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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 2:34:03 PM   
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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 2:35:08 PM   
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Pff. The IRA was so heavily infiltrated by the British MI-numbers that there was hardly any that was not an MI-agent. That whole NI conflict was artificial.


Artificial?? It was anything but, you wern't blown off your feet at 3am on the Brighton sea front matey, I was! If that was artificial then I hate to see whats real!

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 2:37:56 PM   
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But you had fun, didn't you? Something exciting to tell at birthday parties.
 
Anyway, since then things in NI seem to have cooled down. That does suggest that the British were involved in the preceeding heat.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 3:18:57 PM   
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Close down the CIA and all those other three letter groups. (Won't work for long, though.)


I take it that you are suggesting iran contra sorts of things, where cia and military shipments were used to bring in drugs.......and not be searched by customs. Which were then brokered to criminals to get under the table funding for "black projects" that they did not want to have to pass through congress?



Those "black projects" included giving weapons to the Iranian Hostage Takers. Ollie North committed treason.

And now he has a talk show!



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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 4:10:24 PM   
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Pff. The IRA was so heavily infiltrated by the British MI-numbers that there was hardly any that was not an MI-agent. That whole NI conflict was artificial.


Another figment of everyones imagination then Rule ?  Yes the IRA ect ect were infiltrated, but an artifical conflict ?

It`s a shame really as your countless unproven and absurd claims, spoil the good posts you often make.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 4:30:01 PM   
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I wonder if "drugs" really are  as dangerous as moralists like to tell us?
I should think probably not.

Anyway whose to say one should not choose a short relatively happy life.
Legalise most drugs I say.

Some drugs are dangerous. I would not legalize amphetamines, and I'm on the fence about coca leaf extract. Phencyclidine is nasty and recent studies confirm that it causes cerebral lesions. MJ is fairly inocuous, and the opioids, when used in moderation, can be actually beneficial (this could be a long discussion, but consider that there are people who are born with deficient insulin production capability, unbalanced brain chemistry, and so on. New research indicates that some people are born with an inadequate number of opioid receptors. Use of opioids can help correct this deficiency, and help such people lead normal lives.).

At any rate, I have to marvel at the hypocrisy of some who claim to be BDSMers who run around moralizing about what others do.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 4:38:09 PM   
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It is my fervent hope that you suffer a good long excrutiating bout of chronic pain, just to see what it's like to have to live that way. 




        Well that's mighty Christian of you, Hippie.  Personally, I hope you find a path out of the haze of pain, meds, and bitterness.  It's possible.  One of my favorite relatives was on such a pain regimen (maxicontin?  She called Limbaugh a "bubblegummer.")  Ultimately, she saw the impact it was having on her family, and she flushed them.  I'm not sure how she copes these days, but she looks good.  Pain management isn't the center of every conversation anymore.  She gets around better, too.


      Have a nice night.

1. I'm not Christian
2. I've been retired for years. I can function better than you when I'm asleep.
3. I repeat my wish. People like you need to "get it".
4. I've seen much better ironic insulting on B.com about this topic, and people who are in chronic pain. Your efforts are astonishingly lame.

And, finally, where did I say I didn't know from whence aspirin came? Are you going to find the quote, or will you admit you lied, put your big girl panties on, and apologize?

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 4:40:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont think you can compare the impact of BDSM and the impact of drugs on society though Hippie. I think people would tolerate drugs more if they didnt cause crime like they do.

On the topic of destroying all the heroin crops, it would be ineffectual as users would just turn to other drugs. That was exactly what happened in Australia in around 2000. The way to solve it is to target why people take drugs, not what drugs they take.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 4:45:36 PM   
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How would you go about cutting off terrorist funding?


America did support terorists also in the past (perhaps still). It depends on which side you are on ;)
I recall their own weapons (delivered by CIA) were used on the soldiers in Afghanistan.



He`s talking about petro-dollars,the primary source of terrorist funding, today,here and now.

We should at the very least,cut that off.

Bush policy has only increased the amount of money going to the Saudis and from them, the money goes to the terror networks.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 4:47:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Drugs are associated with crime because drugs have been criminalised, unnecessarily. When they made booze illegal during the prohibition, voila - organised crime moves in. Now no-one goes blind drinking methanol or has shooting wars with the police over a case of scotch. A miracle? Hardly. Just good sense.



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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 4:50:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Zensee i dont disagree with that, but i was thinking of crime involving the user, and not the suppliers.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 5:09:32 PM   
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I dont think you can compare the impact of BDSM and the impact of drugs on society though Hippie. I think people would tolerate drugs more if they didnt cause crime like they do.

On the topic of destroying all the heroin crops, it would be ineffectual as users would just turn to other drugs. That was exactly what happened in Australia in around 2000. The way to solve it is to target why people take drugs, not what drugs they take.

Up until the US Congress bought into the racist BS and made certain substances illegal, those substances had been used for thousands of years in one form or another. They weren't much of a problem then, were they? Maybe the crime would practically disappear if certain substances were relegalized. And remember, much of the so-called "crime" lies in the act of possessing.

Anyway, as has been pointed out, much of the financing for "terrorism" comes from oil. If growing poppies in Afghanistan is somehow stopped (and I don't see how it can be; somebody earlier suggsted salt and helicopters. Helicopter, meet missile), it will just move to Pakistan or Tajikistan or Africa or Siberia or wherever. Poppies are grown in Canada and the US for sale. Not gonna stop it. The best way to curtail production is, ironically, let the free market take over. Demand is relatively fixed. If supplies increase, the price of the raw M goes down, and farmers switch to other crops. IMO.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 5:23:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Users would also benefit as stuff like rat poison wouldnt be cut with the drug to maximise profits.

Getting back to crime, we have a lot of petty thefts with users trying to feed habits.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 6:03:49 PM   
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Users would also benefit as stuff like rat poison wouldnt be cut with the drug to maximise profits.

Getting back to crime, we have a lot of petty thefts with users trying to feed habits.

Who would cut anything with rat poison? You're not thinking like a real capitalist here.

Yep, property crime in the UK is sky-high. Italy, too, I hear. So, if these substances were decriminalized, the price would come down (much of the price is in the risk), crime would drop, and, rather than being driven into an underground, addicted people could lead productive lives (much like doctors who are addicted).

Most laymen believe that all those who use frequently/daily are addicts. Medically, this is bullshit.
http://www.cpmission.com/main/painpolitics/aberrant.html
As I have stated, I have been casually researching chronic pain and its treatment for several years, and have read a whole lot of stuff from real researchers and actual studies, not from hysterical idiots who can barely spell "drug". One of whom is very easy to spot here.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 6:13:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		     Hippie;  I said "Both are naturally occuring substances."   You said "I have not ever read about a plant containing aspirin."

    The statement you are getting all hot and bothered about (or feigning such as a distraction) didn't follow anyway.  You tried to play stupid, between playing expert.  Aspirin is a synthetic of the active ingredient in willowbark tea.  Either you were lying when you claimed ignorance of that, or you were lying when you claimed to know all about it.  Whichever, it doesn't make you worth much of my non-retired time.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 6:14:37 PM   
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Users would also benefit as stuff like rat poison wouldnt be cut with the drug to maximise profits.

Getting back to crime, we have a lot of petty thefts with users trying to feed habits.


No,we need MORE rat poison so the fuckers will die off and quit pilfering everthing they can get thier hands on.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 6:37:59 PM   
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    Hippie;  I said "Both are naturally occuring substances."   You said "I have not ever read about a plant containing aspirin."

   The statement you are getting all hot and bothered about (or feigning such as a distraction) didn't follow anyway.  You tried to play stupid, between playing expert.  Aspirin is a synthetic of the active ingredient in willowbark tea.  Either you were lying when you claimed ignorance of that, or you were lying when you claimed to know all about it.  Whichever, it doesn't make you worth much of my non-retired time.

    Wish in one hand, shit in the other.  See which fills up quicker.

      
"I have not ever read..." (have no knowledge of) "...of a plant containing aspirin.

You said, "both are naturally occuring substances." This is flat-out wrong; unless you can find a plant which contains aspirin, it will remain wrong.

You said this: "Your statement about not knowing where aspirin comes from is pretty well contradicted by other posts, by you, on both sides of this one." There is no contradiction. Another falsehood from you. 

So, once again, "Show me where I said I don't know where aspirin comes from. Show me. Quote it." You cannot, because I never said it. You can weasel all you want, and try to deflect, but the fact is, I never said it, and your claim that I did is a flat-out lie. So be a man and admit you lied and apologize.

If anyone else can find where I said that "I do not know/have never read where aspirin comes from, I will happily withdraw my accusation and apologize to Heritic.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 6:59:49 PM   
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I'm sure I've forgotten something important.


Yup, you forgot to specify which device for meltingpoint determination you want. There are different principles on the market.

And what the hell do you want to do?


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I obtained a pretty good working knowledge of German whilst being treated for chronic pain. CalamitySandra can verify this; she's German born-and-raised.


Confirmed.


This one will work for me. Hey, as long as I'm doing Mettler.
http://us.mt.com/mt/filters/products-applications_analytical-instruments_thermal-values_fp62-meltingpoint-apparatus/FP_measuring_cell_fp62_0x00024948000281c70003f2d1.jsp
What do I want to do? Verify purity of recrystallizations.

I used an Orion pH/Conductivity/DO meter at Shell, but that was years ago. It's all changed now.

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 7:06:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		       U.S. drug policy has been a complete disaster.  There are several things we ought to be doing to bring some semblance of sanity to the system.

      First, we need to legalize cannabis, and treat it as we would alcohol.  Lots of money to be made there.  Same with items like hallucinogenic mushrooms or cacti.

      Second, we need to look at meth in different ways.  The attempts to fight it by restricting the precursors has produced a chemical hell-broth that INCREASES the harm speed-freaks do to themselves and the world around them.  And it's cheap. 

      Cocaine is hard.  For me, at least, I'm glad it is expensive and a pain in the ass to find.

       The restrictions on opiates (or whatever the term du jour might be) when it comes to the treatment of pain are downright criminal.  Beyond that, I have witnessed the impact of recreational use enough to have some pretty firm opinions about it.  Never trust a junkie. 

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RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan - 5/9/2008 7:40:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Getting rid of a few fields in Afganistan will never solve the problem.  There are way too many other places to grow the crop of opium.  Perhaps paying a higher price than the Taliban is willing to pay, refining some into pharmacudicals, and destroying the rest?

The major problem, IMO, is why the United States, Canada, Great Britan, and other countries are even in Afganistan.  I have not heard ANY information on what constitutes "winning" the war.  Do we just stay there and fight a war of attrition, hoping that they (the taliban) will someday just say, ok, we give, uncle.  Not going to happen.  Just look at history.  Alexander the Great got his army whupped in Afganistan.  The British, at the height of the Empire, got beaten in Afganistan.  The Soviets, at their strongest, could not defeat the Afganis, and they were just across the border, and were mercyless. 

I believe that it is time to stop this stupid, pointless war (and the one in Iraq).
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