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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/7/2008 7:42:54 AM

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a thick strap, handcuffed to the collar behind my neck, a blindfold, and a woman that understands both the curve of pain (the way it works) and the message...the wordless love letter i am writing as i kneel...

as i am not in love with the pain but rather with the song my submission sings to her ...i'll work through the pain and war with myself to not whimper and interrupt or squirm and foul a note...and reach that space and hear again the song of the strap

in sub space, if the conditions are perfect and she is not just hitting...when she is speaking to me in only the language of leather...well - think i can take almost anything...the love song the strap plays for us is the most beautiful ever played...my sweating back a living instrument as is the hissing and invisible belt that she, the conductor, plays slowly - an arrhythmic original answering only to the curve of my pain...i hear it in the darkness behind the blindfold so wickedly invisible - yet feel it in a deep spot somewhere near my center, some still water reserve near the core

that song can float two above the scrum and suspend them both - until time and tide pull the wanderers gently back down to earth...barefooted now and unashamed

bluesky,

That was a very apt description of subspace from your perspective. I imagine she understands you well.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/7/2008 8:05:39 AM

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There are two distinct places that I go.

The first comes from extended physical play. I get a growing sense of euphoria. The boundaries of my body become indistinct to me. Pain, even severe pain, becomes intensely pleasurable. I may burst into laughter (which has surprised people on occasion). I may just fly, forgetting everything but the sensations. I can't maintain this indefinitely, even if the beating continues. It feels like maybe 20 minutes max, but my time sense is probably very poor at such times.

But that isn't subspace ... it's an endorphin high. Subspace is very different.

In subspace my focus is very much on my partner instead of on my own sensations. It is a response to dominance rather than to physical sensations. Pain play can be part of how that dominance is expressed, but it can happen just as easily without pain. When it is deep, I become non verbal. I can think complete sentences, but I can't get them to my mouth. Obedience happens effortlessly in response to clear direction, but I become unable to make choices so I can't respond to ambiguous direction. It is an intensely peaceful place, in contrast to an endorphin high which is ecstatic. It doesn't seem to have short timespan of an endorphin high.

I've noticed that being made to do things which are difficult in a normal frame of mind can push me into subspace, and being made to do things which are difficult in subspace, like talking for example, will bring me out of it.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/7/2008 6:17:10 PM

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But that isn't subspace ... it's an endorphin high. Subspace is very different.

mettadas,

i understand the distinction that you draw but it does run contrary to the norm. Thanks for your input.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/7/2008 7:22:03 PM

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And the norm would be....what?

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/7/2008 7:40:11 PM

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I've never come close.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 6:21:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
i understand the distinction that you draw but it does run contrary to the norm. Thanks for your input.

This opinion may not endear me to the masses, but I think the norm is to label whatever altered stat one first encounters subspace. As often as not, that will be an endorphin high.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 6:30:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: mzbehavin

Triggers-
1. Bondage
2. Perception control (What can i hear? see? Smell? Or not.)
3. Pain thresholds being pushed and alternated with
5. Intense pleasure and/or teasing
4. Planets align, no interruptions

Worth noting* An intense and watchful Dom who's presence allows freedom to slip away without fear, while maintaining contact and control with the sub.
Coming back from sub-space is the only time i really 'need' aftercare. The warm blankets, strong arms, soothing voice. (for me the heats turned up prior to beginning)
If that doesn't happen i kind of stumble around like an idiot for a couple of hours and feel emotional.
Bathing helps to re ground.

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

If you care to share for those of you that have done so, is there any action; mental or physical that allows you to enter the special place.

CP

I have never experienced this, as I'm still learning about this lifestyle, but if/when I start to live the lifestyle this is what I envision subspace to be like for me. Your description is exactly what I would hope subspace to be like and how I would want my dom to be.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 9:28:10 AM

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Great job on describing *mental*.....submission...

Not all are able to attain...*it*...

People in all walks of life are able to attain the *physical*...they just are unaware of there being a name for it...

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 9:41:09 AM

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i've never experienced subspace or anything close to it to my knowledge. actually it's a concept i have yet to understand, except that perhaps it simply has to do with a pain or sensation induced endorphin rush. i'm not a pain slut by any means, so this could be one reason why it's still a foreign concept to me. regardless, from the descriptins i've read about it from others, it's not a state that would be considered desireable in our particular dynamic. a slave's pleasure or a "high" feeling is not something my Master would ever wish to intentionally cause, as it's important that my focus remain solidly on service and pleasing whomever is making use of me. selfish thoughts and reactions are strictly forbidden around here.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 10:42:50 AM

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And the norm would be....what?

TC,

Well I suppose that i could consolidate all the replies for you, but then your getting my view, why not review all the rplies and determine for yourself what the "norm" is.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 10:44:50 AM

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I've never come close.

timbers,

might be time for a fresh "D".

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 10:46:32 AM

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This opinion may not endear me to the masses, but I think the norm is to label whatever altered stat one first encounters subspace. As often as not, that will be an endorphin high.

met, I agree, but worry not about the masses!

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 10:48:02 AM

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For those who have not done so; have you ever come close?

Nope. Thank god for that.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 11:16:19 AM

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FR: I was all set to discuss subspace issues from a Dominant's perspective, but I actually read this thread and I'm confused. The thread doesn't seem to be about "subspace" at all. It appears to be (1) a "nyah nyah nyah" thread where some submissives who find subspace quickly and/or easily can snark at other submissives who don't find it, (2) a thread where people who have no idea what a given feeling/emotion/state is can tell others exactly what it is and is not (and at the same time claim they know the "norm" of something that simply is not normative and (3) foremost, a thread where CP can up his post count by inanely commenting on every other post. I didn't realize that originating a discussion required one to add his thoughts to ever line written. I guess I'll wait for the next, authentic discussion of subspace to learn more.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/8/2008 2:17:59 PM

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've never experienced subspace or anything close to it to my knowledge. actually it's a concept i have yet to understand, except that perhaps it simply has to do with a pain or sensation induced endorphin rush. i'm not a pain slut by any means, so this could be one reason why it's still a foreign concept to me. regardless, from the descriptins i've read about it from others, it's not a state that would be considered desireable in our particular dynamic. a slave's pleasure or a "high" feeling is not something my Master would ever wish to intentionally cause, as it's important that my focus remain solidly on service and pleasing whomever is making use of me. selfish thoughts and reactions are strictly forbidden around here.

-prop

prop, well I do not think that subspace requires pain, although most seem to reach it through that physical property. I have been told that the "swoon can occur with simple acts when the mindset is there.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/9/2008 6:04:44 AM

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Lots of factors determine whether I go into subspace. My mood, mental state and play being done all are determinants and it isn't the same formula every time. It can vary each time.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/9/2008 11:39:58 AM

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Nope. Thank god for that.

Mist,

there has to be a story behind that comment!

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/9/2008 11:42:54 AM

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Lots of factors determine whether I go into subspace. My mood, mental state and play being done all are determinants and it isn't the same formula every time. It can vary each time.

nurse,

but there is one constant is there not? A mindset that is receptive to it!

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/9/2008 12:04:58 PM

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Mist,

there has to be a story behind that comment!

CP

Look around. Do some reading. I am sure that you will figure it out fast enough.

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RE: Sub Space / ever been there? - 7/9/2008 12:09:27 PM

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For me.... it just takes the right chemistry. A commanding voice and an air of authority, lulling me into a place where I feel controlled and owned and powerless. Pretty soon, everything fades away but a need to please and obey. Thinking straight is a challenge, and the idea of disappointing makes me miserable.

Honestly, I'd rather not play with someone if they can't get me into that state.

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