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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 8:51:23 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Hang on... they can remotely tap a cell phone and listen to its user even when the device is off?

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 9:00:12 AM   
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Hang on... they can remotely tap a cell phone and listen to its user even when the device is off?

Yeppers.  You have to pull the battery to prevent it.  I'm not sure if its all models or just certain ones.  The truth is, I didn't care enough to look it all up.  My phone is usually dead anyway.

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 9:02:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure quite what you're asking kit. Maybe about people who whine about national IDs and all that yet have Onstar in their car ? That's how I'm reading it at the moment. If I got it even half assed right I would say this. I'm surprised that you're surprised that people flip flop on a given issue at any given moment. Like they don't want to be tracked when they cheat on their spouse but want to be found if they get in a car wreck. Something like that ?

But back to the subject of the OP, this is not a feature, it is a requirement by the government. Ostensibly to aid in 911 calls and such, it has plenty more uses.

What's more some models are equipped with a little publicized "bug" mode. Without giving any alert to the user, the phone can be remotely put in the bug mode. There are a few people in prison right now because of this "feature".

Defendent : Bug ? bug how, we were out in a fucking cornfield for Chrissake !
Lawyer : Did you have a cellphone with you ?

Thus the cat is out of the bag.

So if you are doing something you shouldn't be doing, take the battery clean out of the phone. It may have a backup battery but it won't have the power to transmit at the time.

That does not mean that it does not have the power to recieve and record audio. That means it could go into bug mode and just send it later. With today's technology it could probably record an hour of audio with the main battery out, and then send compressed data in ten seconds as soon as you put the battery in. I mean before you can even dial a number and hit send, and they will be patiently waiting. Our ever diligent servants. Yup.

If it can recieve the command to go into bug mode on the backup battery it can also recieve GPS signals. It may not be able to transmit right away but it can keep the data and send it the same way, as soon as the battery is put back in.

I hope this isn't too scary for yall, but it is true, that it CAN. Does it ? I don't know, but I do know this. Cellphone companies had no interest in doing this, the government mandated it. Must be good then eh ? (muted snicker)

No cellphones for me until I get old. I don't want to be tracked like a pet who has been "chipped". I don't want to be chipped but I tell you this much, the way some people are glued to their cellphones it amounts to the same thing.

And with cellphones remember you are not playing with kids here. I can think and reason, but so can they. It is like a game. They can probably set the phone to bug anytime it is shut off. I went on some "runs" with a buddy who plays the game. He turned his cellphone off after calling his olady and telling her that he had to turn it off. Careful guy right ? Right now he is out on a million dollars bail.

The trick to it is not becoming a target. They can't watch everyone. I should call this guy and ask him why ? He owns a relatively succesful business and he didn't have to do anything else. Now he is looking at some serious consequences. Careful my ass.

There are people here other than me who know technology well enough to know that cellphones can indeed do eveything I said, and maybe a few other things.

And if you have ever been to a hospital and under anethesia, you can't know that you are not chipped.

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 9:19:38 AM   
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If you have a concern, use alternate forms of communication....land lines, "disposable" cell phones that don't carry your name....or don't do anything that would bring you to the attention of "those in power."  Some days it's good to be a small fish in a big pond.


I couldn't agree more, but my question wasn't based on my personal concerns...


Sorry for misunderstanding your question.
Preventing increased governmental intervention limits the ability to be intrusive.  What's already done, however, is done.  it is between difficult and impossible to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube.

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 9:43:22 AM   
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"Have her use your cell phone while you're,....."working" 200 miles away."

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 11:23:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've no reason to argue with anyone here.  Hence I do not.  Here is a "single" example.

Body of Local Hiker, Dean Christy, Found Associated Press

April 5, 2008, 7:54 AM PDT
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-missinghiker,0,6328077.story?track=rss

Members of the Rim of the World Search & Rescue Team discovered the body of an adult male today while conducting a weekly search of the remote mountain valley.

Coroner Investigators have identified the body as that of retired schoolteacher Dean Gordon Christy.

The North Hollywood man was last heard from on Jan. 4, when he used his cell phone to call 911 for help. 62-year-old told rescuers he had become disoriented in fog at an elevation of about 7,000 feet.

He gave a description of his location and stated that he was dressed for the weather but didn't have any food or water. He also told rescuers he didn't have any medical conditions and that he was not injured.

The active search for Christy was called off 10 days later, after rescuers found no evidence of the missing man.

However, Search & Rescue Team members never gave up. They have continued searching different areas in and around Green Valley Lake on the last five Friday's in hopes of eventually finding Christy.





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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 11:45:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		do they say what model of cell phone he had?
cause I know some of em dont have a gps feature (though by and large they have been phased out)


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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 11:48:30 AM   
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Yes and that warrant can be issued by a secret court on secret evidence by a secret judge...  Thank god for the Patriot Act.

Meanwhile tracking people via cell phone is nothing new. Remember the Nextel "Dont bother the dots , the dots are working" commercial.... Nextel Phones have GPS in them and I can log into a site and see exactly where it is at any time....  It was invaluable as a security measure for my ex-wifes kids, if they ever got snatched log into the net and poof theres the dot.... "Officer go get my dots..." Right now I use it to track flight students. If a student is supposed to make a solo cross country to say "Galveston" that cell phone I send with him better be showing up at Galveston Intl. airport ... If I see him sitting 5 minutes away at Baytown Municipal, (as I have done already with some little snots who thought they were smarter than me.) hes not getting his cross country sign off and hes gonna shit his pants when I drive over there and walk in...  

I dont understand the fucking privacy concerns people have. Jesus Christ, what are people hiding? If the cops / NSA / CIA / FBI / Delta Force / Black Helicopter people want to tap my cell phone god bless them... They will learn that I like "Shrimp Chowmein with extra duck sauce, the orange stuff in the packets not that red shit in the cups, and the shrimp roll instead of the egg roll. mix my soup 1/2 wonton half egg drop.." They will learn that the chick at the Walgreens Pharmacy is as fucking dumb as Miss Teen South Carolina. They will learn that I either try to have phone sex with telemarketers, or pretend to be retarded when they call and will probably piss their pants laughing. ("Im not a smart man but I know what alumininum siding is. Will you be my girlfriend? Hey Hey you you I dont like your boyfriend, hey hey you you I think you need a new one...") They will see exactly how many idiots I have to deal with every day and will discover that my friend Jen is a drama queen who should be medicated and who should get a better vibrator and swear off men forever. Oh yes I almost forgot - MAJOR national security issue here - NO avocado on my torta, everything else but no avocado and I want the MILD salsa not that spicy green stuff that makes my asshole bleed on the way out... I really pity the spy assigned to monitor my cell phone!


You don't understand the privacy concerns?  Well hell, China's a growing economy.  You can make a lot of money there real quick.  Of course you will have to subject yourself to near constant government surveillance, especially as a foreigner.  Then again, you have nothing to hide.  So if I can pull some strings with China Southern Airlines to get you a job you would be ready to hop on the next flight over, right?

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 12:33:04 PM   
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Fast reply - I don't get this: some people are suspicious of government intervention and fight it at any opportunity, but they don't seem to care a toss whether the government is able to know of all their private activities and exact whereabouts. Can someone explain this to me?


Yes, these people are called Republicans. 

You see, Republicans are told to believe, er, I'm sorry, believe that government should be as minimal as possible and have only limited powers.

A view I wholeheartedly agree with.  Except the Republicans believe that only when it involves wealthy corporate interests.  It's a laissez-faire attitude toward business interests but an insistence on government being involved in every aspect of the lives of it's citizens.

Hence, we have the Patriot Act, which may have had good intentions but those that opposed it feared it would be abused, as it has been.  It was designed for terrorist surveillance but has been largely used in cases that have nothing to do with terrorism.  Then the other stalwarts of the Republican platform:  banning abortion, banning stem cell research, banning gay marriage.  Not to mention the draconian drug laws that have the US with the highest concentration of prisoners in the world per capita. 

I could list more examples but I think you get the drift.  This is the party that says it endorses limited government?
Trust me, I don't get it either. 


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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 12:40:51 PM   
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Fast reply - I don't get this: some people are suspicious of government intervention and fight it at any opportunity, but they don't seem to care a toss whether the government is able to know of all their private activities and exact whereabouts. Can someone explain this to me?


Yes, these people are called Republicans. 


Or, maybe, they are just people who have nothing to hide.  Do I like the fact that my cell phone is also a bug?  Nope.  Does that negate the fact that I need it for business and emergency reasons? Nope. 
Does that make me a Republican? Not according to my voter registration card.

I say let the fuckers follow me around.  They'll see me riding my horse, training other horses, riding other people's horses, building fences for horses.  Eventually they'll get frakkin bored or they'll come get some riding lessons. 

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 12:54:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Freedom from interference is an important freedom. Court orders much be sought before technology is used in such a way, people in authority found guilty should face prison time if they don't use the correct procedure. These people in authority will be monitored in terms of the phone calls they make and the places they travel to ascertain if they are breaking the rules. Court orders much be sought before technology is used in such a way, people in authority of people in authority found guilty should face prison time if they don't use the correct procedure. These people in authority of people in authority will be monitored in terms of the phone calls they make and the places they travel to ascertain if they are breaking the rules. etc. etc.

Mobiles phones can be tapped even if not active, that is feasible if you have one of those new ones that can be manipulated remotely via (remote assistance) in effect. I assume they send the phone a signal to turn it into a bug or wake it from a sleep much the same way a computer can be woken remotely. Therefore when I turn my phone off I wrap it in Clingfilm i.e. sound cannot travel in a vacuum but the Clingfilm also has to be thick enough to damp vibrations.

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 12:58:23 PM   
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Fast reply - I don't get this: some people are suspicious of government intervention and fight it at any opportunity, but they don't seem to care a toss whether the government is able to know of all their private activities and exact whereabouts. Can someone explain this to me?


Yes, these people are called Republicans. 


Or, maybe, they are just people who have nothing to hide.  Do I like the fact that my cell phone is also a bug?  Nope.  Does that negate the fact that I need it for business and emergency reasons? Nope. 
Does that make me a Republican? Not according to my voter registration card.

I say let the fuckers follow me around.  They'll see me riding my horse, training other horses, riding other people's horses, building fences for horses.  Eventually they'll get frakkin bored or they'll come get some riding lessons. 


Yes, but don't you see that was the same argument used by every repressive regime from Hitler's Germany to Saddam.  "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear".  This country is supposed to be different.  Innocent until proven guilty.  The government doesn't have the right to monitor it's citizens to ensure a crime is not being committed without "probable cause".  You shouldn't have to prove that you have nothing to hide until there is a reasonable level of evidence to charge you with a crime.  


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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:00:04 PM   
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being able to track a cell phone let the detectives know the general area to look for the 2 thugs that murdered my aunt.  that in its self is enough for me to say its a good thing.

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:04:10 PM   
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You mean the police had the thugs phone details so was able to track them but they didn't know who they were or where they usually hang out?

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:06:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK I'm all on board about it being a bit scarey that cellphones can be tracked to this degree. I am however not just figuring it out known it for years and pretty much have gotten used to it.

One part of the story that gets skipped right over though to get to all the conspircy.
"physicists at Northeastern Univ.conducted" So we have a researcher studying cell phone useage.
Not a Government FBI Agent, Not a CIA operative, Not an agent of the government any more than any other college affiliated resarcher is one.
Anything that uses the airwaves can be tracked. it's been able to be done to one deegree or another since not very long after Marconi. If you are transmitting you can be tracked.


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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:08:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Puts those criminals that don't have phones at an advantage maybe we should rf chip everyone at birth?

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:09:41 PM   
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You don't understand the privacy concerns?  Well hell, China's a growing economy.  You can make a lot of money there real quick.  Of course you will have to subject yourself to near constant government surveillance, especially as a foreigner.  Then again, you have nothing to hide.  So if I can pull some strings with China Southern Airlines to get you a job you would be ready to hop on the next flight over, right?


No thank you - Im not looking for an airline job. I make more as a contractor and dont have my life run by the senority list.  However, if you can hook me up with a lucrative enough training contract / crew lease agreement with China Southern Airlines Ill not only take it but Ill pay you a healthy finders fee... While Im over there, they can spy on me all they want because - just like here, when I am abroad, I dont do anything that I have to hide. If Chineese spies want to listen to me telling someone I want the duck sauce in the packets not the red shit in the cups then more power to them. Fuck, they can bring me my Number 11 Combo (Shrimp Chow Mein, Soup, Eggroll) PERSONALLY. Its actually in their best interest to do so cause I tip well... They would probably make more bringing me lunch than they do with Chinese Intel.

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:10:18 PM   
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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:11:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rule, I agree with your last statement.  We shouldn't have to worry about being monitored.  But, as Fullcircle mentioned, if they get a warrant they can do it.  If they are caught doing so without a warrant they should be prosecuted.   Seeks, I am glad that they were able to catch the guys who killed your aunt using this technology.  It shows the good and bad side of this advance.

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RE: Big Brother Tracks P/pl's Location by Cell Phone Use - 6/5/2008 1:13:16 PM   
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