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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 11:52:59 AM   
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Then i suggest you do a search because they do exist and they do have profiles even on this site and over on alt.com.  Like one other poster stated not all of them hate what they were.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 11:55:18 AM   
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Then i suggest you do a search because they do exist and they do have profiles even on this site and over on alt.com.  Like one other poster stated not all of them hate what they were.


uhhmmm.. one thing I know for sure.. I wouldn't hold up profiles on CM or alt as proof of existence...

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 12:00:16 PM   
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fully functional pre-op transsexual is very intriguing.


this does not exist.  once a transsexual starts to take hormones.  the sex drive goes down and eventually is gone with a non functional penis.  depending on the hormone type they are taking it can only take 1-2 yrs to be completely non functional.

Nonsense.  Of course they exist.  While some react to HRT in the way you describe, many make it all the way to SRS with functioning genitalia.

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a transsexual would not want you to use their penis in the first place.  most are repulsed by it (as said earlier in this thread).

Some, certainly.  Most?  I don't know if I would go that far.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 12:07:23 PM   
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as i said..it depends on the hormones they are taking.  it can take longer to have effect.  but once on hrt it isnt possible to be FULLY functional.  the loss of sex drive kicks in within a few weeks.  especially once breast growth starts and emotions kick in.  if they take spironolactone and premarin it can take longer time for effect.  if they take androcur, it is almost instant with the effect and completely rids sex drive and functionality and sperm.

if the transsexual is not repulsed by their penis.  then they are not transsexuals and should not be transitioning.  these types of transsexuals tend to commit suicde.  as many transsexuals have a problem distinguishing gender from sexuality.  not realizing that gender and sexuality have no relation to one another.  which is why transsexuals must see psychiatrists.



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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 12:34:46 PM   
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i am sorry if i offended anyone, which i think i did. i did not know the term shemale was offensive. ive seen it on lots of websites and thought that it was the right term to use.

sorry no offence intended.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 12:43:55 PM   
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how can any of you who are not intersexed or transgendered sit here and tell those who are what they should find offensive or not?  we all know the fantasy exists, a media fed myth in many instances.  do we have to sit here and have those born with the correct genitalia for their gender tell those who weren't what's what?  i think i know who the real experts here are, and those who have been blessed with not having that cross to bear should respect them and their attempts to educate and further tolerance and acceptance of everyone.
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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 12:47:59 PM   
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as i said..it depends on the hormones they are taking.  it can take longer to have effect.  but once on hrt it isnt possible to be FULLY functional.

Motility will likely be affected, but it's still entirely possibly to obtain an erection and ejaculate.  In so much as the OP is looking for a "fully functioning" transsexual, this certainly fits the bill.  I don't think he's looking to become impregnated.

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the loss of sex drive kicks in within a few weeks.  especially once breast growth starts and emotions kick in.  if they take spironolactone and premarin it can take longer time for effect.  if they take androcur, it is almost instant with the effect and completely rids sex drive and functionality and sperm.

BTDT, since 2000.  I know I'm not an outlier here.

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if the transsexual is not repulsed by their penis.  then they are not transsexuals and should not be transitioning.

This is the kind of garbage that used to be spouted in the 80's by the closed-minded demagogues who acted as gatekeepers.  Please join us in the 21st century where self-loathing and self-hatred aren't required for someone to be diagnosed as a transsexual.  We have cookies too!

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these types of transsexuals tend to commit suicde.

My experience is different, but then again, I spent a lot of time living in communities where you didn't have to hate yourself to be yourself.  For what it's worth, do you have any numbers to back up this "tendency"?

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as many transsexuals have a problem distinguishing gender from sexuality.  not realizing that gender and sexuality have no relation to one another.  which is why transsexuals must see psychiatrists.

You need to see a shrink in order to differentiate gender and sexuality?  That's news to me.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 12:55:12 PM   
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Pardon me for perhaps being ignorant.  While reading these posts, I THOUGHT it was referring to men, who CHOSE to only enhance their breasts with hormones.  Not someone who was pre- TS surgery.  A bi-male sub of mine,  had taken hormones in the past, and he would love to have breasts.  He is not interested in changing his gender, only adding to himself.  So, this was the only time I had heard the term SheMale used..and thought it was the only use of it.

I do work at a hospital which performs TS surgery, and the patients are treated with the utmost dignity.  Most are so grateful to finally be able to live their dream - how they feel they should have been born, in most cases. 

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 12:58:48 PM   
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i dont need #s when i know it as fact.  here in ontario the gov't fully funded such transitions until the suicides started in large amounts and in 1998 the gov't got fed up and stopped funding.  placed in a new standards of care as well that includes anyone who wants to go on hormone therapy or has gender/sexuality issues to see not 1 but 2 psychiatrists.

2 signatures from psychiatrists are required for surgery approval stating that the person is the gender they want to be and in fact is not crazy or confused.  plus living as a woman or a man (depending on the sex your changing to) for 1 year 24-7/365 before even getting on hormones.  as many trans do not always finish the transition and decide to stop.  it is a very stressfull issue.

toronto has a very high population of trans in the hundreds of thousands(not exaggerating)  this # is growing daily as more and more come out.  not to mention the amount of cd/tv and intersexed.  we have several streets in toronto devoted to GLBT with church st being the first and oldest one known for glbt.


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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 1:01:09 PM   
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I am flaming his apparent objectification and fetishizing Bounty...
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Wait a minute.
People are no longer permitted to fetishize and objectify on a BDSM/fetish website?

I rarely say this, but

What the fuck?


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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 1:11:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

i dont need #s when i know it as fact.

Facts can be proven.

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here in ontario the gov't fully funded such transitions until the suicides started in large amounts and in 1998 the gov't got fed up and stopped funding.  placed in a new standards of care as well that includes anyone who wants to go on hormone therapy or has gender/sexuality issues to see not 1 but 2 psychiatrists.

2 signatures from psychiatrists are required for surgery approval stating that the person is the gender they want to be and in fact is not crazy or confused.  plus living as a woman or a man (depending on the sex your changing to) for 1 year 24-7/365 before even getting on hormones.  as many trans do not always finish the transition and decide to stop.  it is a very stressfull issue.

I'm quite familiar with the SOC, thanks.  I'm just not seeing how any of the above substantiates your claim that transsexuals who don't engage in self-hatred aren't really transsexuals and tend to kill themselves.

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toronto has a very high population of trans in the hundreds of thousands(not exaggerating)  this # is growing daily as more and more come out.  not to mention the amount of cd/tv and intersexed.  we have several streets in toronto devoted to GLBT with church st being the first and oldest one known for glbt.

That's nice.  Irrelevant, but nice.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 1:18:25 PM   
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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 1:31:08 PM   
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"uhhmmm.. one thing I know for sure.. I wouldn't hold up profiles on CM or alt as proof of existence..."


i'm not.  Maybe i should have added that several years ago, more like 15 or 20 years ago, before i ever became involved with BDSM i personally knew several transgendered individuals.  It was really just not my thing back then.  They were great people and fun to be around but unfortunately throughtout the years we managed to lose contact with each other.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 1:49:30 PM   
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gives up...

Priceless.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 1:56:14 PM   
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how can any of you who are not intersexed or transgendered sit here and tell those who are what they should find offensive or not?  we all know the fantasy exists, a media fed myth in many instances.  do we have to sit here and have those born with the correct genitalia for their gender tell those who weren't what's what?  i think i know who the real experts here are, and those who have been blessed with not having that cross to bear should respect them and their attempts to educate and further tolerance and acceptance of everyone.
PM


If I may interject a point here. I'd like to state that even though I was born with male genitals and do identify as a male, I also have a step sister who was born with with both male and female genitalia and is quite proud to identify herself as TG. Granted I am not an expert on this subject and never will be. The point being is the fact that in the past 10 years, she has educated me to the best of her ability from her life experience pre and post operate. So in that respect, I have a greater understanding of the issues and bullshit that most intersexed people have to face dealing with "regular" society. So when a person like faery steps up and attempts to clear away the misconceptions and prejudices they face, I have nothing but respect and praise for her and what she is trying to do.

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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 2:13:12 PM   
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RE: Shemales - 5/15/2008 3:33:08 PM   
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To the OP: (if you're still reading this)

If you're going to approach a TS or TG person for sex, it's best to appraoch them as the woman they are striving to become... and not look at them as "a quick lay with boobs and a dick." It just doesn't work that way... Hell, finding a genetically born woman who wants to be treated like that would be hard enough!

As others, who are far more intimately involved with the process than I am, have said, what you are looking for is about as rare as unicorns. What you ARE looking for is a Dom male drag queen. I'd suggest that you cruise some of the drag shows in your area, and discreetly ask around who among the performers likes to a) stay in drag during sex and b) wears their keys on the left. Otherwise, leave the folks who are dealing with some pretty serious identity shit alone. They have enough to cope with without some "stage door Johnny" trying to get them betweent he sheets, only to want the one part of themselves they want to be rid of.

Oh, yeah... and please... own up to the fact you are bi, or possibly gay? You'll be a lot happier in the long run.

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RE: Shemales - 5/16/2008 4:35:55 AM   
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I'm sorry Stef, but based on my experience - and I realise you have valuable experience too - I feel Faery is closer to the mark with this one.

I have found there are several groups who desire transition;
a) genuine transsexuals (of various ilks)
b) intersexed people who dont realise they are
c) fantasists (generally crossdressers, but not always)
d) crossdressers who want to feminise more permanently
e) people with some GID which propels them down the line
f) psychologically damaged (rarely dangerous) people

a) will do fine, though its a difficult journey for anyone
b) will do fine, as long as they get the treatment
c) will usually not get anywhere, but where they do they regret it and end up depressed and suicidal
d) depending on how far they go, will do fine; SRS though is something they regret and end up depressed and suicidal
e) depending on how far they go, will do fine - its a delicate balance theyre striving for really
f) will usually not get anywhere, but occasionally do

The problem for all these groups and for the psychologists, psychiatrists and surgeons dealing with them in a national health service, is that it is very easy to get treatment - as long as one tells the right tale - which is easy to accomplish by virtue of the coaching that goes on via the web. It then becomes a problem for the psych and medical professionals to tell the genuine from those who have been coached. And where there is deception, it then becomes a problem in that suicide is a pretty poor prognosis for any treatment.

The result for national health services is that those who are genuine have to jump dozens of hoops along with the rest, because the process has to be rigorous enough to deter the rest - and yet it still sometimes doesnt work. In the meantime, the availability of private means for transition opens up a whole other can of worms in that if one has the money then one can get the treatment. And where there is only private means, this results in treatment according to wealth not need - which will often favour many of the groups who really shouldnt be getting treatment whilst disfavouring those who need it. 

I live in a semi-rural / semi-urban area of about 100 square miles. We nevertheless should and do have our share of genuine transsexuals as well as representatives of the other groups I listed. Yet according to population, we should not have the frequency of cases such as these (all in the last two years)

1) I get a call from a trans charity north of the area. Someone has phoned in, distraught - can I assist? This person has just had full SRS, they have never lived a day of their life as female.
2) I get a call from the local police. Someone has been repeatedly beaten up - can I assist? This person is so obviously female I cant believe they were ever noticed for such attention- yet cannot get an appointment with any national health service clinic as theyre living in a hostel.
3) I get a call regarding a known sexual predator, a highly disturbed and dangerous manipulator who seeks vulnerable victims - can I assist? This person has just had full SRS on the national health service.

And I personally know three transsexuals in this area who have the full transition and are living very happily.

What seems clear, is that not all those who request transition treatments are genuinely in need of it or will benefit from it. Yet some get through - and these are the "problem cases" which Faery and I have noted. It has nothing to do with self hatred at all - it has to do with whether the person is actually clinically transsexual or not, and the dire consequences of them receiving treatment where they are not.

Now I accept that being revolted by their penis is not a requirement of diagnosis - indeed in my case I'm not personally revolted by it, its there and always has been and one gets used to it much in the way one would get used to a birthmark. For me its a matter of indifference - if it fell off tomorrow it wouldnt be anything to bother me. But there is a world of difference between not being revolted and being totally enamoured with having a penis such as males are. I would seriously doubt the genuineness of someone requesting SRS who likes, enjoys, loves even, having a penis. And of course, some who are genuine dont (or cant) do the SRS and that doesnt make them any less genuine - but its surely grounds for questions to be raised if someone truly is genuine and yet likes, enjoys, loves even, having a penis? I have to say, the only physically male people I have ever met who present as female and yet fall into this category and welcome sexual activity with their penis, are crossdressers and others of the assorted unsuitable categories I listed above.

And thats fine - as long as they dont then proceed to doing something which will wreck their lives.

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RE: Shemales - 5/16/2008 4:53:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I am flaming his apparent objectification and fetishizing Bounty...
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Wait a minute.
People are no longer permitted to fetishize and objectify on a BDSM/fetish website?

I rarely say this, but

What the fuck?



Hi Heather

I will explain. Of course its perfectly OK to have fetishes and fantasies and so on - but this is a special situation I'm alluding to here; one in which the fetish is a person, and not even that - a person whose value resides solely in what they are; a thing that is desired only and exclusively on the grounds that she is regarded as a freak.

99% of guys who have approached me here, have done so because I am a freak. They are not interested in any way in who I am, what I'm like, what I would and wouldnt like - they just want me as a thing to satisfy their curiosity or sexual fantasy of the day.

What they entirely fail to understand is that despite our physical reality, we're not male. We dont think the way they do about casual sexual encounters. They just dont get us. All they see is the potential for sex which is a bit different, and thinking that we are guys, that we will see it in the same way they do.

Compare it with the many shoe fetish threads which appear over on the Mistress board. Ladies there have no problem with shoe fetishists - but only if it is the lady that is desired and her shoes are seen as part of her. There is antipathy where it becomes clear that it is the shoe itself which is the object of affection and desire, and the lady may as well be anyone.

It is not the fantasy which bother me. It is that we are by this sort of thread named as things, not people. And by this sort of fetish made into objects, not people.

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RE: Shemales - 5/16/2008 7:44:18 AM   
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Lady E , most female subs can relate to this on a certain level, we often recieve  emails from many males who look upon us as objects  because we denotes ourselves as sub /slave so they view us as freaks because of a label rather than a body part to be used as fuck holes and think we desire to be abused viewing us as things to be used wanting to fulfill their curiousity and fantasies , ,. 
The same goes with Dom/mes and male subs  who are viewed  as  objects to be used rather than as a person.  it is not limited to TS individuals only,  some individuals are secure enough  in themselves to use as a fetish for example the female sub that agrees to a rape or gangbang scene or to be objectified  while others view this as horribly offensive, when one becomes part of this lifestyle  you have to expect to be exposed to fantasies  that may conflict with your own views or that you may find personally offensive but it does not means it has to be offensive to everyone within the same group as yourself


and within each group their are those that have physical attributes that may be outside that norm or have poor view of their body image and their suicidal rates are higher as well than those than fit in that average categories.

Take your very last sentencs and replace the word "things" with the different BDSM labels such as adult baby,. sub. slave, Dom, Domme etc within in each many can express they have been made to feel like an object  rather than a person because of someone elses fetish,  we either have to develop a thick skin  or get the heck out if we can't deal with being objectified because it will happen it is not isolated to just certain groups of people within the LS... the lifestyle is about fantasies and fetishes and learning to tolerate those that have differences than our own. 






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