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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:02:53 PM   
celticlord2112


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there many ways to end a relationship

In the abstract, yes.  Are all ways available in all relationships at all times? No.  Flaw #1.

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cheating is one of them
she credits cheating as her ONLY way out

Her only way out of her relationship.  You know nothing of the relationship, or the parties involved.  Flaw #2.

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so when she states it was my only way out i know she is lying and making excuses for herself.

This is a judgement rendered upon facts clearly not in your possession.  Judgement without foundation.  Flaw #3.



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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:05:42 PM   
backseatbebe


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Status: offline 		im just curious why im required to know such standings and competency
but yet the person effected by her actions (aka the one who is cheated on) doesnt deserve such explanations at the time of cheating?

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Even though you lack the competency or the standing to render such a judgement?

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ORIGINAL: backseatbebe

if hurting someone is the way a person chooses to get ahead in life, then yes i will judge them based on those actions

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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but do you really think cheating was necessary
couldn't you have just ended the realtionship and met a man that showed you how you could live life?
cause as i see it, it was you ending the abusive relationship that brought you where in life, not the cheating

And would she have found the strength to end the relationship were it not for the other man?

Real life tends to be about making the best bad decision possible.  If she obtained the consequences she desired for her life, who here is competent to pass judgement on that?





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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:10:00 PM   
celticlord2112


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im just curious why im required to know such standings and competency

Because you are the one who is eager to judge.  Arrogate to yourself the right to judge, and you arrogate to yourself the responsibility to judge wisely and well.


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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:11:41 PM   
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ok here is my foundation
there many ways to end a relationship
cheating is one of them
she credits cheating as her ONLY way out
the only flaw in any fondation is hers not recongizing that there are more ways to end a relationship
where i on the other hand know of other ways to end a relationship other than cheating, so when she states it was my only way out i know she is lying and making excuses for herself....kind of funny how cheating and lying go hand in hand



have you ever been beat up, used up, told you are worthless, rendered useless and unable, have  been entirely sure that you are nothing, will never be anything, and no one else will have your sorry ass so you better be thankful that someone wants you for a cum dumpster cause gods you're a lousy fuck?

been told daily that he doesnt know why he puts up with the fucking lousy job you do as a wife/mother/housekeeper/paycheck so he can sit around and do nothing?  driven you to absolutely nothing and a suicide attempt (this last may 25th was 17 years ago) because you literally cannot see a way out of this?
and then find someone who DOES see you as a valuable person, someone who is whole and good and lust-and-love worthy....

that isnt a marriage any longer.  until you've lived in that barren land, you cant really understand it.

i have.  if i hadnt been scared to death that he would beat me again, i would have cheated on him before the suicide attempt.  i didnt physically cheat on him ever.  but i did emotionally, i let someone else love me and hold me (semi-platonically) and kiss me once, because i needed to know that he was filling my ears with lies, and that i am a good decent person with much to offer another.

apparently i was the one who was right.

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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:14:33 PM   
backseatbebe


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Status: offline 		#1 bullshit
#2 funny the person cheated on (one of the parties involved) also wasnt aware of what was going on in their realtionship. so does that mean they shouldnt pass judgement either?
#3 read #2 as they too were not able to know the facts yet decisions were made that effected theri behalf, so i dont know why being in the know is soo important when she will do what she wants anyways!!!

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

ok here is my foundation
quote:

there many ways to end a relationship

In the abstract, yes.  Are all ways available in all relationships at all times? No.  Flaw #1.

quote:

cheating is one of them
she credits cheating as her ONLY way out

Her only way out of her relationship.  You know nothing of the relationship, or the parties involved.  Flaw #2.

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so when she states it was my only way out i know she is lying and making excuses for herself.

This is a judgement rendered upon facts clearly not in your possession.  Judgement without foundation.  Flaw #3.




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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:19:25 PM   
backseatbebe


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ORIGINAL: pixidustpet

have you ever been beat up, used up, told you are worthless, rendered useless and unable, have  been entirely sure that you are nothing, will never be anything, and no one else will have your sorry ass so you better be thankful that someone wants you for a cum dumpster cause gods you're a lousy fuck?

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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:22:25 PM   
celticlord2112


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#1 bullshit

Incorrect, but no matter. 

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#2 funny the person cheated on (one of the parties involved) also wasnt aware of what was going on in their realtionship. so does that mean they should pass judgement either?

A person in a relationship knows the state of that relationship by definition.  If the person is unaware of the "cheating", obviously they cannot pass judgement, for they do not know of the thing upon which you would have them judge.  If they do know of the cheating, that they are in the relationship naturally endows them with the requisite ancillary knowledge to make an informed, competent, reasoned judgement about the situation.

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#3 read #2 as they too were not able to know the facts yet decisions were made that effected theri behalf, so i dont know why being in the know is soo important when she will do what she wants anyways!!!

Your rhetoric is muddled here.  What are you arguing?



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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:23:56 PM   
celticlord2112


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sorry im not going to feel sorry for you when this actually sounds great to me!!!!

That is your choice, such as it is.  You have the right to make that choice.

Others have the right to disagree with your choice.


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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:26:47 PM   
backseatbebe


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Status: offline 		simple she is a lying cheater (which she admitted to)
no need for explanations or excuses
because no matter the explantions or excuses it is uncalled for

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Your rhetoric is muddled here.  What are you arguing?




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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:28:13 PM   
celticlord2112


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no need for explanations or excuses

Which begs the question of why you seem compelled to explain yourself, if you need neither explanation nor excuse.


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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:28:52 PM   
backseatbebe


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what makes your opinion right?!!?!?!

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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#1 bullshit

Incorrect, but no matter. 


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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:28:54 PM   
pixidustpet


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ORIGINAL: backseatbebe

sorry im not going to feel sorry for you when this actually sounds great to me!!!!

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ORIGINAL: pixidustpet

have you ever been beat up, used up, told you are worthless, rendered useless and unable, have  been entirely sure that you are nothing, will never be anything, and no one else will have your sorry ass so you better be thankful that someone wants you for a cum dumpster cause gods you're a lousy fuck?

kitten



it could be great....

if it was consentual.  if the person who told you this was doing it because it was a part of your kink...and not because he wanted to destroy you as a human being.  10 years of that, broken bones, playing on my abuse issues from my childhood...then driving another human to a suicide attempt isnt D/s, its abuse.  period.

kitten

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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:30:35 PM   
backseatbebe


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but cheating isnt the solution
getting out of the relationship is

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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:31:36 PM   
celticlord2112


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yes it matters
what makes your opinion right?!!?!?!

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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#1 bullshit

Incorrect, but no matter. 



That was not opnion, but a statement of fact.  Hence why the misstatement is deemed "incorrect".  Opinions, being subjective, cannot be "correct" or "incorrect", merely qualified in various forms ("valid", "reasoned", "informed", "sound", et cetera).

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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:32:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: backseatbebe

sorry im not going to feel sorry for you when this actually sounds great to me!!!!

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ORIGINAL: pixidustpet

have you ever been beat up, used up, told you are worthless, rendered useless and unable, have  been entirely sure that you are nothing, will never be anything, and no one else will have your sorry ass so you better be thankful that someone wants you for a cum dumpster cause gods you're a lousy fuck?

kitten



better be careful what you wish for, cupcake.

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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:33:22 PM   
celticlord2112


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better be careful what you wish for, cupcake.

Temporary hijack to lighten the mood --

Can I wish for cupcakes?


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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:33:33 PM   
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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:35:07 PM   
celticlord2112


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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:35:48 PM   
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RE: Am I the only person here who has been a "chea... - 6/12/2008 4:36:50 PM   
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