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ORIGINAL: N4SDChastity

   The sour taste I mentioned, that which you seem to be in denial about, is, in fact, the REAL question you refuse to ask.  The one TRULY stuck in your craw.  ASK IT, already, so we can be done with this nonsense.  ASK!!!

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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Just out of curiosity, were you asking the same questions when Dubya was spouting his born-again bullshit and claiming God wanted him to be President back in 2000?
I don't know about you, but that scared me more than this. Unfortunately, I was right.

By 2000, I already had the answers (two election campaigns for Governor of Texas) for Bush.  He was a born-again Christian fundamentalist then and he is one still.  He was hostile to gays and civil libertarians, with little use for concepts like mercy and forgiveness.  His only saving grace was that he was far more hostile to politicians wanting to raise taxes.

Did I ask the question of Bush?  Damn skippy.  Didn't like the answers when he was Governor of Texas.  Don't like the answers now.

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No, you didn't ask the question of Bush but I think it is relevant to the conversation. As far as "skippy" goes, we don't need to stoop to that level. But I can. Say the word and the game is on!

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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No, you didn't ask the question of Bush but I think it is relevant to the conversation. As far as "skippy" goes, we don't need to stoop to that level. But I can. Say the word and the game is on!

The question is relevant.  I quite agree.  I had already posed this question about Bush long before 2000.  Living in Texas and witnessing the theater known as state politics, I've seen lots of Bush stump speeches, in 1994 and again in 1998.  By 2000, the question had been asked and answered where Bush was concerned.

I'm not quite sure what your problem is with "damn skippy".  It was and is the answer I give to your question.

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Wasn't familiar with the term. Up here them's fighting words pardner. So I guess I took it the wrong way.

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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Wasn't familiar with the term. Up here them's fighting words pardner. So I guess I took it the wrong way.

No worries.  On GWB, you and I pretty much agree.  I don't talk about him much in these threads because he's basically old news anyway.  6 months and a wake up (give or take) and he's history.  I'm far more concerned about who comes next.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I'm not pretending anything.  I'm more than happy to see everyone do so.  They are not "slams" though.  They are legitimate questions of someone who is campaigning for the Presidency.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I'm not pretending anything.  I'm more than happy to see everyone do so.  They are not "slams" though.  They are legitimate questions of someone who is campaigning for the Presidency.

And what is legitimate about questions that are either 1> faked, 2> spun, or 3> part of an intolerant agenda, such as the OP's?

1>  Is it legitimate to ask McCain why he killed and ate all those babies?  

2>  Would it have been legitimate to ask Hillary how she could attend a church for years with a crazy looking pastor who says that God wants  'no more Jews', and admitted to violating the tenets of their church? 

3>  Would it have been legitimate to ask Kerry if he had any half Vietnamese children?


If so, please link to where people are on record as asking those 'legitimate questions' when the candidate wasn't black.

If not, what exactly do you use to define legitimate? 

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Because you know as well as I do that those 'outrageous statements' are just as faked, spun, or  part of a racist agenda as the 3 'examples' I created....

So stop evading and answer the question... what is legitimate about criticizing black people who are calling for a stronger sense of community, and a desire for a better education, as the OP has done in his screed against black liberation theology?

What is legitimate about claiming Wright was odious for reminding us that the government deliberately infected black people in the Tuskegee experiment?

What is legitimate about invoking racist stereotypes about 'disturbing' black people who want to be equal, or apocryphal playings of the race card, or mentioning 'the order of things'. etc?

Don't waste our time with the ad hom debate tricks, just answer the questions. 

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I don't know how you think Wright's statements are fake or spun.  I watched the man on TV make those statements. 

The level of political correctness has just become ridiculous.  Obama is bi-racial, so that means any criticism of him is racist?  Again, as I've said before, I have the same concerns about McCain's recent cozying up to the religious right. 

What scares me most about this is how you seem to be part of this hero worship thing with Obama where he seemingly can do no wrong and anything said against him is racist.  I seem to remember a similar thing after 9/11 where any criticism of Bush equated to lack of patriotism at best, and being a terrorist sympathizer at worst.

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

yes, it might "sound" racist to your ears however it's not to mine.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I don't know how you think Wright's statements are fake or spun.  I watched the man on TV make those statements. 

The level of political correctness has just become ridiculous.  Obama is bi-racial, so that means any criticism of him is racist?  Again, as I've said before, I have the same concerns about McCain's recent cozying up to the religious right. 

What scares me most about this is how you seem to be part of this hero worship thing with Obama where he seemingly can do no wrong and anything said against him is racist.  I seem to remember a similar thing after 9/11 where any criticism of Bush equated to lack of patriotism at best, and being a terrorist sympathizer at worst.

So you watched Wright on TV make the Tuskegee statement? And what exactly was so odious about that? Are you claiming like the OP, that the deliberate infection of black people by the government never happened? Is that not 'spin' to you? Is that 'legitimate' to you?

Or are you claiming that you watched Wright on TV originate the 'chickens come home to roost' statement right after 9/11, and you just didn't notice that he had somehow turned from a white ambassador into a black preacher?  Nothing fake about that to you there either? 

And do you really think that it isn't racist to label black people who want peaceful methods of achieving equality as 'disturbing', while dragging out the specter of them upsetting 'the order of things'?

And your ad hom debate trick in the last paragraph is exactly the sort of thing I expected you to do to continue dodging the questions you can't answer. 

How exactly again is pointing out proven lies 'worshipping' Obama?
Riiiiiight.

You might want to get a grasp of the concept of reverence for facts.