying one of them captains of industry cannot fence a product like for example a plane to for example China? What are they: incompetent?
 
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As for not existing -

As in not taking off as not recorded by the BTS.
 
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No because its IMPOSSIBLE!
It happened, so it is not impossible. You simply dunno how to steal a plane.

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All of the info you request is on the load manifest - fuel, catering, oxygen fills, landing fee, push back, ground start, etc.... Its all right there.
So where is your link to them load manifests? Where is the evidence that the caterers were paid? What personnel did the catering?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 8:24:43 AM   
DomAviator


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Status: offline 		This is my last response to you on this stupidity because I have to get ready soon to go fly a plane that wont be entered in the BTS site either, though it will surely exist. Besides, its no fun. Winning a gold medal in the special olympics is no achievement - look what Im competing against LOL. However,

1) NO they could not fence it to China as it is too hot to handle. There are a total of 962 B767's IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD. (962 delivered out of 1011 ordered) Of those 962 - 102 belong to Delta , 11 have been lost in accidets, UPS has 49, Continental 16, and so forth. Its not like a Ford Mustang.... IF YOU SHOW UP AT AN AIRPORT PAINT SHOP, WITH A 767 IN COMPANY COLORS, WITH A COMPANY INTERIOR, ETC somebody will notice!!!! Air traffic control will say WAIT, AA doesnt serve this airport whats that doing there??? Where do you get the pilots who want to throw away their licenses and 200K jobs? Fopr christs sake HOW DO YOU EVEN START IT AND GET A PUSHBACK? You dont use a slim jim and be gone in 60 seconds. You need a ton of paperwork, dispatch, landing fees, customs clearance, etc. Assuming you COULD steal it, then what do you do with it cause all the parts are useless as they are serialized to a destroyed aircraft and wouldnt have logs!

#2 BTS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FLIGHT OPERATIONS. PERIOD. GET OVER IT. BTS can record how many times I shake my dick after I piss. They are NOT the FAA, they are not the NTSB, they are not ATC, they are a STATISTICAL AGENCY THAT HAS NO MORE RELEVANCE THAN THE CENSUS BUREAU.

#3 YOU CAN NOT STEAL A JETLINER SEE ABOVE. You can steal some private plane , run drugs with it and leave it abandoned on a strip in florida. YOU CAN NOT STEAL A 150 MILLION DOLLAR UNIQUE TO ORDER BRIGHTLY COLORED ITEM OF WHICH 962 were made and 951 still exist. Its not like you can drive it to a chop shop. If an AA plane lands where there is no AA gate, the first words will be COME TO THE TOWER!  Furthemore Mode S Code 50722254 means that EVERY RADAR SCOPE THE TRANSPONDER APPEARS WILL KNOW ITS THAT AIRCRAFT. Fly out of the US without the transponder you cross an ADIZ and the nice Navy men come up and land you at the nearest military base. PERIOD.

Finally I dont have the dispatch release and load manifest, the dispatcher does, the FAA does, the airline does, the operations center does,... Send in a FOI request and get a copy. The caterer doesnt get paid every flight airlines DO have credit you know. What personel did the catering is a stupid question - the caterers. In the case of United Airlines it will be United Services http://www.unitedsvcs.com/ go bother them LOL

Catch a clue for Gods sake. You have a one track mind and it is stuck in delusional fantasy. Really. Now, if you have any other thoughts on this topic address them to someone less intelligent than me because I think retarded people should be euthanized. Thats why I became a pilot instead of a Special Ed teacher...

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 8:46:27 AM   
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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/11/2008 9:05:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Much as I disagree with DomAviator on most points, I will say that what he says about the registration of every little part on a commercial aircraft is accurate. A friend of mine works for the European division of a certain US based aircraft manufacturer, on quality control prior to shipping, and he has told me (at length) about the processes and paperwork involved, which follows each part from QA through shipping through installation, use and decommissioning.

From a personal point of view, I would seriously doubt that high profile aircraft operators such as commercial airlines, would take any risk with possible counterfeit, defective or recycled parts unfit for use - whilst there are worldwide agreements on the liabilities of operators in the event an aircraft crashes, the adverse publicity and possible circumvention of such liability limiting conventions, would premeditate against undertaking such a risk since any accident might be ascribed to the use of such parts in the public mind or even at law, constituting a failure in duty of care in relation to injury and death, which in EU law at least, trumps any attempt at hiding behind a convention.

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