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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/8/2008 9:33:13 PM   
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Which kills more people, opium or aspirin?


  Per capita of users?  That would be opium/opiates, Hippie.  Both are naturally occuring substances that relieve pain.  Only one turns users into junkie-scum though.
You sure about that? I cannot find a source that breaks out DIRECT drug-related deaths. Direct would be overdose, since moderate use really doesn't do much. No liver damage, no brain damage, no nothing, really.  Unlike the NSAIDs.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm

I have not ever read about a plant containing aspirin.

My doctor doesn't want me to take aspirin at all except for a 81mg tab per diem for cardio purposes, yet he gives me oxycontin 20mg. 3 times a day. I must be junkie scum, eh?

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you? Just repeating the same tired trash from the "drug warriors". Why don't you educate yourself, if possible?

Why is it we Progressives can always find source materiel to support our positions, and the Regressives just babble and beat their chests? Such a mystery.




        Hippie, your link says exactly the opposite of what you tried to argue in the first place, and that is without getting anywhere near a per capita of users standard.  Why do you assume you can just throw out bullshit and get away with it?
 Um, the link I gave gives ALL illicit drug use, direct and indirect, deaths at 17K. Not just opiates and opium. In fact, it doesn't even mention opium, does it? It appears you don't know the difference between methadone and methamphetamine.

       
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Your statement about not knowing where aspirin comes from is pretty well contradicted by other posts, by you, on both sides of this one. 
Show me where I said I don't know where aspirin comes from. Show me. Quote it.  

        
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60 mg of oxycontin, daily?  I tend to reserve "junkie scum" for those on the illegal side of the market.  That dosage would produce a perma-stoned individual (whose personal opinion about their functionality would be irrelevant).  They might be occasionally amusing, but not someone worth the risk of trusting.  We've already established that your posts are completely inconsistent. 
So where did you get your medical degree? Where did you study pain management? What do you know about dosing? What do you know about side effects? I obtained a pretty good working knowledge of German whilst being treated for chronic pain. CalamitySandra can verify this; she's German born-and-raised. You couldn't do it on aspirin.

Fact is, you don't know fuck-all. And let me say this about you "tough guys" who denigrate people who use opioids (note the correct term) for pain management: I see you guys crying like babies at my pain docs. You all end up eating crow. It is my fervent hope that you suffer a good long excrutiating bout of chronic pain, just to see what it's like to have to live that way. 

The rest of that steaming pile of shit you polluted the forum with isn't worth commenting upon. 

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/8/2008 9:52:09 PM   
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Hippie how can you have a white coat in a shade of blue ? Surely that would make it a blue coat !

See, it's not a "blue coat' or "white coat", it's a "lab coat" that happens to be blue or white. Mine are broken in pretty well.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/8/2008 10:28:23 PM   
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It is my fervent hope that you suffer a good long excrutiating bout of chronic pain, just to see what it's like to have to live that way. 




         Well that's mighty Christian of you, Hippie.  Personally, I hope you find a path out of the haze of pain, meds, and bitterness.  It's possible.  One of my favorite relatives was on such a pain regimen (maxicontin?  She called Limbaugh a "bubblegummer.")  Ultimately, she saw the impact it was having on her family, and she flushed them.  I'm not sure how she copes these days, but she looks good.  Pain management isn't the center of every conversation anymore.  She gets around better, too.


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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/8/2008 10:51:40 PM   
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How about letting the Troops rob the growers when they get paid?
Whatever money they find they get to keep!
Now THAT will stop it in a year or two!
They're not going to grow a crop if they know they'll be robbed.
Or, round up a few dozen growers in each province and hang them in public.
And as for the Taliban or al qeada we really do need to start using chemical and biological warfare.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/8/2008 10:59:29 PM   
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How about letting the Troops rob the growers when they get paid?



I wonder if you are a recruiter for the radical islamics.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 2:03:58 AM   
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I'm sure I've forgotten something important.


Yup, you forgot to specify which device for meltingpoint determination you want. There are different principles on the market.

And what the hell do you want to do?


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I obtained a pretty good working knowledge of German whilst being treated for chronic pain. CalamitySandra can verify this; she's German born-and-raised.


Confirmed.



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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 2:04:59 AM   
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How about letting the Troops rob the growers when they get paid?
Whatever money they find they get to keep!
Now THAT will stop it in a year or two!
They're not going to grow a crop if they know they'll be robbed.
Or, round up a few dozen growers in each province and hang them in public.
And as for the Taliban or al qeada we really do need to start using chemical and biological warfare.


You know, this is a new low, even for you.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 2:57:38 AM   
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I agree with this part chem and or bio to eradicate the harvest...... or after it has been harvested salt the earth. and make that area one big salt lick.


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Or, round up a few dozen growers in each province and hang them in public.
And as for the Taliban or al qeada we really do need to start using chemical and biological warfare.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 3:14:10 AM   
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If you simply destroy the crop - you will have every Afghani fighting us, and you will have to spend a fortune to stabilise the country, and crime here will rise as heroin prices rise due to short supply. The advantage of this approach in theatre is that every Afghan becomes the enemy and we can employ total war, including concentration camps. It also goes down well with the electorate to treat a scapegoat (addicts in this case) harshly.

If you buy the crop and destroy it - crime here will rise as heroin prices rise due to short supply

If you buy the crop and process it and supply it to addicts here - there will be fewer drug deaths, less crime and a blow to organised crime. Done properly, this purchase will exclude funding, aiding or provoking support for the Taliban.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 8:05:56 AM   
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I wonder if "drugs" really are  as dangerous as moralists like to tell us?
I should think probably not.

Anyway whose to say one should not choose a short relatively happy life.
Legalise most drugs I say.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 8:24:03 AM   
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HippieKinkster...while I'm sure you think you're the only one in the whole wide world who's ever had to deal with chronic pain...you're not.

The Lady in Charge of this boi broke Her back in a care accident almost three years ago and had a spnial fusion. Since then She's had Her own chronic pain. What does this mean? It means I have first hand experience of being with Her through it...and so does Her amazing treating neurologist.

Effective means of pain management such as e-stim devices are being used more and more because they have less harmful side effects upon the body. Also, synthetic drugs such as fentanyl (yes, it's an opium derivative) are also less addictive and can be administered in a why that does not impare and individual the way that other opium dervived drugs are do...the patch is one of the most effective ways and remember to keep count of the days. (Guess who had to mark the calendar)

Get your head out of your ass. Drugs aren't the only way to deal with pain. And please pay attention to the part where it says that the primary purpose of those opium crops are to make heroin. An illegal substance in the US. Legalizing the drug will NOT get people to use it more safely. It will however, make it easier for dealers to get their hands on it by theft, and to pervert it into the drugs their pushing now.

I do believe when something becomes banned for whatever reason and to whatever extent "problem" with whatever it may be do rise. I also don't think just legalizing whatever it maybe will fix that either. Hash is an entirely different substance. And just like alcohol and other controlled substances, when used too much you end up with a junkie as well. Moderation mother fuckers. Learn it.

Now...I'm all in for a bunch of civilians buying Morton out of their reserves and a shipment "accidentally" getting unloaded over Afghanistan. Who's with me?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 8:45:28 AM   
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Lets all dress in Taliban costumes and steal it tomake fentanyl (that was the one you mentioned, right?) and other neccessary things.  Its not heroin yet.  Anyway, then we come in and give the people help after being robbed by those damned Taliban terrorists. 
It works in movies when they do stuff like that.  OK  Not a real plan.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 9:09:08 AM   
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Call me a bastard for it I don't care, but I think when we eliminate a threat to us caused by the actions of others, it's not our responsibility to make them feel "okay" becuase we eliminated the threat. They are supplying to a known enemy. They are supply opium strictly for the purpose of creating heroin. Not destroying that threat because they've made it their livelyhood is a diservice to those who have given their lives in call to protect our country...that includes the innocent civilians in our country who die daily in drug related incidents. And the cops who are injured and killed in drug related incidents.

It is NOT the US' job to make things okay with these people after we take care of business. Maybe instead of growing opium for the last thousand years they should have been working on new technology and growth processes to make it easier for them to survive without the opium.

I recall several revolutions in world histories where people who were tired of being ruled by unjust gov'ts did something about. To the point of death or being snuffed out all together. Because to do toherwise was cowardice and unjust to who they are as a people. Come to think of it...one of those peoples was us. Call me a shit head for expecting people to actually fight for some level of freedom and if they don't want to then it's their damned fault for being "slaves" to the opium trade and the Taliban. And it's their job to fix that problem...not our's.

It's THEIR job to get their shit straight. It's our job to eliminate threats and therefore protect our own. Allowing these fields to exist goes in direct opposition to that. destroy the fields. If those cowards wants to hide behind bullshit reasons like "it's all we know," and "the Taliban made us do it," then let them. They can be grouped in with the rest of the emenies then. I'm tired of loosing our countrymen daily to this bullshit.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 9:28:23 AM   
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Notice, I said "Not a real plan." 

As for them getting their shit straight, it'll never happen.  If we destroy what they have then we become Taliban recruiters. If we find a way to change the process slowly, we have a chance of not swelling the ranks of enemy combatants.  I don't want to see us do something that sends us back into the region in another 12 to 14 years after this mess is over or something that will keep us there for that much longer than is already planned. 

If we opt for the initial violence aspect then we should kill every man, woman and child in those areas and hide the bodies to keep the world from finding out or do that and frame the enemy.  Then we would not be adding to our enemies' numbers.  Salt the fields, they actively join the Taliban.  Burn the crops, they actively join the Taliban.  Right now, they are paying money to the protection racket style collectors of the Taliban.  Start ripping apart their known world even more and they will pick up guns and kill more of our soldiers.  THAT, I care about. 

If the rest of the world would just pull out of there, they would go back to killing each other within a few short years and I am completely alright with that.  And, I do mean pull out.  No food aid.  No monetary aid.  No medical aid.  No military presence.  They want us all out so we let them have their wish.  That would also mean no more student visas for people wanting to become doctors from the affected countries. 


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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 10:27:44 AM   
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It's THEIR job to get their shit straight. It's our job to eliminate threats and therefore protect our own. Allowing these fields to exist goes in direct opposition to that. destroy the fields. If those cowards wants to hide behind bullshit reasons like "it's all we know," and "the Taliban made us do it," then let them. They can be grouped in with the rest of the emenies then. I'm tired of loosing our countrymen daily to this bullshit.


So to which bullshit would you prefer losing our countrymen?

Ideal scenarios are great for idle chatter.  The real world, my dear, is neither so neat nor so tidy. 


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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 10:33:52 AM   
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Call me a bastard for it I don't care, but I think when we eliminate a threat to us caused by the actions of others, it's not our responsibility to make them feel "okay" becuase we eliminated the threat. They are supplying to a known enemy. They are supply opium strictly for the purpose of creating heroin. Not destroying that threat because they've made it their livelyhood is a diservice to those who have given their lives in call to protect our country...that includes the innocent civilians in our country who die daily in drug related incidents. And the cops who are injured and killed in drug related incidents.

It is NOT the US' job to make things okay with these people after we take care of business. Maybe instead of growing opium for the last thousand years they should have been working on new technology and growth processes to make it easier for them to survive without the opium.

I recall several revolutions in world histories where people who were tired of being ruled by unjust gov'ts did something about. To the point of death or being snuffed out all together. Because to do toherwise was cowardice and unjust to who they are as a people. Come to think of it...one of those peoples was us. Call me a shit head for expecting people to actually fight for some level of freedom and if they don't want to then it's their damned fault for being "slaves" to the opium trade and the Taliban. And it's their job to fix that problem...not our's.

It's THEIR job to get their shit straight. It's our job to eliminate threats and therefore protect our own. Allowing these fields to exist goes in direct opposition to that. destroy the fields. If those cowards wants to hide behind bullshit reasons like "it's all we know," and "the Taliban made us do it," then let them. They can be grouped in with the rest of the emenies then. I'm tired of loosing our countrymen daily to this bullshit.


BoiJen, what? What? Use Common Sense? In Washington? They can't do that!
Isn't there a law against that or something?
And what ever happened to "shoot on sight" as to al qeada and the Taliban?
Now people want to give them "trials?" Trials?
I thought combat was the pervue of the Military, not the Courts.
That's what happens when wars get politicised.
Oh, it isn't a "war" is it, the congress never declared "War" on the Taliban or al qeada. Doesn't anyone think that it's about time they did?
How do the Geneva Conventions apply if we haven't declared "War?"

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 10:44:26 AM   
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As I recall...things can be that neat and tidy in the real world. A couple of bombs shut the Japanese up not too long ago for doing something not too different than what happenend in 2001.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 10:52:43 AM   
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As I recall...things can be that neat and tidy in the real world. A couple of bombs shut the Japanese up not too long ago for doing something not too different than what happenend in 2001.


Hiroshima "neat and tidy".....errrr....yeah.

So, Alice, is it really that nice on the other side of the looking glass?


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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 10:56:55 AM   
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Folks, please don't let this degenerate any forther into personal attacks.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 10:57:00 AM   
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They won't let us use THOSE bombs anymore.  A couple of them might change a few minds.  They might also piss off the neighbors who have their own.

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