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The 'natural order of things'? 

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But, who are you to say what the order of things should be ?

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I am asking for explanation.  I am, in fact, demanding it.

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There is no "should be".  The order of things merely is.

Such is the order of things.

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The 'natural order of things'? 

Did not realize you were Gorean.  How is that relevant here?

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Beyond Jeremiah Wright's odious polemics, Barack Obama's 20-year affiliation with Trinity United Church of Christ raises several disturbing questions about his political philosophy and beliefs.

Members of Trinity Church are taught and expected to embrace something known as the "Black Value System". On its surface, this doctrine expresses a number of positive values: Commitment to God, Community, Family, Work Ethic, et cetera. However, what is disturbing is the number of times the word "Black" appears -- 29 times to be precise.

The problem? If one does a textual replacement of "Black" with "White", this is what you get:
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These W reads like the second coming of the KKK?

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Oh, and would you be so generous with a Republican candidate, under the same circumstances? "Oh, yeah, well, he belonged to a White Power organization for twenty years, and gave them huge donations. Talked glowingly about it in his books, too. Doesn't mean he agreed with or supported them though!"


I am that generous.  McCain called Falwell and Robertson and the rest of the radical right-wing Christians "agents of intolerance" until he needed their help to get elected.  His commencement speech at the university Falwell founded, after blasting him in the media and trying to disassociate himself with evangelicals was not political expediency?  Give me a break!!!!!!!!

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Of course, the OP is pretending that the relevant substitution should be 'white' for 'black' in his attack on black liberation theology.
It is about liberation through theology...are there that many white people who need to catch up after centuries of being held in de facto and de jure slavery by minorities in the US?

Of course,  you're wrong...yet again.

There are many criticisms to be leveled against the various flavors of liberation theology--and none of them are relevant here.  Frankly, I don't give a damn if this is how Trinity chooses to spread the Good Word. 

I do give a damn when a person steeped in that theology and attendant value system aspires to high national office.  Then I want to know how (or if) that theology will be applied in the execution of his duties.  Trinity's theology only becomes relevant because Obama has absorbed it for 20 years, and by his own words credits the church as a major influence in his life--I desire to know the manner and mode of that influence.

Not only is it a fair question to ask, it a necessary question to ask, and it should be necessary for Obama to give answer.

It is most assuredly the order of things.

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Of course, the OP is pretending that the relevant substitution should be 'white' for 'black' in his attack on black liberation theology.
It is about liberation through theology...are there that many white people who need to catch up after centuries of being held in de facto and de jure slavery by minorities in the US?

Of course,  you're wrong...yet again.

There are many criticisms to be leveled against the various flavors of liberation theology--and none of them are relevant here.  Frankly, I don't give a damn if this is how Trinity chooses to spread the Good Word. 

I do give a damn when a person steeped in that theology and attendant value system aspires to high national office.  Then I want to know how (or if) that theology will be applied in the execution of his duties.  Trinity's theology only becomes relevant because Obama has absorbed it for 20 years, and by his own words credits the church as a major influence in his life--I desire to know the manner and mode of that influence.

Not only is it a fair question to ask, it a necessary question to ask, and it should be necessary for Obama to give answer.

It is most assuredly the order of things.

Just out of curiosity, were you asking the same questions when Dubya was spouting his born-again bullshit and claiming God wanted him to be President back in 2000?
I don't know about you, but that scared me more than this.  Unfortunately, I was right. 

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Of course, the OP is pretending that the relevant substitution should be 'white' for 'black' in his attack on black liberation theology.
It is about liberation through theology...are there that many white people who need to catch up after centuries of being held in de facto and de jure slavery by minorities in the US?

Of course,  you're wrong...yet again.

There are many criticisms to be leveled against the various flavors of liberation theology--and none of them are relevant here.  Frankly, I don't give a damn if this is how Trinity chooses to spread the Good Word. 

I do give a damn when a person steeped in that theology and attendant value system aspires to high national office.  Then I want to know how (or if) that theology will be applied in the execution of his duties.  Trinity's theology only becomes relevant because Obama has absorbed it for 20 years, and by his own words credits the church as a major influence in his life--I desire to know the manner and mode of that influence.

Not only is it a fair question to ask, it a necessary question to ask, and it should be necessary for Obama to give answer.

It is most assuredly the order of things.

Just out of curiosity, were you asking the same questions when Dubya was spouting his born-again bullshit and claiming God wanted him to be President back in 2000?
I don't know about you, but that scared me more than this.  Unfortunately, I was right. 

Having encountered his cultural "type" before, prevaricators, one and all, I can honestly say, they tend towards one-way views of the world at large.  A mirror that only looks outward.  To see themselves would belie the truth they are remain forever in denial about.

The question remains unasked.  It chokes their kind, and so they cast indefensible aspersions and call it legitimate questioning.

ASK the question, or STFU!

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Just out of curiosity, were you asking the same questions when Dubya was spouting his born-again bullshit and claiming God wanted him to be President back in 2000?
I don't know about you, but that scared me more than this. Unfortunately, I was right.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Except that there is no legitimacy to pretending that black people who want to develop the same sense of community and self worth, and the same standard of education and success in life, and so forth, as has the majority, are being crazy racists.


The slams against Trinity, Wright, Obama,  and black liberation theology have beeen repeatedly debunked, yet they continue to be blithely repeated here and elsewhere as though they were facts... but the big lie technique, effective as it may be, isn't the same as the truth.