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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
It's not an argument based on the Bible or Christian values, but rather American values.
Ironically, American values are somewhat synonymous with Christian values, but that's not the point.
They feel that marriage is an American institution and a part of the "traditional values" that this country was founded on and are part of American culture.
I didn't say I respect the argument or the viewpoints, but respect the fact they are doing what they think is right. Which war in history had a side that declared themselves to be the "wrong" ones or the "evil" ones or did both sides think themselves to be "righteous"?
But then again...I have this annoying knack for seeing both sides of an argument most of the time.
Edited to Add : To answer the question of why the fuck this is an issue, beleive it or not, a lot of people don't share the vision of male-male and female-female couples walking down the streets, holding hands, and kissing in public.
Just thought I would throw in something a little different amongst the dog pile this time.
There's no such thing as 'American values'. W/we are a diverse culture and values vary widely. It is also illogical to posit that if they existed,'American values' are based on 'Christian values'; whatever that means.
The Founding Fathers were very concerned about the abuses they had seen in Europe when the power of the church was combined with the power of the state. That's why there's a specific clause in the Constitution prohibiting this.
'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.'
BTW, i think W/we should stop coddling homophobes -- just like i think W/we should stop coddling any other 'ultra-sensitive' P/person. It's past time such P/pl acquired some manners.
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So then, you mean we should stop coddling those women who get offended when they are called "sweetie", as some people see these women as being hyper-sensitive?
You mean that we should stop coddling those people who have relegated smokers to a point 15 feet (or more, depending on the establishment) away from an establishment...not just public (paid for by the taxpayers so they should have a say) but private establishments, paid for by the individual...because a lot of people, non-smokers like me included, feel that they are pushing their sensitivies off on the rest of us? Are we wrong to feel that with most cities containing more than one restaurant, you are bound to be able to find one in which the owner does not allow smoking and that, just as you would not want the government interfering in YOUR business enterprise, some of us feel that the government should not be interfering in these business enterprises just to coddle some hyper-sensitive people?
This list can go on and on. Homophobe is a word brought out to disparage anyone who does not agree with gay marriage. Disagreement with an issue on moral grounds does not make one afraid of an issue, as the term homophobe implies. Like rabbit, I count several gay people as my friends and am glad to have them. Personally, I believe that if they want to get married, then they should have that right but in all honesty, I have the sneaking suspicion that turning around and calling those who disagree on moral grounds homophobic is not going to dissuade them that they are wrong. Which leads to the final question: who's to say they are wrong? You? or anyone else? Well, as a matter of fact, yes. You have the right to believe someone else is wrong but then remember, they have just as much right to think you are wrong. Might also be a good thing to keep in mind next time you want to come down on somebody who is willing to stand up and say some kinky behavior or belief is wrong. Most of those who disagree with gay marriage don't think that you next want to allow men and underage girls or women and their yard gnomes to get married or that you are a moron for believing what you do...stop being narrow-minded and thinking they are morons because they disagree.
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The irony of the intolerant playing the victim card at the same time they are playing the 'blame the victim' card. 
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